Speculation: Rumour, Trade, and Free Agent Speculation 2018-19 - Part X

[Board Bard]

It will be a really late first (last overall perhaps?) and Stanley...[mod] lets go for it! I'm a Sens Fan, but the Jets are my team in the west. Stone is a difference maker, a true leader, a play maker, clutch scorer and last but not least...he's a local boy! If the Jets don't pull the trigger on Mark Stone they will sorely regret it, especially if Nashville or the Flames end up with him.

Time to [go for it]..we've got the prospect depth. Sacrificing some of that depth to go for it now is what it takes to win a cup. Also, who knows...we could even sign Stone here in the offseason and trade someone like N. Ejlers and M. Perreault and get some draft/prospect capital back that way.

No way I'd lose Ehlers for Stone. The team wouldn't get any better and Ehlers would be cheaper. If I ever found out that I did that, I'd label myself a moron and fire myself.

 

[Keystone]

Was wondering what people think of this idea if the Jets trade away this year's 1st round pick (to get Stone for example)

To EDM:

Petan, 3rd round pick

To WPG:

2nd round pick

The rational of this trade is that the 1st rounder the Jets would give away this year would be around pick 25-30. The 2nd round pick coming from EDM would likely be around # 32-36. Essentially getting this pick would mitigate losing our 1st this year and it would almost feel like getting our late 1st round pick back.

Edit: Sweetener by adding Comrie going to EDM.

I like it. Don’t think Edm does it mind you, even though Petan would have a real good shot at success there.
Maybe Petan, Wpg 2nd for Edm 2nd

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

By the way, Shout out to Andrew Ladd, for chasing the big bucks instead of taking a hometown discount

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Petan has little to no value

I'd love to see him in EDM though.

 

[Jetsfan79]

I like it. Don’t think Edm does it mind you, even though Petan would have a real good shot at success there.
Maybe Petan, Wpg 2nd for Edm 2nd

I think thats a good option as well.

 

[Yutronkov]

No way I'd lose Ehlers for Stone. The team wouldn't get any better and Ehlers would be cheaper. If I ever found out that I did that, I'd label myself a moron and fire myself.

No offense...but, I think you misunderstood my premise. Retaining Mark Stone and trading N. Ehlers or Kyle Conner could be used to obtain whatever need we have. Signing Stone is a massive asset. I don't think people realize how good this guy is. He's averaging over a ppg on the leagues worst team and his linemates are rookies (B. Tkachuk, C. White). He's also one of the better defenders in the league (consistently is top 5 in overall take aways). The guy oozes leadership and he's the consumate professional who is all about winning. He is literally perfect for what the Jets need.

I mean did you guys not see the games where the Sens whooped the Jets asses. Do you not think M. Stone was trying to send a message to the Jets front office staff?

 

[JBM]

Sooo if no Stone, who would be the next target? Hoffman, Martinez, Hayes?

Also I’m all in for our 1st + Vesalainen + conditional 1st if Stone resigns. Probably gets it done. Wouldn’t be totally against Roslo either, but definitely prefer Ves. If it were Roslo then not another 1st, maybe Roslo, a 2nd, and conditional 1st is Stone resigns again.

Anyways, going crazy over this will end soon. The real deal is only days away and I cannot wait

 

[Board Bard]

I wouldn't give Ottawa anything if Stone signs in Winnipeg next year. He'll be a free agent and he won't be any of Ottawa's business. No other team would give Ottawa an asset if they sign Stone, why should Winnipeg even if he finishes the season here? It's different if you base a conditional pick on what the Jets do in the playoffs because Stone is still on his contract and the Jets are paying for his rights. But for a contract that starts after he's free and clear? No.

 

[Yutronkov]

Sooo if no Stone, who would be the next target? Hoffman, Martinez, Hayes?

Also I’m all in for our 1st + Vesalainen + conditional 1st if Stone resigns. Probably gets it done. Wouldn’t be totally against Roslo either, but definitely prefer Ves. If it were Roslo then not another 1st, maybe Roslo, a 2nd, and conditional 1st is Stone resigns again.

Anyways, going crazy over this will end soon. The real deal is only days away and I cannot wait

I think the Sens would prefer Vesalainen to be honest.

 

[untouchable21]

I’m really intrigued by all this trade talk on the Jets front, but why are we not talking more about or hearing about any potential upgrades to the defense?

If Chevy and the Jets are truly all in wouldn’t there be a pick up for the blue line as well? They are far from perfect there and could use an upgrade at #4 lhd

Potential candidates???? Trying to identify some smart low key additions ala Washington that won’t cost an exorbitant amount.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Stone was the only big name target I was even mildly interested in.

 

[Board Bard]

No offense...but, I think you misunderstood my premise. Retaining Mark Stone and trading N. Ehlers or Kyle Conner could be used to obtain whatever need we have. Signing Stone is a massive asset. I don't think people realize how good this guy is. He's averaging over a ppg on the leagues worst team and his linemates are rookies (B. Tkachuk, C. White). He's also one of the better defenders in the league (consistently is top 5 in overall take aways). The guy oozes leadership and he's the consumate professional who is all about winning. He is literally perfect for what the Jets need.

I mean did you guys not see the games where the Sens whooped the Jets asses. Do you not think M. Stone was trying to send a message to the Jets front office staff?

You don't get better by making a lateral trade of wingers. But you can get more expensive. That's where the Jets would be by trading Ehlers for Stone. I don't mind getting Stone but not at the expense of younger, cheaper guys who are either just as good right now or potentially soon will be.

 

[Yutronkov]

I wouldn't give Ottawa anything if Stone signs in Winnipeg next year. He'll be a free agent and he won't be any of Ottawa's business. No other team would give Ottawa an asset if they sign Stone, why should Winnipeg even if he finishes the season here? It's different if you base a conditional pick on what the Jets do in the playoffs because Stone is still on his contract and the Jets are paying for his rights. But for a contract that starts after he's free and clear? No.

You don't understand how these things work do you. The conditional pick aspect is meant as a form of currency. In this case, if Stone re-signs with the Jets...that's awesome for Winnipeg. The Sens getting an upgrade from a 2020 2nd to a 1st is part of the equity of a trade. I would rather build a conditional pick in a trade than trading a grade A prospect any day.

 

[JetsFan815]

Sooo if no Stone, who would be the next target? Hoffman, Martinez, Hayes?

Also I’m all in for our 1st + Vesalainen + conditional 1st if Stone resigns. Probably gets it done. Wouldn’t be totally against Roslo either, but definitely prefer Ves. If it were Roslo then not another 1st, maybe Roslo, a 2nd, and conditional 1st is Stone resigns again.

Anyways, going crazy over this will end soon. The real deal is only days away and I cannot wait

Why do you want to so badly overpay with more than what all the rentals have gone for this year and in the last several years? According the all reports none of the others in chase for Stone have made their A prospects available, why should the Jets?

 

[Yutronkov]

You don't get better by making a lateral trade of wingers. But you can get more expensive. That's where the Jets would be by trading Ehlers for Stone. I don't mind getting Stone but not at the expense of younger, cheaper guys who are either just as good right now or potentially soon will be.

Ehlers is nowhere close to being a ppg guy. Look what he did in the playoffs last year....exactly...not much. N. Ehlers will never be nothing more than a 30 goal 65 point guy. M. Stone is a ppg player who has yet to play with amazing talent around him. He also bring so many intangibles (leadership, grit, clutch goalscoring) that are so important come playoff time. If the Jet's play the Preds in another game 7, everyone would be like damn I wish we had Mark Stone on our team, especially if the Preds have him. As a Sens fan it kills me that Stone is going to be shipped out of town. But, if he's traded I would want him to go to the Jets my second favourite team. Also, it's a perfect fit IMO.

 

[Yutronkov]

Why do you want to so badly overpay with more than what all the rentals have gone for this year and in the last several years? According the all reports none of the others in chase for Stone have made their A prospects available, why should the Jets?

Given how P. Dorion operates, the Jets won't have to give out grade A prospects. The guy is an idiot.

 

[Channelcat]

Why do you want to so badly overpay with more than what all the rentals have gone for this year and in the last several years? According the all reports none of the others in chase for Stone have made their A prospects available, why should the Jets?

I'd be happiest if we stand pat.

 

[Board Bard]

You don't understand how these things work do you. The conditional pick aspect is meant as a form of currency. In this case, if Stone re-signs with the Jets...that's awesome for Winnipeg. The Sens getting an upgrade from a 2020 2nd to a 1st is part of the equity of a trade. I would rather build a conditional pick in a trade than trading a grade A prospect any day.

I'd rather give a standard rental price of a 2019 1st and a prospect not named Niku, Samberg or Vesalainen. Nothing more, and next year takes care of itself.

 

[Keystone]

I’m really intrigued by all this trade talk on the Jets front, but why are we not talking more about or hearing about any potential upgrades to the defense?

If Chevy and the Jets are truly all in wouldn’t there be a pick up for the blue line as well? They are far from perfect there and could use an upgrade at #4 lhd

Potential candidates???? Trying to identify some smart low key additions ala Washington that won’t cost an exorbitant amount.

The list of UFA is short and not sweet. I’d like elder but I think he’s going nowhere. Kronwall staying. It literally gets down to Chairot pretty quickly.

 

[Jetsfan79]

Why do you want to so badly overpay with more than what all the rentals have gone for this year and in the last several years? According the all reports none of the others in chase for Stone have made their A prospects available, why should the Jets?

2 reasons IMO:

1. Jets window is now. Stone isnt just valuable by himself, he's a driver and makes players around him better. Also being from WPG, there is a * chance* we can resign him

2. (Most Importantly IMO). The Jets great track record of drafting makes me confident they can mitigate the assets lost (picks and prospects) by drafting well after the first round.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I know we are small market, but every time another fan base questions our ability to pay on here, there’s a lineup of posters spouting the about the richest man in Canada being an owner. And Chevy will spend his money when it’s time to win. Which one is it?

I don't think Thompson is in this to lose money. The team has to pay its own way. So it is neither. Jets have made money so far and PO appearances will only help. They can pay. They can't throw money around like Leafs, Habs or Rangers.

 

[Evil Little]

As a fan of both the Sens and Jets a fair deal IMO is the following:

Jets trade = 2019 1st, Roslovic, 2020 2nd: conditional (2020 1st if Jet's win the Stanley Cup finals or Mark Stone signs with the Jets.), N. Petan (What the heck...we don't need him)

Sens trade = M. Stone

For a rental, not close. Three firsts, smh.

Now do it again with the dumb Dorian discount.

 

[untouchable21]

The list of UFA is short and not sweet. I’d like elder but I think he’s going nowhere. Kronwall staying. It literally gets down to Chairot pretty quickly.

I’m with you on Edler as I think he’d be a pretty good addition but by all accounts he’s not interested in waiving his NTC which is too bad.

There’s got to be a few other low cost upgrades that are cheap cost controlled RFA’s out there, but finding one that’s available and a fit could be difficult.

I guess over the next 38 hours we shall see if Chevy uncovered somebody nobody knew was available.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They want us to pay for 2015 Simmonds, while providing 2019 Simmonds.

Its not just that Simmonds has changed. So have the Jets. We don't need 2015 Simmonds either. We don't need wingers.

 

[Keystone]

I’m with you on Edler as I think he’d be a pretty good addition but by all accounts he’s not interested in waiving his NTC which is too bad.

There’s got to be a few other low cost upgrades that are cheap cost controlled RFA’s out there, but finding one that’s available and a fit could be difficult.

I guess over the next 38 hours we shall see if Chevy uncovered somebody nobody knew was available.

If we are looking for an upgrade to someone in our lineup, I think the price tag will be pretty large. If u want an extra 7th D, ya that’s probably out there.
I think there is guys out there with more talent than Chairot, but talent, or even results sometimes doesn’t get u playing time on the Jets necessarily.