Rumor: Rumors & Trade Proposals Thread | Post Mortem '23-24 Season: Who Should Stay, Who Should Go & Who Should We Bring In?

[McDoused]

Holland left the next guy with some extremely hard decisions to make.

Since Holland created a buyout proof deal, along with massive overpay and NMC for Nurse's contract, he probably left the biggest pile of garbage that any Oilers GM has left behind, plus Campbell.

The cost to replace is almost a no-brainer for both these guys. Broberg + a solid 4-5M RHD is probably better than Nurse + Broberg on his off side. a 5M D + Nurse's 2.3M retained is 2M cheaper than Nurse's contract. That's 2M to improve the team still.

Campbell, replacement is probably a league minimum backup goalie. You save 3.9M buying Campbell out. That's 3M extra to improve the team.

This needs to end with the current GM's decisions, but sadly, for now it has to continue because of the last GM's decisions. We could improve our cap situation by $5M with zero loss to performance if we could trade Nurse with 25% retained and buyout Campbell. Gotta find that RHD of course, so we better get a GM that can make moves like Zito did for Florida.

Let's be real here, pretty much every GM starts with problems that need fixing. Holland definitely lefts this team better than he found it. You could definitely make the argument that whoever steps in right now has the 2nd best team to work with despite some of the problems/signings.

Realistically, the new GM only has a few moves to make. Yes those moves might be hard to pull off but the core is here.

With respect to Zito, I think if he stepped aside today the GM placing him would be in a worse situation than here. Holland keeping Broberg and Holloway is absolutely massive. Florida by comparison has traded away most of their picks, prospects and young guys. They have to sign like half their team including core guys.

 

[oobga]

Yea. The new GM is essentially going to have to decide between Nurse or Bouchard. You cant have both making close to 18M. Trading Nurse with retention and buying out Campbell is way too much dead cap for a team that wants to win now (Neal, Brown's bonus, Perry's bonus). Leon's line needs a Bouchard to outlet the puck. Nurse is not that guy.

Keeping Nurse and Campbell is the equivalent of 10M of dead cap space is how I look at it. Campbell is just unplayable. Nurse is giving you a 4M D performance, although can arguing be worse, because you need to waste all kinds of time finding him a partner to babysit him and perfectly compensate for his play, which will probably start declining now as he gets slower.

If you can trade Campbell, for sure do it, but his value to the team to keep him is probably negative 1M of cap space .

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Trouba is worse than Nurse. So if we add anything, we’d be fleeced.

Agreed, but those are the "optics" of it.


Also, they gave him a NTC, nucks killing it

 

[TheNumber4]

Agreed, but those are the "optics" of it.


Also, they gave him a NTC, nucks killing it

Yeh I’d agree. The optics are complete BS though. Trouba is horrific and not enough people realize. Whereas Nurse is treated like a 9M cap dump.

 

[McTonyBrar]

The Rangers say "How many 1st round picks are you adding?"

Man wow you guys underrate Nurse so badly. When Nurse is on his game, Trouba is nowhere near him in terms of overall play. You guys just refuse to see it because of the salary

 

[Canovin]

Man wow you guys underrate Nurse so badly. When Nurse is on his game, Trouba is nowhere near him in terms of overall play. You guys just refuse to see it because of the salary

You can also say when Trouba is on his game, he's also better than Nurse by a mile. He's also been better for most of his career

 

[Broberg Speed]

I don't understand this forums' insecurity over admitting the Canucks have a very good hockey team. Because they do.

Man wow you guys underrate Nurse so badly. When Nurse is on his game, Trouba is nowhere near him in terms of overall play. You guys just refuse to see it because of the salary

Actually you saying this ad nauseum is getting old. Dude.

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't understand this forums insecurity over admitting the Canucks have a very good hockey team.


Actually you saying this ad nauseum is getting old. Dude.

It’s not insecurity. It’s who gives a f***.

 

[CupofOil]

Trouba is worse than Nurse. So if we add anything, we’d be fleeced.

Did you look at their contracts? 5 years extra of Nurse anchor contract says that the Oilers are adding significantly, not to mention that the Rangers add $1.25m of cap the next 2 seasons. A contending team GM would have to be insane, or drunk or high, to take on that Nurse contract. Rebuilding team is a different story so maybe there's like a 1% that a team like the Hawks or Sharks take it, with retention and picks attached of course.

 

[foshizzle]

Man wow you guys underrate Nurse so badly. When Nurse is on his game, Trouba is nowhere near him in terms of overall play. You guys just refuse to see it because of the salary

Nurse is not being underrated- he is a bad defenceman. Both analytics and the eye test bear this out.

 

[Broberg Speed]

It’s not insecurity. It’s who gives a f***.

gauging from your immediate emphatic response....

 

[oobga]

I don't understand this forums' insecurity over admitting the Canucks have a very good hockey team. Because they do.

If they do it again next year when the PDO falls back to earth from infinity this year, I will give him some kudos. I don't think that happens though.

It's not insecurity to know that teams get crazy lucky years and fall off the next season all the time. I'm actually very happy to see the Canucks paying players max dollars for miracle years.

 

[Faelko]

Why aren’t they just ripping the bandaid off and buying out Campbell? If JJ pulls off a trade I’ll be absolutely shocked

 

[TheNumber4]

gauging from your immediate emphatic response....

It means exactly what it means. Who gives a f***.

 

[Broberg Speed]

It means exactly what it means. Who gives a f***.

x2

 

[TheNumber4]

Did you look at their contracts? 5 years extra of Nurse anchor contract says that the Oilers are adding significantly, not to mention that the Rangers add $1.25m of cap the next 2 seasons. A contending team GM would have to be insane, or drunk or high, to take on that Nurse contract. Rebuilding team is a different story so maybe there's like a 1% that a team like the Hawks or Sharks take it, with retention and picks attached of course.

I haven’t just comparing player to player. Nurse is better. But you’re right, his contract is longer and more expensive. In a vacuum though, I’d rather have 9.25M Nurse for a year vs. Trouba at 8M for a year.

 

[cruisecity]

Yesterday was the first time I’ve seen a post from you so stop lying. Either be honest or get out. Seriously unbelievable

How would you feel if you hadn't ate breakfast today?

 

[Heavy Dee]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806419867350057022

 

[Canovin]

Perfect example of Nurse getting traded 1 for 1 is the PLD and Kuemper trade. A team taking a chance on a young player with lots of prime years left. Nurse developed slower so there's still "lots in the tank left". Teams will take chances on that. It comes down to Nurse waiving to the right team

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806419867350057022

That's an easy yes

 

[Broberg Speed]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806419867350057022

absolutely

and it would work out for both teams

 

[cruisecity]

I haven’t just comparing player to player. Nurse is better. But you’re right, his contract is longer and more expensive. In a vacuum though, I’d rather have 9.25M Nurse for a year vs. Trouba at 8M for a year.

Agree to disagree. Trouba strikes fear into the opposition, Captains the best club in the league last year for the regular season. If we're going to have a player like that on our roster, I'm taking Trouba all day. He genuinely strikes fear into the opposition in a way Nurse never will or has. Way cheaper, more physical, better leader. It's a no brainer.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806419867350057022

Yes, hahaha. San Jose could take McLeod for free on his own.

 

[timekeep]

In the games against the Oilers. Didn't look that good.

Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, Rakell, Guentzel, Letang, Rust. That's still a good supporting cast. Better than a lot of teams

I heard as they want to meet together, with the new GM, to discuss the direction the team is going to go not to discuss their contracts and take the same deal as you mentioned.

If JJ is not panicked to sign Leon, he probably knows that he likely to resign here. Leon might be waiting to see what the cap looks like next year and sign then. Similar to Matthews.

 

[McDNicks17]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1806419867350057022

Hell, I'd even throw in XB or a pick too.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Perfect example of Nurse getting traded 1 for 1 is the PLD and Kuemper trade. A team taking a chance on a young player with lots of prime years left. Nurse developed slower so there's still "lots in the tank left". Teams will take chances on that. It comes down to Nurse waiving to the right team


That's an easy yes

I could see him flourishing in a much more structured system like say Nashville. Nurse for Josi? Lol

 

[TheNumber4]

Agree to disagree. Trouba strikes fear into the opposition, Captains the best club in the league last year for the regular season. If we're going to have a player like that on our roster, I'm taking Trouba all day. He genuinely strikes fear into the opposition in a way Nurse never will or has. Way cheaper, more physical, better leader. It's a no brainer.


Yes, hahaha. San Jose could take McLeod for free on his own.

Irrelevant post. I’m here to read thoughts by Oilers fans that have the best interests of the team in mind.