Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Subban Talk

[Jimmi McJenkins]

As awesome as that would be lol, if Chiarelli has "more" planned, it's definitely not to get younger, skip development and play his players above their depth. His track record should be a good indicator.

I guess, I mean the reality, though, is that Chiarelli is building a team for McDavid, so two younger, giant, wingers might be a much better fit.

Edit: I also assume that Laine & Puljujarvi would be exempt from the Expansion Draft.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Once a player waives an NTC and gets traded, doesn't it come null and void to the new team?

 

[TheBrew]

I'm pretty sure last time expiring contracts still counted in the draft.


Oh man, check out these sketchy players that have to be protected:

Foligno
M. Staal
Clarkson (hahahah)
Phaneuf
Callahan
Pominville
Filpulla
Clowe
Hartnell
Bieksa
Tyutin

Pronger too.

 

[SometimesY]

Wow, have to be careful with the NMC from now on. What does Sekera have?

Where can you see the contract NMC stuff? I went to nhl numbers but don't see it there.

 

[Aceboogie]

I'm pretty sure last time expiring contracts still counted in the draft.


Oh man, check out these sketchy players that have to be protected:

Foligno
M. Staal
Clarkson (hahahah)
Phaneuf
Callahan
Pominville
Filpulla
Clowe
Hartnell
Bieksa
Tyutin

Phanuef is the only one I see hurting. The new expansion team is going to be a playoff team rather soon. They are going to have a top 15 D core from day 1 with teams only able to protect 3 D. I mean they could start out immediately with Hjmarlsson, Vatenan, Parayko, Ellis, Enstrom (off the top of my head)

I think Phanuef would have been appealing to them because hes older, still has game and would get them to cap floor (if that was an issue).

Im actually kinda of jealous for the expansion team TBH

 

[Aceboogie]

Wow, have to be careful with the NMC from now on. What does Sekera have?

NMC till 2019, NTC after

Hes a force protect which kinda sucks

Im betting Davidson gets claimed now. Cheap contract + likely good player end of next year

First good D we drafted from depths and developed and hes bye bye. Thats life I guess

Protect Klefbom, Nurse/new D, new D

I dunno if Sekera counts against 3 spots tho

 

[McWeber]

Phanuef is the only one I see hurting. The new expansion team is going to be a playoff team rather soon. They are going to have a top 15 D core from day 1 with teams only able to protect 3 D. I mean they could start out immediately with Hjmarlsson, Vatenan, Parayko, Ellis, Enstrom (off the top of my head)

I think Phanuef would have been appealing to them because hes older, still has game and would get them to cap floor (if that was an issue).

Im actually kinda of jealous for the expansion team TBH

I can't see Parayko being left exposed, the Blues would probably protect 8 skaters before they let that happen.

 

[Aceboogie]

I can't see Parayko being left exposed, the Blues would probably protect 8 skaters before they let that happen.

Yeah true

For Oilers I got

McDavid (unsure if hell count)
Hall
Klefbom
RNH
Nurse
Davidson
New D
New D

1 goalie: Talbot

Exposed
Maroon
Pouliot
Kassian
Brossoit

 

[alphahelix]

I'm pretty sure last time expiring contracts still counted in the draft.


Oh man, check out these sketchy players that have to be protected:

Foligno
M. Staal
Clarkson (hahahah)
Phaneuf
Callahan
Pominville
Filpulla
Clowe
Hartnell
Bieksa
Tyutin

We can't buy out Ference because he is injured limping around on crutches. He won't play next year but he might still be "on our books" potentially. I think there might be a caveat that he can give us permission to buy him out. It doesn't make sense to me that expiring contracts would be included though; you'd think they would run the expansion draft AFTER the season expires and BEFORE the free agency period begins.

 

[frag2]

I can't see Parayko being left exposed, the Blues would probably protect 8 skaters before they let that happen.

I don't think Parayko will need to be exposed since he's exempt. Less than 2 years of play makes player exempt.

****** part is Draisaitl will take up a protected spot. Not that he wouldn't be protected but it'd be nice if he fell under the 2 years of play rule.

 

[duul]

The expansion team is going to have a better defence than over half the teams in the NHL. I wonder why they're doing that. They should make teams expose more forwards and less defence. 5-6 forwards and 4 defence.

This expansion team is going to have literally no scoring potential except from the back end.

 

[Tarus]

So Sekera, Talbot, and Ference have to be protected in the expansion draft.

Have to think that Ference gets bought out for sure now. We don't have a date when the expansion draft will go forward, but if it's late next season before contracts have a chance to expire, there is no way the team could potentially risk losing an NHL player just to avoid a cap penalty for an extra year.

 

[ivanthebad*]

The expansion team is going to have a better defence than over half the teams in the NHL. I wonder why they're doing that. They should make teams expose more forwards and less defence. 5-6 forwards and 4 defence.

This expansion team is going to have literally no scoring potential except from the back end.

Good teams build from the back out they say

 

[Aceboogie]

The expansion team is going to have a better defence than over half the teams in the NHL. I wonder why they're doing that. They should make teams expose more forwards and less defence. 5-6 forwards and 4 defence.

This expansion team is going to have literally no scoring potential except from the back end.

Theyll likely get top 3 pick in the draft, some fire power right there. Also could see some possible side deals with teams with good D trading a forward to expansion team for scraps in order for them to not pick a certain player

Id actually love to be the GM of expansion team. A smart GM would really turn that team into a powerhouse fast. They start out with almost all the power and a clean slate. No bad contracts

They have a top 15 top 4D, a #1 goalie and likely a solid forward core from day 1

 

[McWeber]

We can't buy out Ference because he is injured limping around on crutches. He won't play next year but he might still be "on our books" potentially. I think there might be a caveat that he can give us permission to buy him out. It doesn't make sense to me that expiring contracts would be included though; you'd think they would run the expansion draft AFTER the season expires and BEFORE the free agency period begins.

Ference has removed any association from the Oilers on his twitter account, he contributed to an article talking about how he would retire if bought it. I think it is a foregone conclusion he is getting bought out and he is fine with it.

The expansion team is going to have a better defence than over half the teams in the NHL. I wonder why they're doing that. They should make teams expose more forwards and less defence. 5-6 forwards and 4 defence.

This expansion team is going to have literally no scoring potential except from the back end.

The expansion team could just go and pluck the best possible asset from each team and trade them from there. D tend to be valued higher than forwards, they could easily fill out their lineup by grabbing 15 #4 Dmen and flipping them. They could also trade them for picks and build themselves through the draft. This expansion team will be in a fantastic position to go in whatever direction they desire. I think we could see some collusion too where a GM targets an exposed player and already has a trade in place with Vegas before they even claim them.

 

[s7ark]

A guy I wonder about is Fedor Tyutin. I know he's a LHD, but he's been a solid top-4 guy for a long time, he has 2 more years at $4.5M which is quite reasonable, and still only 32. I don't know what he might cost, but worth a look as an upgrade.

God no. He is rapidly going downhill

So... Ference needs to be bought out?

also, who the **** gives a 34 yr old depth-defenseman a NMC?!?

Yup. Ference will almost certainly be bought out.

Wow, have to be careful with the NMC from now on. What does Sekera have?

Where can you see the contract NMC stuff? I went to nhl numbers but don't see it there.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/no_trade_list.html

BJs have 5 players with NMC! That team is in a world of hurt. If we offersheeted Jones and gave him a NMC they might have to let him walk.

Ouch, the Wild give out NMC clauses like candy. 6 players they have to protect.

 

[CornKicker]

ference's contract is over before the 2017 season so he doesnt matter i thought?

 

[Soli]

****** part is Draisaitl will take up a protected spot. Not that he wouldn't be protected but it'd be nice if he fell under the 2 years of play rule.

I dont have time to find it now, but IIRC, I believe Draisaitl is protected as well. Has something to do with the 2nd year pro definition not including years you are still eligible to play in Junior. I believe, but don't quote me on this, it was Dreger that had tweeted something about this. I'd have to scour some old tweets and maybe some 30 thoughts but I believe this to be the case.

Who knows what they'll decide though. Don't think this part is set in stone.

 

[Tarus]

Theyll likely get top 3 pick in the draft, some fire power right there. Also could see some possible side deals with teams with good D trading a forward to expansion team for scraps in order for them to not pick a certain player

Id actually love to be the GM of expansion team. A smart GM would really turn that team into a powerhouse fast. They start out with almost all the power and a clean slate. No bad contracts

They have a top 15 top 4D, a #1 goalie and likely a solid forward core from day 1

It's probable the expansion teams won't be allowed to draft higher than 3rd overall. It's even possible their best pick will be 4th with the new lottery rules, assuming they are exempt from participating in lottery itself.

All of which would be similar to the last time expansion rolled through the NHL.

 

[Fourier]

God no. He is rapidly going downhill



Yup. Ference will almost certainly be bought out.



http://www.thefourthperiod.com/no_trade_list.html

BJs have 5 players with NMC! That team is in a world of hurt. If we offersheeted Jones and gave him a NMC they might have to let him walk.

Ouch, the Wild give out NMC clauses like candy. 6 players they have to protect.

IN an offer sheet situation CBJ would not have to give Jones a NMC, but of course it does not matter since there is no chance he would not be protected.

 

[J4M13M]

God no. He is rapidly going downhill



Yup. Ference will almost certainly be bought out.



http://www.thefourthperiod.com/no_trade_list.html

BJs have 5 players with NMC! That team is in a world of hurt. If we offersheeted Jones and gave him a NMC they might have to let him walk.

Ouch, the Wild give out NMC clauses like candy. 6 players they have to protect.

This might put Winnipeg in an awkward position with Trouba. They already have 3 D with NMC, so if Trouba got one through negotiating or a matched offer sheet, they'd be forced to only protect 8 skaters, instead of 7 F, 3 D.

 

[Aceboogie]

BJs have 5 players with NMC! That team is in a world of hurt. If we offersheeted Jones and gave him a NMC they might have to let him walk.

Ouch, the Wild give out NMC clauses like candy. 6 players they have to protect.

Hahahaa Vanek, Koivu, Pominville, and even Parise. That is damn tough

Im not sure you can give a NMC to Jones tho as a RFA

Itll be interesting to see how Pronger is handled. Hes a NMC but a LTIR player. He makes 4.9M next year so if hes bought out or retires there is a cap hit in following years. If you dont buy him out, he takes up a spot

 

[Aceboogie]

It's probable the expansion teams won't be allowed to draft higher than 3rd overall. It's even possible their best pick will be 4th with the new lottery rules, assuming they are exempt from participating in lottery itself.

All of which would be similar to the last time expansion rolled through the NHL.

Im not to sure. NHL wants this team to be competitive asap. These saw old expansion teams suck for years and years. Columbus has never been good ever. And 16 years and numerous top 10 picks later. They cant have that in Vegas, which is a more fragile market than Arizona. Im guessing theyll give the new team everything possible

 

[Frank the Tank]

This might put Winnipeg in an awkward position with Trouba. They already have 3 D with NMC, so if Trouba got one through negotiating or a matched offer sheet, they'd be forced to only protect 8 skaters, instead of 7 F, 3 D.

Byfuglien may be played at forward next season for a significant amount of time. I can see a GM wanting to test the grey areas.

I'm worried because can Ference be bought out with his hip surgery occurring recently? Having to protect Ference in an expansion draft may be MacT final "gift" to this franchise.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Once a player waives an NTC and gets traded, doesn't it come null and void to the new team?

A team can tell him they will honour it but they do not have to