Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[BoldNewLettuce]

Make them take Fayne too (Oilers could retain a mil per) and I would love that deal, or change Rychel to Foligno and add Fayne and Korpi.

Might as well keep Fayne.

Klefbom-Hamonic
Sekera-Savard
Nurse-Fayne/Davidson

 

[duul]

With us likely picking another high end forward in this draft, I think Chiarelli has the assets to even overpay for a defenceman better than a Hamonic/Vatanen etc. I think we will see him make a huge splash acquiring a Subban/Petro/OEL/Faulk and also one of Hamonic/Vatanen.

 

[joestevens29]

Would Chara be tho? I mean hes not exactly a good D anymore and Im guessing after next season hell be done. Wasting a spot on him is a major mistake

Staal is a better target because he can actually play. But he costs a lot of money and still only a #4 at best. Hes not anything special. If you get him for a pick sure maybe. Id aim bigger tho

How isn't he a good d-man? He's not what he was, but he was tied for 30th in points, played 24 minutes, was a +12. not what he was, but still a top pairing guy

 

[Spawn]

Would Chara be tho? I mean hes not exactly a good D anymore and Im guessing after next season hell be done. Wasting a spot on him is a major mistake

Staal is a better target because he can actually play. But he costs a lot of money and still only a #4 at best. Hes not anything special. If you get him for a pick sure maybe. Id aim bigger tho

The two bolded statements are pretty out of touch imo. Zdeno Chara is right now a better player than Marc Staal has been at any point in his career. And he's far better than Marc Staal is today.

Seriously, in what universe is Chara still not a top pairing defenseman?

24 minutes a night, 37 points +12, and played far and away the toughest minutes on the Bruins.

Chara, even at 39, would be the best Oiler d-man since Pronger. And it wouldn't even be all that close. He might not be the Norris winner he once was. But he's still a 24 minute a night every situation d-man that can shut down the best in the league.

 

[Sempiternal]

Anyone else annoyed at how undervalued RNH is on the HFBoards?

However, I do believe pro-scouts and hockey people in the NHL appropriately value him. I think a lot of fans on here are going to be surprised at the return RNH can get, if he is in fact traded.

 

[joestevens29]

With the expansion rules about NMCs, I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of players with NMC that teams might not want to protect get bought out this summer. Could flood the market and help us pick up some decent help for cheaper than normal.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/ntc-nmc/2016/caphit/all/defense/nmc

Anyone in here that people think could get bought out that could be a good pickup? Chara? M Staal? Wisniewski? Wideman?

There's only 3 or 4 that wouldn't be good pickups. The real issue is how much they'd cost. Most of those guys are better than guys on our current roster. Heck Pronger is probably more useful than guys we used, but it's all about the dollars.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Anyone else annoyed at how undervalued RNH is on the HFBoards?

However, I do believe pro-scouts and hockey people in the NHL appropriately value him. I think a lot of fans on here are going to be surprised at the return RNH can get, if he is in fact traded.

He goes down for almost he whole year, but he's treated like he was playing that whole time and not contributing it seems like, it's rather annoying, I agree.

 

[Spawn]

Might as well keep Fayne.

Klefbom-Hamonic
Sekera-Savard
Nurse-Fayne/Davidson

Unless the Oilers need the cap space, Fayne actually makes some sense to keep around as a guy to expose in the expansion draft. Teams need to expose a certain amount of their salary from the prior season. Fayne makes a decent amount and actually wouldn't have a horrible chance of being claimed as an experienced RHD stay at home vet.

 

[s7ark]

There's only 3 or 4 that wouldn't be good pickups. The real issue is how much they'd cost. Most of those guys are better than guys on our current roster. Heck Pronger is probably more useful than guys we used, but it's all about the dollars.

My thoughts(hopes) are that a flooded market, combined with the NMC players having income from their buyout, might mean some are willing to sign short term, low dollar, "show me" type deals.

 

[duul]

Anyone else annoyed at how undervalued RNH is on the HFBoards?

However, I do believe pro-scouts and hockey people in the NHL appropriately value him. I think a lot of fans on here are going to be surprised at the return RNH can get, if he is in fact traded.

How much value do you think he holds? Nashville preferred to take a big risk in Ryan Johansen with his apparent personality issues and lacklustre defensive game instead of RNH for Seth Jones.

 

[TheRebuild]

Sure doesn't seem to be a lot of solutions there.

Wild fans seem to think they'll buy out Vanek and everything will be fine...but you'd have to replace him if you buy him out (and only saves 5 million this season), and just tacks 2.5 mil onto your cap the year after. That doesn't solve any of the other problems moving forward.

In 2017/2018, they have 50 million in cap spread over 19 contracts!

God, seems like it was just yesterday everyone was pandering sickeningly over all the Stanley Cups they were going to win the likes of superstars like Vanek and Parise playing on the same frickin' line! All that talk about how Minnesota held a special place in Vanek's heart because he played hockey there for two years over 10 years ago, and how his time in Montreal wasn't "the real Vanek", that he'd be back to scoring 40 goals in no time.

Two years later.... Kill him, kill him with fire.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

How much value do you think he holds? Nashville preferred to take a big risk in Ryan Johansen with his apparent personality issues and lacklustre defensive game instead of RNH for Seth Jones.

Well that's quite the assumption on your part.

 

[joestevens29]

How much value do you think he holds? Nashville preferred to take a big risk in Ryan Johansen with his apparent personality issues and lacklustre defensive game instead of RNH for Seth Jones.

The fact that friedman and others have said we never even offered RNH I'd like to know why this is still being said on these boards.

My thoughts(hopes) are that a flooded market, combined with the NMC players having income from their buyout, might mean some are willing to sign short term, low dollar, "show me" type deals.

Oh for sure. We already see a lot of these "show me" deals anyway, now a few more hitting the market would be great for us.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

How much value do you think he holds? Nashville preferred to take a big risk in Ryan Johansen with his apparent personality issues and lacklustre defensive game instead of RNH for Seth Jones.

meh. personally I think RNH has been better than Johansen at every stage of their careers.

IMO if either player is the best player on your team then you'd have a better shot at winning with RNH.

I also think there was more to the Jones trade then what we know. I've read that Chiarelli wasn't willing to give up RNH. I've read that Chia would have needed Kamenev to even consider it. I also think Nashville would have sen value in trading Jones out of conference. I also don't know if Jones had that much value even for RYJO considering where he was playing on Nashville's depth chart.

Not that he isn't a great defense prospect but is he worth an established top 6 franchise forward? I know defenders take time to develop but that doesn't guarantee they'll get there.

 

[McPuritania]

With us likely picking another high end forward in this draft, I think Chiarelli has the assets to even overpay for a defenceman better than a Hamonic/Vatanen etc. I think we will see him make a huge splash acquiring a Subban/Petro/OEL/Faulk and also one of Hamonic/Vatanen.

That's the hope. Would be a dream off season to land not only one of the big fish, but a dang good secondary fish as well.

Anyone else annoyed at how undervalued RNH is on the HFBoards?

However, I do believe pro-scouts and hockey people in the NHL appropriately value him. I think a lot of fans on here are going to be surprised at the return RNH can get, if he is in fact traded.

And like every other undervalue player we trade away, fans who's team traded for him will bellyache about getting him until they watch him play for a few weeks. Then they'll mock us while pretending they weren't disgusted with acquiring the player in the first place. See Petry, Jeff.

 

[Aceboogie]

How much value do you think he holds? Nashville preferred to take a big risk in Ryan Johansen with his apparent personality issues and lacklustre defensive game instead of RNH for Seth Jones.

RyJo was insanly valued on HF and had great value to GMs. And it came down to a toss up. Plus RNH was more valueable to some actual NHL personnel should speak volumes. RNHs value is right at, or slightly above RyJo/Jones

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Already starting to see Anaheim shake things up. It'll be interesting to see what they do in the offseason.

 

[Aceboogie]

God, seems like it was just yesterday everyone was pandering sickeningly over all the Stanley Cups they were going to win the likes of superstars like Vanek and Parise playing on the same frickin' line! All that talk about how Minnesota held a special place in Vanek's heart because he played hockey there for two years over 10 years ago, and how his time in Montreal wasn't "the real Vanek", that he'd be back to scoring 40 goals in no time.

Two years later.... Kill him, kill him with fire.

Parise is still producing, but dude is a 55-60 point player right now. Making 7.5M. Till 2025.

2025. We could have fly cars before that.

Is 7.5 even fair value right now for his last 3 years? I dunno if id even give him 7.5 for 2 years if he was a free agent this offseason

IMO this is worst contract in the NHL. Due to sheer madness that is the length. By 2020 this is going to be causing them fits

 

[Aceboogie]

Bob Murray on Ducks core and what offseason might have in store

Chiarelli better have his hunting hat on cause it could be Duck Hunting season very soon

Pictured: Chiarelli with Sami Vatenan and Jakub Silfverberg

 

[s7ark]

Expansion is going to have a impact on FA this summer. I bet almost no GMs will be willing to offer a player a NMC.

 

[Spawn]

meh. personally I think RNH has been better than Johansen at every stage of their careers.

IMO if either player is the best player on your team then you'd have a better shot at winning with RNH.

Not sure what you would base that on. They broke into the league at the same time. RNH was better the first two seasons. The last three Johansen has definitely been better.

 

[Aceboogie]

Expansion is going to have a impact on FA this summer. I bet almost no GMs will be willing to offer a player a NMC.

Could be a big bonus. Id offer a NMC to Demers if that was really a big selling point. Offer a bit less in money but a NMC

 

[belair]

Could be a big bonus. Id offer a NMC to Demers if that was really a big selling point. Offer a bit less in money but a NMC

No way. Offer him what you can and move on. Losing a valuable young player just to save a couple hundred grand of cap space isn't a good tradeoff. Especially when the player you're offering the NMC to isn't exactly a gamebreaker.

 

[duul]

Maybe Lindholm shakes loose? Somehow?

A blockbuster between Edmonton and Anaheim involving Lindholm, Silfverberg, RNH, Nurse?

 

[alphahelix]

No way. Offer him what you can and move on. Losing a valuable young player just to save a couple hundred grand of cap space isn't a good tradeoff. Especially when the player you're offering the NMC to isn't exactly a gamebreaker.

If we had him on a value contract we'd be protecting him anyway. Why would we bother to sign a UFA if we weren't going to protect him? If you decide Demers is a capable contributor for this core going forward, give him the NMC if it drops the price. I hate NMC's but I don't see ANY RHD in the pipeline so it seems unlikely that we will be looking to dump him in the future.