Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[Philly85*]

Man, Nashville and San Jose are both so good. We have a long way to go to be as good as them and they're both in the second tier of teams in the league. Their power plays and pace are just so damn quick.

They are loaded with veteran players who have all had success T the pro level or internationally one way or the other. Big bodies, mix of skill and depth, superior D corps. The Oilers need good veteran players badly, both up front and on D. And they have to start drafting better. It's not even an question, option, whatever. They have to get better internally too, the biggest part of getting over the hump will have to come from within. It's scary how much work they have to do on their blueline, and that they still haven't been able to find top pairing stud.

 

[ivanthebad*]

They are loaded with veteran players who have all had success T the pro level or internationally one way or the other. Big bodies, mix of skill and depth, superior D corps. The Oilers need good veteran players badly, both up front and on D. And they have to start drafting better. It's not even an question, option, whatever. They have to get better internally too, the biggest part of getting over the hump will have to come from within. It's scary how much work they have to do on their blueline, and that they still haven't been able to find top pairing stud.

Truer words have never been spoken. But it ain't all that bad I believe. We got Sekera already. His experience and calmness on the blueline has been exceptional but unfortunately drastically masked by a string of injuries and AHL call ups. He's extremely undervalued imo. A minute eater like Hamonic who actually has tons of NHL minutes will do wonders for that blueline.

It's the character and experience in the top 6 that is more of a glaring concern at this point.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I'm somewhat optimistic about the state of the development system. A system that was a decade in the making and is often cited as a major source of our teams woes.

This year we had 3 AHL guys seemingly stick. When was the last time that happened?

They weren't just 4th liners either.

They still have more to go to prove they're not just "one and done" players but that is a good sign.

They improved a lot since Chia got here in almost every respect. Draft was great. Trades were shrewd. Goal differential greatly improved.

If they get some better luck and continue on this path then things are looking good.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Everything should be clearer tomorrow after the draft order shakes out. I REALLY hope that we can land Laine and then trade away some of our existing forwards for defensive help.

 

[Jet Walters]

Everything should be clearer tomorrow after the draft order shakes out. I REALLY hope that we can land Laine and then trade away some of our existing forwards for defensive help.

My trade proposals hang in the balance. Contingency plans are set.

All I want is to stay in the top 4. If they don't trade the pick, Laine or Dubois would be great fits here.

 

[Birdperson]

As much as I like Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi, they're not McDavid and counting on them to replace Eberle/RNH/Hall seems like a bad plan, and a very Oilers plan.

 

[Biltmore]

As much as I like Matthews/Laine/Puljujarvi, they're not McDavid and counting on them to replace Eberle/RNH/Hall seems like a bad plan, and a very Oilers plan.

For the first year or so it hurts the team a bit, but later on we have a better player. And one less player we risk losing for nothing in the expansion draft.

 

[McWeber]

So I know it is an extreme long shot but what about trading Ebs and replacing him with Radulov? Maybe see if he can't help Yak turn things around?

 

[McMozesmadness]

I'm fine picking 1-5. I'm fine trading 1-5.

With that said here's how I break it down:

1- Trade down to 2 or go big and trade for cornerstone D.
2- Draft Laine.
3- Trade for roster help.
4- Draft Dubois.
5- Draft Dubois if he's gone deal for immediate help.

 

[ivanthebad*]

So I know it is an extreme long shot but what about trading Ebs and replacing him with Radulov? Maybe see if he can't help Yak turn things around?

Radulov is Yak 1.0. Selfish and 1 dimensional. We need leaders. Not celly hogs. The only thing Yak will learn from Radulov is how to skate even further down the ice on a celly. If we want that we bring in Christiano Rinaldo

 

[McPuritania]

Radulov is Yak 1.0. Selfish and 1 dimensional. We need leaders. Not celly hogs. The only thing Yak will learn from Radulov is how to skate even further down the ice on a celly. If we want that we bring in Christiano Rinaldo

Are you saying Yak is selfish? He's a lot of things, but selfish ain't one of 'em.

 

[McWeber]

Are you saying Yak is selfish? He's a lot of things, but selfish ain't one of 'em.

well his agent did ask for a trade....and there was all those times he shot instead of passing to Letestu.

 

[McPuritania]

well his agent did ask for a trade....and there was all those times he shot instead of passing to Letestu.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Are you saying Yak is selfish? He's a lot of things, but selfish ain't one of 'em.

Not entirely. But he sure did give up on alot of forechecks and when he lost the puck in the ozone, he immediately skated with his head down despite the play around him. But the notion that Yak has this exceptional work ethic is bs. He cheats on the forecheck 95% of the time and on break outs he circles back to allow his teammates to rush while he avoids the puck to gain speed to hopefully get a pass while in flight. He's definitely not a player who is determined to put in work in the tough areas. That's what his teammates are for.

If there was only a you tube vid showing how Yak deflated in the ozone after lost possession or his commitment in the neutral zone to follow a player despite a few extra strides, it would say volumes.

 

[ivanthebad*]

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Yakupov's game plan

 

[Zaddy]

I'm fine picking 1-5. I'm fine trading 1-5.

With that said here's how I break it down:

1- Trade down to 2 or go big and trade for cornerstone D.
2- Draft Laine.
3- Trade for roster help.
4- Draft Dubois.
5- Draft Dubois if he's gone deal for immediate help.

That's pretty much exactly where my mind is at as well. I just wanna know where the pick lands. 15 hours to go, argh

 

[jukon]

Admittedly I don't watch other teams very often. Assuming we could put a package together to get any young(ish) RH defenceman and the other team would be willing. Who would your top choices? How do players like Subban, Pietrangelo, Braun, Burns, Barrie, Vatanen rank? Are there others on your wishlist?

 

[ponokanocker]

For the first year or so it hurts the team a bit, but later on we have a better player. And one less player we risk losing for nothing in the expansion draft.

Unless they're another Yakupov and then we will never have that caliber of player again. Draft picks bust all the time. Also, it may take more than a year for some to develop.

I don't have an issue of trading Eberle/RNH/Hall but management better be bringing in a vet top 6 to replace them for next season, not another teenager. As scary as it is, those 3 are some of our more veteran forwards.

 

[McShogun99]

If we get 1st, 4th or 5th OA then I want the pick traded. If we draft 2nd or 3rd then I want to keep the pick. Then during the off season we trade Eberle, Yakupov and 1 of Nurse/Klefbom/Davidson for to top 4 RD.

 

[Homesick]

If we get 1st, 4th or 5th OA then I want the pick traded. If we draft 2nd or 3rd then I want to keep the pick. Then during the off season we trade Eberle, Yakupov and 1 of Nurse/Klefbom/Davidson for to top 4 RD.

My thoughts exactly. Forget the homerun trades though and target both Hamonic and Vatanen

 

[Aceboogie]

If we get 1st, 4th or 5th OA then I want the pick traded. If we draft 2nd or 3rd then I want to keep the pick. Then during the off season we trade Eberle, Yakupov and 1 of Nurse/Klefbom/Davidson for to top 4 RD.

When we have so many other pieces, all capable of landing a top 4 RD, which really isnt that hard to get if you pay a bit. Im in the boat of adding D, not trading 1 for another and winding up in same spot

If Chiarelli cant get two top 4 D either in trade or UFA with 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd, Eberle, Yak, Reinhart, Poliout, Jones, Bear, and ample cap space, he should be fired on the spot.

 

[Birdperson]

When we have so many other pieces, all capable of landing a top 4 RD, which really isnt that hard to get if you pay a bit. Im in the boat of adding D, not trading 1 for another and winding up in same spot

If Chiarelli cant get two top 4 D either in trade or UFA with 2016 2nd, 2017 2nd, Eberle, Yak, Reinhart, Poliout, Jones, Bear, and ample cap space, he should be fired on the spot.

Yupp, with trades/free agency he should be able to add 2 guys, if not its a pretty big failure.

Klefbom-X
Sekera-X
Davidson-Fayne
Rundblad
Oesterle

I know everyone hates Fayne but that should be a really effective third-pairing. Yeah, he makes 3.625 but its unlikely anyone takes his contract for anything other than another bad contract, and I'd rather have extra defense than a Bryan Bickell or Dennis Wideman.

 

[Aceboogie]

Yupp, with trades/free agency he should be able to add 2 guys, if not its a pretty big failure.

Klefbom-X
Sekera-X
Davidson-Fayne
Rundblad
Oesterle

I know everyone hates Fayne but that should be a really effective third-pairing. Yeah, he makes 3.625 but its unlikely anyone takes his contract for anything other than another bad contract, and I'd rather have extra defense than a Bryan Bickell or Dennis Wideman.

My expectations are for him to add a top pairing or #1D for not a sky high price (ie we win trade clearly), and also add a perfect fit top 4 RHD. Him simply getting two top 4 D for the above price is a massive fail, especially if he gives up a top 4 D to get another one

If Chiarelli wants to cement himself as a great GM, hes gotta show it. I think there is enough turmoil in the market to steal a big piece. Plus his past near misses are Hamilton and Jones (both for reasonable prices), and his acquisitions are Talbot and Maroon for nothing. He is going to swing for the better D and likely not selling the farm for them

And I agree on Fayne. He is overpaid and pretty limited. But last year he was playing some of the toughest minutes and coming out ahead possession wise. He is a guy people will disagree on because he doesnt lay big hits, fight, or have offensive flare. But if you are looking to put a D on the ice and get outshot less than you otherwsie would, hes your man. He is a perfect #6 D on this team and would be a great partner for either Davidson or Nurse

Although he could be gone this offseason if we can trade him for something of value. If we add 2 new D and add that to Sekera/Klefbom, thats 4 top 4D. There is then 2 spots open for Fayne/Davidson/Nurse/Reinhart. Now Ill bet Davidson has 5th spot locked up rather easily, so 1 spot for Nurse/reinhart/Fayne. Ill bet 1 of Nurse/Reinhart has a beastily offseason and comes in ready for 6th spot duties. Thats the nature with young D. While Fayne is a vet and a safe bet, hes also expensive. If you can deal him for value now, I think Chia will

 

[ivanthebad*]

Keep the core till next year when we make playoffs and they are worth more

Sign Demers
Trade Poo/Yak for Tanev
Draft Laine
Sign Helm

Hall-RNH-Drai
Maroon-McD-Ebs
Laine-Helm-Kassian
Paka-Letestu-Hendo

Klefbom-Demers
Sekera-Tanev
Davidson-Fayne

 

[herestohoping]

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Yakupov's game plan

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