Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[joestevens29]

Why are we protecting a guy that has no contract in Ference? Expansion draft isn't happening this year

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I dont have time to find it now, but IIRC, I believe Draisaitl is protected as well. Has something to do with the 2nd year pro definition not including years you are still eligible to play in Junior. I believe, but don't quote me on this, it was Dreger that had tweeted something about this. I'd have to scour some old tweets and maybe some 30 thoughts but I believe this to be the case.

Who knows what they'll decide though. Don't think this part is set in stone.

I vaguely remember something about that as well.

I really think the 8 skaters and a goalie model could make the most sense for us. Guess it depends what we do this offseason I suppose.

If Draisaitl is exempt too it almost makes it a no brainer for me.

Protect Hall, RNH, Winger TBD, Winger TBD

Protect Klefbom, Nurse, Sekera if he's still around, Defenceman TBD

Protect Talbot

The thing is there's a ton of moving pieces for us between now and the end of next season, but if McDavid, Drai, and Laine/Pluju/Dubois all don't need to be protected, I'd almost assuredly go 4-4-1. A 3rd liner is easier to replace than a top 4 D.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Why are we protecting a guy that has no contract in Ference? Expansion draft isn't happening this year

It depends if expiring contracts count for an expansion draft in the summer of 2017. Once the leaks become enough to fill-in the information gaps we should know how bad the Ference situation is or isn't.

 

[ivanthebad*]

A team can tell him they will honour it but they do not have to

Thanks my lord. That means Hartnell could be had. We should be all over that. He's a scoring machine, especially on the pp. Just what this team needs!

 

[Birdperson]

Pominville having to be protected is so funny.

 

[Tarus]

Im not to sure. NHL wants this team to be competitive asap. These saw old expansion teams suck for years and years. Columbus has never been good ever. And 16 years and numerous top 10 picks later. They cant have that in Vegas, which is a more fragile market than Arizona. Im guessing theyll give the new team everything possible

That's why the expansion rules are pushing teams to expose better players this time around, specifically more quality vets from the middle of the rosters. The old mentality was to stack the deck against new teams, and force them to earn their way into the league.

That doesn't mean teams are going to be on board with granting a new team a top 3 selection though, especially if they are in the position to potentially draft one of those picks(roughly half the league with the lottery). Friedman has already reported on those discussions from the last GM meetings to give you an idea of where the NHL is leaning regarding this stuff.(http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/expansion-team-pick-nhl-draft/)

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Thanks my lord. That means Hartnell could be had. We should be all over that. He's a scoring machine, especially on the pp. Just what this team needs!

... the dude is 34 and what little wheels there were are falling off completely, he was healthy scratched more than once down the stretch.

No thanks on Hartnell unless it's in a straight swap with Fayne.

 

[Birdperson]

No one is going to take Hartnell if he has to be protected. Those spots will be wayyy too valuable.

 

[frag2]

I dont have time to find it now, but IIRC, I believe Draisaitl is protected as well. Has something to do with the 2nd year pro definition not including years you are still eligible to play in Junior. I believe, but don't quote me on this, it was Dreger that had tweeted something about this. I'd have to scour some old tweets and maybe some 30 thoughts but I believe this to be the case.

Who knows what they'll decide though. Don't think this part is set in stone.

I think the wording for rookies/ELC will confuse so many managers, you'll have teams exposing players they shouldve protected and teams protecting players that are exempt.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I recall pumping Ryan Wilson's tires at this point last year.

Who shall be my new Ryan Wilson, you ask?

Hmm

How about.......David....Schlemko?

 

[Frank the Tank]

I think the wording for rookies/ELC will confuse so many managers, you'll have teams exposing players they shouldve protected and teams protecting players that are exempt.

They should be fired if that is the result. The GMs (and their staff) are paid to go over the rules with a fine-toothed comb and understand them completely before something like an expansion draft. Also, should clarification be required it's not like the NHL will refuse to answer any questions GMs have about grey areas.

 

[Aceboogie]

Im going to sit back and watch the tire fire that is the Minnesota wild. Omg that team is so screwed its unbelievable

I think we need a weekly reminder of how screwed they are.

No cap space, all cap space given to 5 over 31 YO players. 3 of which are turning into scrubs. The other 2 signed through 2025 at a combined cap hit of 15 million

4.3 mil on a 29 year old goalie thru 2021

Moving on, a majority of the RFAs are up for contracts in next 2 years, in which they have almost no cap space to resign them

Further, the prospect pool in the AHL is the leagues worst AHL team and by a large margin, and has been for 2 year nows. No help coming from there

Lastly, the NMC bomb is dropped, the team has to protect 5 NMCs come next year. Making room for 3 players. Either 2 D and 1 forward, or some mix of the 2.

Needed to protect: Brodin, Spurgeon, Scandella, Dumba ( 2 forsure exposed). Granlund, Coyle, Zucker, Nino, Haula, Keumper (whatever ones are left after pieces sold off because they cant afford them)

Oh one last thing. The team is in worst cap position in the NHL and are barely a playoff bubble team who is at their peak

 

[backhandsauce]

Quick thought here.

Let's say Oilers land 3 and the Leafs 4

Would you trade Yak and the 3rd for JVR and the 4th?

This way we could move a core piece up front for a D-man and have a plug and play player in JVR.

Thoughts?

 

[Psychoil]

Im going to sit back and watch the tire fire that is the Minnesota wild. Omg that team is so screwed its unbelievable

I think we need a weekly reminder of how screwed they are.

No cap space, all cap space given to 5 over 31 YO players. 3 of which are turning into scrubs. The other 2 signed through 2025 at a combined cap hit of 15 million

4.3 mil on a 29 year old goalie thru 2021

Moving on, a majority of the RFAs are up for contracts in next 2 years, in which they have almost no cap space to resign them

Further, the prospect pool in the AHL is the leagues worst AHL team and by a large margin, and has been for 2 year nows. No help coming from there

Lastly, the NMC bomb is dropped, the team has to protect 5 NMCs come next year. Making room for 3 players. Either 2 D and 1 forward, or some mix of the 2.

Needed to protect: Brodin, Spurgeon, Scandella, Dumba ( 2 forsure exposed). Granlund, Coyle, Zucker, Nino, Haula, Keumper (whatever ones are left after pieces sold off because they cant afford them)

Oh one last thing. The team is in worst cap position in the NHL and are barely a playoff bubble team who is at their peak

Thanks for sharing this. Whenever I'm having a bad day, I can come back to this post and realize the wild are absolutely screwed. I cannot stand that franchise, I hope they finish dead last for the next 20 years, effectively taking our place

 

[McWeber]

Quick thought here.

Let's say Oilers land 3 and the Leafs 4

Would you trade Yak and the 3rd for JVR and the 4th?

This way we could move a core piece up front for a D-man and have a plug and play player in JVR.

Thoughts?

Nope, I like Dubois but the drop off is too large and JVR is a LW that would also need to be protected.

 

[ivanthebad*]

... the dude is 34 and what little wheels there were are falling off completely, he was healthy scratched more than once down the stretch.

No thanks on Hartnell unless it's in a straight swap with Fayne.

No player over 30 is allowed to play for the Oil it seems. Hartnell was scratched more often due to Torts sending messages and shaking things up. Not cuz he is a sinking ship. Saad, Foligno, Johansen. All these players have been scratched or demoted.

But you don't get a player like Hartnell for his ability to play liker a 20 year old. There's more to it than that. Same as Chia trading for a 40yr old Rechhi. Hartnell would instantly be the most character guy in our dressing room.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Im going to sit back and watch the tire fire that is the Minnesota wild. Omg that team is so screwed its unbelievable

I think we need a weekly reminder of how screwed they are.

No cap space, all cap space given to 5 over 31 YO players. 3 of which are turning into scrubs. The other 2 signed through 2025 at a combined cap hit of 15 million

4.3 mil on a 29 year old goalie thru 2021

Moving on, a majority of the RFAs are up for contracts in next 2 years, in which they have almost no cap space to resign them

Further, the prospect pool in the AHL is the leagues worst AHL team and by a large margin, and has been for 2 year nows. No help coming from there

Lastly, the NMC bomb is dropped, the team has to protect 5 NMCs come next year. Making room for 3 players. Either 2 D and 1 forward, or some mix of the 2.

Needed to protect: Brodin, Spurgeon, Scandella, Dumba ( 2 forsure exposed). Granlund, Coyle, Zucker, Nino, Haula, Keumper (whatever ones are left after pieces sold off because they cant afford them)

Oh one last thing. The team is in worst cap position in the NHL and are barely a playoff bubble team who is at their peak

Columbus is in a flat out horrible position too, though their prospect cupboard and draft pick situation is much better. 68 million committed to next season, have to protect Clarkson, Hartnell, and Tyutin, on the hook for three more years of Bob at nearly 7.5 million cap hit (fresh off an injury riddled .908 SV% season), and Seth Jones has no contract and will likely get a minimum of $5 million.

I'd be circling the Wild, Blue Jackets, and Rangers like vultures (Rangers: $55 million committed to 13 players, Kreider, Hayes, and Miller all need new deals, $11 million dollar boat anchors Staal and Girardi with full NMC's, window has slammed shut, no 1st or 2nd this year, no 2nd next year, prospect pool dry as a bone)

 

[Canovin]

Columbus is in a flat out horrible position too, though their prospect cupboard and draft pick situation is much better. 68 million committed to next season, have to protect Clarkson, Hartnell, and Tyutin, on the hook for three more years of Bob at nearly 7.5 million cap hit (fresh off an injury riddled .908 SV% season), and Seth Jones has no contract and will likely get a minimum of $5 million.

I'd be circling the Wild, Blue Jackets, and Rangers like vultures (Rangers: $55 million committed to 13 players, Kreider, Hayes, and Miller all need new deals, $11 million dollar boat anchors Staal and Girardi with full NMC's, window has slammed shut, no 1st or 2nd this year, no 2nd next year, prospect pool dry as a bone)

I hope Columbus is in no position to draft an elite center and Seth Jones refuses to sign with him. I'm still hoping for the RNH-Jones swap

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No player over 30 is allowed to play for the Oil it seems. Hartnell was scratched more often due to Torts sending messages and shaking things up. Not cuz he is a sinking ship. Saad, Foligno, Johansen. All these players have been scratched or demoted.

But you don't get a player like Hartnell for his ability to play liker a 20 year old. There's more to it than that. Same as Chia trading for a 40yr old Rechhi. Hartnell would instantly be the most character guy in our dressing room.

Outside of the final game of the season where he potted 2-2-4, Hartnell had 15 points in his final 39 games. He's 34, an age a ton of players have their wheel fall off. He's expensive - 4.75 - has a NMC that would need to be protected in the expansion draft, is signed for 3 more years, and plays LW - a position we already have in abundance.

No thanks.

 

[Up the Irons]

Quick thought here.

Let's say Oilers land 3 and the Leafs 4

Would you trade Yak
and the 3rd for JVR and the 4th?

This way we could move a core piece up front for a D-man and have a plug and play player in JVR.

Thoughts?

meh. I suppose.

I'd trade the 3rd for an NHL defensemen. same goes for where ever we pick

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Im going to sit back and watch the tire fire that is the Minnesota wild. Omg that team is so screwed its unbelievable

I think we need a weekly reminder of how screwed they are.

No cap space, all cap space given to 5 over 31 YO players. 3 of which are turning into scrubs. The other 2 signed through 2025 at a combined cap hit of 15 million

4.3 mil on a 29 year old goalie thru 2021

Moving on, a majority of the RFAs are up for contracts in next 2 years, in which they have almost no cap space to resign them

Further, the prospect pool in the AHL is the leagues worst AHL team and by a large margin, and has been for 2 year nows. No help coming from there

Lastly, the NMC bomb is dropped, the team has to protect 5 NMCs come next year. Making room for 3 players. Either 2 D and 1 forward, or some mix of the 2.

Needed to protect: Brodin, Spurgeon, Scandella, Dumba ( 2 forsure exposed). Granlund, Coyle, Zucker, Nino, Haula, Keumper (whatever ones are left after pieces sold off because they cant afford them)

Oh one last thing. The team is in worst cap position in the NHL and are barely a playoff bubble team who is at their peak

Makes you wonder if Chiarelli is looking to add one of their defenseman for draft picks.

 

[frag2]

They should be fired if that is the result. The GMs (and their staff) are paid to go over the rules with a fine-toothed comb and understand them completely before something like an expansion draft. Also, should clarification be required it's not like the NHL will refuse to answer any questions GMs have about grey areas.

In this day and age where we can use "Ctrl+F" when reading the CBA, we still have managers misunderstanding the CBA.


Ok, maybe just former GMs in Feaster and MacT

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Outside of the final game of the season where he potted 2-2-4, Hartnell had 15 points in his final 39 games. He's 34, an age a ton of players have their wheel fall off. He's expensive - 4.75 - has a NMC that would need to be protected in the expansion draft, is signed for 3 more years, and plays LW - a position we already have in abundance.

No thanks.

I don't want the player, but Portzline tweeted that Hartnell has been their top goal scorer since he got there.

 

[Aceboogie]

Makes you wonder if Chiarelli is looking to add one of their defenseman for draft picks.

I hope so, #BringSpurgeonhome

 

[Aceboogie]

People are considering Hartnell? I mean he can still play but makes a ton and eats up an exemption spot (which is huge)

Id do Hartnell + Jones for like Eberle say