Rumor: Rumors & Trade Proposals Thread | Post Mortem '23-24 Season: Who Should Stay, Who Should Go & Who Should We Bring In?

[McTonyBrar]

• Friedman says oilers have to do some dancing
• Oilers are trying to move Campbell hard
• Believes Oilers might sign a GM who has been around for a while or has been a GM before. He mentions Jason Botterill
• Balls in Carolina’s court with Guentzel. May get done by tomorrow (f*** you Vancouver)
• Believes Edmonton Calgary Seattle are in on Debrusk

Why didn’t Boob ask more about Edmonton and rumours instead fawning over Holland

 

[guymez]

The weird thing about the signing is, even immediately after Campbell was signed, I have never actually heard Ken Holland say a single thing that he likes about the player. If you go back and listen to his interviews about the Campbell signing, Holland always starts the same way: we knew Mike Smith and Koskinen weren't coming back, Stu was going to be backup so we really needed an experienced starter, there were 3-4 guys on the market with a track record as a starter (I've assumed he means Husso, Campbell, and Kuemper), and we didn't really know what we would do if we didn't sign one of those guys.

Holland had also tried for Markstrom, Kuemper, and others previously and struck out. Campbell was good friends with Barrie, Ceci, and Hyman, so I think we knew pretty well that we had him in the bag. I don't think Campbell was ever the starting goalie that they loved, but they had a glaring hole and he was the guy they thought they could get.

I hear you but it just wasnt nearly good enough for a team with SC aspirations.

 

[TheNumber4]

Shouldn't you be desperately trying to trade Marner or sucking up to Berube?

You are projecting.

 

[Paralyzer]

• Friedman says oilers have to do some dancing
• Oilers are trying to move Campbell hard
• Believes Oilers might sign a GM who has been around for a while or has been a GM before. He mentions Jason Botterill
• Balls in Carolina’s court with Guentzel. May get done by tomorrow (f*** you Vancouver)
• Believes Edmonton Calgary Seattle are in on Debrusk

Why didn’t Boob ask more about Edmonton and rumours instead fawning over Holland

When I first saw Jason Botterill, I was like HELL NO just from his time on the Sabres, but then looking at his trade history, he's actually been pretty decent in the trades department. He didn't overpay for any of the players he acquired, and he tried making Buffalo competitive.

 

[TheNumber4]

When I first saw Jason Botterill, I was like HELL NO just from his time on the Sabres, but then looking at his trade history, he's actually been pretty decent in the trades department. He didn't overpay for any of the players he acquired, and he tried making Buffalo competitive.

Did you have a chance to look at his drafting? Wonder how that was

 

[Paralyzer]

Did you have a chance to look at his drafting? Wonder how that was

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

My takes on the aforementioned mentioned players were bang on and constructive criticism is what helped them get to where they are currently, that along with their hard work and dedication to rounding out their games.

Hyman certainly isn't the player he was during the first three quarters of his first season with the Oilers and Bouchard is no longer the soft indecisive player that had major shortcomings defensively.

Being a fanboy hinders, it does not help. Maybe one day you'll figure it out. I hope so.

Constructive criticism, that's cap, you advocated trading him 100's of times over, stated he was either bad or simply not good enough to ever be part of the equation of a winning Stanley Cup team. If you believed in the player you would of advocated patience while critiquing him as I did, I also said the guy had top 5 offensive d-man in the league kind of upside when not a single other person on this board was saying the same thing. I was fully cognizant of his strengths and his warts and what I thought could be fixed with time.

Nothing you did helped anything, Bouchard was not in here reading your posts, a quality prospect simply matured and evolved his game in a way and manner you were not capable of comprehending.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Did you have a chance to look at his drafting? Wonder how that was

He didn't say we have interest in Botterill

 

[Paralyzer]

He didn't say we have interest in Botterill

We're just speculating on what you said. Never did we think it WAS happening, but I always try to see the full picture on anyone.

 

[CycloneSweep]

• Friedman says oilers have to do some dancing
• Oilers are trying to move Campbell hard
• Believes Oilers might sign a GM who has been around for a while or has been a GM before. He mentions Jason Botterill
• Balls in Carolina’s court with Guentzel. May get done by tomorrow (f*** you Vancouver)
• Believes Edmonton Calgary Seattle are in on Debrusk

Why didn’t Boob ask more about Edmonton and rumours instead fawning over Holland

Wasn’t Botterill awful in Buffalo.

 

[TheNumber4]

Constructive criticism, that's cap, you advocated trading him 100's of times over, stated he was either bad or simply not good enough to ever be part of the equation of a winning Stanley Cup team. If you believed in the player you would of advocated patience while critiquing him as I did, I also said the guy had top 5 offensive d-man in the league kind of upside when not a single other person on this board was saying the same thing. I was fully cognizant of his strengths and his warts and what I thought could be fixed with time.

Nothing you did helped anything, Bouchard was not in here reading your posts, a quality prospect simply matured and evolved his game in a way and manner you were not capable of comprehending.

He actually thinks his posting was like personally coaching Bouchard up. Lol.

 

[Frank the Tank]

The last GM who came out and said he’s going to make bold moves and played his hand was MacT. How’d that go? lol

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Constructive criticism, that's cap, you advocated trading him 100's of times over, stated he was either bad or simply not good enough to ever be part of the equation of a winning Stanley Cup team. If you believed in the player you would of advocated patience while critiquing him as I did, I also said the guy had top 5 offensive d-man in the league kind of upside when not a single other person on this board was saying the same thing. I was fully cognizant of his strengths and his warts and what I thought could be fixed with time.

Nothing you did helped anything, Bouchard was not in here reading your posts, a quality prospect simply matured and evolved his game in a way and manner you were not capable of comprehending.

No it was definitely all the hf constructive criticism that made Bouchard into an elite player.

 

[CycloneSweep]

No it was definitely all the hf constructive criticism that made Bouchard into an elite player.

It was my hate that molded Broberg.

 

[TheNumber4]

It was my hate that molded Broberg.

No it was mine. I told him to start skating faster, stupid. If he doesn’t commission me a portion of his future contacts, I’m suing.

 

[McShogun99]

The last GM who came out and said he’s going to make bold moves and played his hand was MacT. How’d that go? lol

Pretty great actually. We ended up with Draisaitl and Mcdavid......

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

It was my hate that molded Broberg.

 

[McShogun99]

When I first saw Jason Botterill, I was like HELL NO just from his time on the Sabres, but then looking at his trade history, he's actually been pretty decent in the trades department. He didn't overpay for any of the players he acquired, and he tried making Buffalo competitive.

Going from Holland to Botterill would be a huge downgrade.

 

[Paralyzer]

Going from Holland to Botterill would be a huge downgrade.

Never said I WANT him. Just looking at the bigger picture.

 

[McShogun99]

We just need to convince the Capitals GM that Campbell is a playmaking goalie and will help Ovi set the goal scoring record.

 

[K1984]

When I first saw Jason Botterill, I was like HELL NO just from his time on the Sabres, but then looking at his trade history, he's actually been pretty decent in the trades department. He didn't overpay for any of the players he acquired, and he tried making Buffalo competitive.

I agree that he’s not that bad, and was VERY highly regarded in Pittsburgh before he moved over there. He got lots of credit for their championship teams.

Similar to the decade of darkness Oilers, some teams just can’t find a way not matter what, and that was definitely the Sabres of that era. Also don’t know if there is a worse position to start in as a GM - take over a team with the expectation that you turn them around fast, despite the team not being close to a position to do so.

Jeff Jackson isn’t a stupid person, this isn’t going to be a flippant hire like we’ve seen over and over again here. If it’s Botterill then he probably did more than enough diligence on him.

 

[TheNumber4]

He didn't say we have interest in Botterill

Hmm no? K

 

[oobga]

Lames running a skeleton crew next season

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

So of the RD UFA options who do people want? I included cap and term projections from AFP Analytics. (just did ones with pricetags $3M and up)

W. Carrier $4.00M x 3 yrs
T. Brodie $3.65M x 2 yrs
M. Dumba $3.04 x 3 yrs
B. Montour $7.73M x 6 yrs
B. Pesce $6.28M x 5 yrs
M. Roy $5.84M x 5 yrs
C. Tanev $4.48M x 3 yrs
S. Walker $4.65M x 3 yrs

 

[McDNicks17]

That turned into giving away our our only experienced Center for Philip Larson and a 6th rd pick.

We could use that kind of deal again for Campbell.

Getting value for Horcoff's last two years at $5.5M was a miracle.