Bob Stauffer says the Oilers won’t be making a change in net but they will be adding a top 4 defender. He also says the bottom six needs a new dimension and is talking about switching players
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Bob Stauffer is ripping Kelly Sutherland for how he reacted when he gave Nurse the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and thinks officials need to have some thick skin at times.
THANK YOU BOB. He’s not happy with how Skinner played last game. Bob said the Oilers forward is not built good for the playoffs. He believes two more changes are needed for the third line and 4th line
THANK YOU BOB. He’s not happy with how Skinner played last game. Bob said the Oilers forward is not built good for the playoffs. He believes two more changes are needed for the third line and 4th line
McDNicks17
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Who needs goaltending when you can trade for a defenseman with some of the worst defensive results in the entire league(Matheson)?
Jimmi McJenkins
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That's Cody Ceci, Cody Ceci has those. They aren't trading for him.
To be expected, of course they won't do anything in net. It's the Oilers. They're more interested in being a science experiment (how close can you get to a Cup with bargain bin goaltending) than they are about actually winning it all.
Amazing with a front office this bright that McDavid and Draisaitl don't have 2-3 Cups already.
CanadasTeam99
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Basically waving the white flag. COnnor should run if goaltending screws them this playoffs. Don't sign back here to waste the rest of your prime bud
McDNicks17
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Matheson's metrics over the past three seasons are actually way worse than Ceci's haha.
Like we're talking bottom 10 in the league bad if it weren't for Ducks/Sharks players.
Dazed and Confused
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I think the plan very much is to not have Skinner (or Arvidsson) with a clear home on the roster.
As we have seen the past couple of years, the playoffs are a massive grind and there's zero chance your starting top 6 / top 9 gets through it unscathed. Having a legit spare at the ready is necessary.
Also coming from Buffalo and being as hungry as he is for any playoff action (plus all his buyout $$$), I don't think Skinner minds being dealt a poor hand and non-guaranteed role as much as guy like Brassard a few years back.
So trading for a top 4 Dman which will give the Oilers the best top 4 D core since 2005-2006 is a mistake?
McDNicks17
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Trading for one of the worst defensive "top4" defensemen in the league and expecting it to improve the team defensively is definitely a very obvious mistake.
Of course not, why try something different when you have the absolute worst starter in the league playing like the absolute worst starter again?
This really gives legs to the theory that Schwartz is for some reason in charge of all goaltending decisions, he'd never throw his old pupil under the bus because it would be the end for him, but it means we (and Bowman) are stuck with a terrible player at the absolute most important position.
Very true, but don't tell the geniuses who apparently thought highly of Brown and Dermott that.
Jimmi McJenkins
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I mean I don't believe that for a second, also the Habs might not have been as good as the Oilers over those years. Maybe just a little different.
Remember Justin Schultz as a #1 defenseman during the decade of darkness? Because I do.
This front office isn't going to do anything any how in net and they will pay the price for it, as if Mike Matheson is the missing piece, lulz, what a joke. Should have just matched Broberg and retained a better player.
Now they're likely going to pay a 1st+ to bring in this guy and Skinner will continue to shit the bed every 4th or 5th start (and that's a good stretch for him, a bad stretch is worse).
Took a pill in Sbisa
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McDNicks17
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He also leads them in GA/60 and he and his partner lead them in xGA/60.
If Skinner is so desperate to play in the playoffs he's going to have to do a lot better than what we saw last night. That was playoff levels of forecheck and physicality and he flailed and ended up benched.
He's been playing better lately, but I see problems on the horizon if he's on a 3rd or 4th line.
Think those defensive metrics will look a whole lot better when he's on a team that can actually play in the other end and is in a 4th/5th D man role and not a 1/2 role?
He's a middle pair player playing as a #1 on arguably the worst team in the league. It's frankly impossible to put up nice looking analytics numbers in that scenario.
timekeep
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McDNicks17
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You aren't giving up premium assets for a $5M defenseman with term to play him in a depth role.
He's played 8 more minutes against elite competition than Kulak. If anything, the second pairing here will be a tougher role than he's playing right now.
Dazed and Confused
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Matheson's not my first choice, but he would be a decent fit. Montreal basically drowns him in usage, and although he's not a #1 that's basically how they've used him the last few years.
One element of his I would welcome is his puck handling. The Oil don't really have a guy that excels at carrying the puck, puckhandling, and actively attacking the opposition.
Oilers will spend on every position, they'll pay generously out the ass for Matheson to Montreal (1st 2026 and 2nd 2025 incoming ahoy) when they could have just kept Broberg, I'm sure they'll do their token bull shit to also spend for a 4C or some shit, but they will never, ever spend any assets on goaltending.
I think they were even a little sour they had to spend anything to bring in Talbot even though Sather was the one doing them a favor.
The last time this team spent anything significant to acquire a goalie was Dwayne Roloson, a move that would have won them a Cup had he not gotten hurt.
I think they were even a little sour they had to spend anything to bring in Talbot even though Sather was the one doing them a favor.
The last time this team spent anything significant to acquire a goalie was Dwayne Roloson, a move that would have won them a Cup had he not gotten hurt.
Difference is he's not going to have a rookie and/or replacement level player beside him, and he's going to be part of a lineup that plays in the other end of the ice. It makes no sense to suggest that bad metrics in a feature role over his head on a terrible team is going to = bad metrics in a tertiary role on an elite team. Drop any middle pair player in this league on that team, make them the #1 and play them with a 5'8 rookie rover and you're not going to get very good returns.
I am certainly giving up premium assets for a $5M defensemen to play in a depth role because that is exactly what we need. $5M is market rate for a middle pair player, which he is. Whoever we get is going to play as the #4 or #5, and I don't think it makes any sense to go bargain bin shopping for that position.
Behind Enemy Lines
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist and don't believe Schwartz is some sort of Rasputin power to doltify the organization's leadership group and team. Jackson has been an interventionist CEO immediately upon the organization so he's not afraid to make big changes.
Reality is Jackson has actively promoted building a modern NHL organization that is information based in its decision making. Knoblauch is also an analytic fluent coach. So I have to believe they are comfortable with Skinner and the head coach has called him their best player several times in recent games. I doubt either or Bowman either who's analytically inclined would blindly defer to Schwartz if their information, likely far deeply than public, tells another story.
Now, I'm not a big Skinner believer but he's between the pipes because this organization spent very badly on Jack Campbell. I'd love a quality #1 veteran upgrade with less volatility than a developing phase Skinner but this organization's leadership bet its cap space to build forward depth.
Goaltending has been an after thought (other than the Campbell debacle spend) for a decade - at the NHL level recycling deeply baked veteran goaltenders other than a good run by Talbot (who's largely been a short-term journeyman since) and opting needle in the haystack volume lottery ticket approach which has only netted Skinner as an NHL level goalie.
McDNicks17
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Well, it's consistently bad results and an obviously poor defensive skill set that would keep me miles away from Matheson. His decision making is always at a "bad Nurse" level.
If you're giving up premium assets, you might as well as actually target someone that's a good fit. More terrible defensive hockey IQ is kind of the last thing this team needs. It's already their achilles heel on most night when Skinner isn't letting in every other shot.
Drowns him with usage? Hes the 3rd most 5on5 minutes.
