Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[bellagiobob]

Dallas has been one of the better defensive teams in recent history. That system definitely allowed for Klingberg to produce offensively but they werent able to hide hks warts when healthy. Maybe he needs a change of scenery but it's not like he was a product off a poor system for a bad team.



I think you might be missing my point. I wouldn't be surprised if he should be better than what he was with the Leafs (assuming he is healthy).

My concern is that Klingberg was a very polarizing player in Dallas. Klingberg had 115 points in 180 games in his last 3 seasons with Dallas. However, he was also a combined -53 during that time. He's never been a guy who has been known for his defensive play.

He was saying his hip issues really caused him grief in his own zone, and he’s had the issue for a long time now. So will be interesting to watch. It’s like found money, if it works, then great. If not, move onto the next target.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

In a vacuum Evans is better, but in a bottom 6 that features Henrique/RNH, Janmark, Brown, Skinner, Kapanen, Perry, I think Bjudstad's size is needed.

Though so far it looks like Philp is winning the job.

Bjudstad's tallness is overrated

 

[Louis Cypher]

Bjudstad's tallness is overrated

He got 17 goals between us and them and then 22 the next year.

 

[McDoused]

He was saying his hip issues really caused him grief in his own zone, and he’s had the issue for a long time now. So will be interesting to watch. It’s like found money, if it works, then great. If not, move onto the next target.

100% that's why I've been pushing for him since the rumors of his return started. At that time, majority of posters were not on board. Somehow, the guy hasn't even played a game and we're now penciling him into the top 4 and even considering trading Bouchard. It's quite the turntables.

 

[North]

100% that's why I've been pushing for him since the rumors of his return started. At that time, majority of posters were not on board. Somehow, the guy hasn't even played a game and we're now penciling him into the top 4 and even considering trading Bouchard. It's quite the turntables.

It’s not like Klingberg was some sort of defensive stalwart before the injury so I’m not sure why some people have their hopes that high.

 

[Messier11]

$10 million with the increase in cap would be like Nurse getting $13 million probably. If we can get him for $10 million you take it and run.

Not so sure about this statement. What are you taking and running with? A guy who arguably is not a reliable defenceman day in and day out? A guy who gives up on plays? A guy who in a span of a several games will make the same dumb cross ice pass in his defensive zone when the safer up the boards play is available to him? Are we running with the gut who cannot get himself set up this season for the one time shot which is is his only real marketable asset?

I am sorry, but there are WAY better players who could be available for less money. We are smarter to send a message that we won't tolerate anything but your best. 97 deserves no less as do other teammates.

This has nothing to do with what you have "done" for us in the past. The past is gone. What is he doing now and what will he do moving forward? Based on his resume this year, sweet f all. Only idiots reward that level of stupidity (referring to our management if they do this). I would be ok with a $4.5M bridge deal, but even that....FFS, you can get so much more from others.

 

[Messier11]

100% that's why I've been pushing for him since the rumors of his return started. At that time, majority of posters were not on board. Somehow, the guy hasn't even played a game and we're now penciling him into the top 4 and even considering trading Bouchard. It's quite the turntables.

Agree. But I think the fact that he is healthy bodes well, especially given that there was one media person who commented on his scrimmage against McDavid. I think a whole combination of things work in our favour here....member of the Oiler's Swedish House Mafia, a rebirth of his health and game (think Kane, Perry, etc), and a chance to be on a contender. Like 6 planets aligning this month, the stars (pun intended) are aligning here for him.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He got 17 goals between us and them and then 22 the next year.

Fair, but yeah, the Oilers should look in a different direction in that spot. I want someone with more intensity in their game.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

What ever happened to Nikita Tryamkin? Why did he leave the NHL?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Not so sure about this statement. What are you taking and running with? A guy who arguably is not a reliable defenceman day in and day out? A guy who gives up on plays? A guy who in a span of a several games will make the same dumb cross ice pass in his defensive zone when the safer up the boards play is available to him? Are we running with the gut who cannot get himself set up this season for the one time shot which is is his only real marketable asset?

I am sorry, but there are WAY better players who could be available for less money. We are smarter to send a message that we won't tolerate anything but your best. 97 deserves no less as do other teammates.

This has nothing to do with what you have "done" for us in the past. The past is gone. What is he doing now and what will he do moving forward? Based on his resume this year, sweet f all. Only idiots reward that level of stupidity (referring to our management if they do this). I would be ok with a $4.5M bridge deal, but even that....FFS, you can get so much more from others.

Lmao, 4.5m? You won’t find a D anywhere close to bouchards level of play for 4.5m.

This fanbase is really clueless on how many good things Bouchard does for the team.

 

[oXo Cube]

This conversation is especially hilarious because the type of fan that doesn't like Evan Bouchard is going to hate John Klingberg.

 

[brentashton]

Lmao, 4.5m? You won’t find a D anywhere close to bouchards level of play for 4.5m.

This fanbase is really clueless on how many good things Bouchard does for the team.

Agreed.

Teams will be lining up to sign Bouchard at 9mil if the Oilers don’t. He has warts. He also has some very special skills that are hard to find. I’m ok,with the cap increase, to put him in at 9.5. He has devalued his contract a bit with his play this season, but not to the depths of dropping him to 4.5m. If hes lowballed, you open up to another RFA raid or a second short bridge and then you lose him altogether in UFA. Get a 5 year deal done.

 

[CupofOil]

If you want toughness that might be useful, Brandon tanev is out there and Michael McCarron, they would make the team harder to play against in those really rough and tumble games

McCarron I have little interest in, don't know what people see in him outside of being big and stuff, but I'd be really interested in Tanev. Him at a reduced number would be a nice add assuming it doesn't cost more than a 3rd or something like that.

 

[iCanada]

Reflecting on it - I have a feeling that the Avs panic traded Rantanen because they got a call from Carolina who said they were close with Vancouver on Miller or Petterson. I bet they could have made it work, but they weren't sure so they just hedged their bets and then the local media made a bunch of bs up.

This is why it was huge that Draisaitl signed in the off-season, by the way. We could have been in that exact position.

 

[oXo Cube]

Reflecting on it - I have a feeling that the Avs panic traded Rantanen because they got a call from Carolina who said they were close with Vancouver on Miller or Petterson. I bet they could have made it work, but they weren't sure so they just hedged their bets and then the local media made a bunch of bs up.

This is why it was huge that Draisaitl signed in the off-season, by the way. We could have been in that exact position.

Maybe hot take, but the Oilers would never have let it get to the season IMO. Leon would have been traded by training camp if there wasn't at least significant progress on an extension.

Thank god that was never a serious concern.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Klingberg wasn't brought in to play defense. Not sure why so many ppl are focusing on that?
We have enough defense between Nurse Ek, Emb and Kulak

He was brought in to extend offensive pressure.

 

[CupofOil]

At this point the cup is the only goal. I suspect that we all agree and that the team does as well.

Where I disagree is the statement that they have had opportunities to patch the wholes and did not. We have no idea what opportunities that they have ignored and which they have pursued but were not able to complete. But I don't see any moves made yet by other teams this year that I think would have made a real difference that the Oilers passed up.

I'd be happy to hear one or two examples of impactful moves that other teams have made so far that you think the Oilers should have done.

Fabbro.
He got waived to suffice to say that a mere late round pick thrown their way would have sealed the deal. I have no idea why the Oilers were in on this but what can you do, what's done is done. Just saying that there was at least one opportunity for a meaningful upgrade staring them right in the face.
Carrier is another one. Fowler but he had a NMC so that was probably always a no go. Regardless, there were guys out there to be had.

 

[russ99]

Klingberg wasn't brought in to play defense. Not sure why so many ppl are focusing on that?
We have enough defense between Nurse Ek, Emb and Kulak

He was brought in to extend offensive pressure.

Yeah, and with a defense corps with one quality own zone defender Ekholm (who looks off and is playing a lot more minutes), that's a concern.

And please spare me the #1 defense nonsense. Yeah they have the best goal share and xG, but when the postseason comes, and the game tightens up, teams forecheck hard and refs swallow their whistles, all the "entry denial", zone exits and stretch passes in the world aren't going to be able to hold a 1 goal lead when penned into our own zone.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Klingberg wasn't brought in to play defense. Not sure why so many ppl are focusing on that?
We have enough defense between Nurse Ek, Emb and Kulak

He was brought in to extend offensive pressure.

lol why be a defender if you can’t defend? It should not be either/ or

 

[Oilslick941611]

He got 17 goals between us and them and then 22 the next year.

I liked him but he seems like a bad mercenary. Going back to Arizona after us put a bad taste in my mouth. Not because he left us but because he went to back Arizona, a nothing team with no future, no playoff hopes. Sounds like a guy just in it for a paycheck

 

[The Nuge]

What ever happened to Nikita Tryamkin? Why did he leave the NHL?

Left because he was a bottom pairing dman who wanted to be a top 4 dman. He’s probably never coming back.

Reflecting on it - I have a feeling that the Avs panic traded Rantanen because they got a call from Carolina who said they were close with Vancouver on Miller or Petterson. I bet they could have made it work, but they weren't sure so they just hedged their bets and then the local media made a bunch of bs up.

This is why it was huge that Draisaitl signed in the off-season, by the way. We could have been in that exact position.

Definitely could see that being the case. It’s not like it was a great offer, but maybe Rantanen wasn’t drawing the same interest you’d expect because most contenders can’t afford to extend him for 14 million this summer. If that’s the case, and you might be losing your main trade partner, you basically have to either pay Rantanen, or just take what you can get before it’s gone too.

Klingberg wasn't brought in to play defense. Not sure why so many ppl are focusing on that?
We have enough defense between Nurse Ek, Emb and Kulak

He was brought in to extend offensive pressure.

Exactly. And it’s not like guys like Karlsson and Hughes were/are these defensive beasts either (Eg Hughes is 10th in SH TOI/G on the Canucks, ahead of only a rookie with one game played). Klingberg will help us move the puck up the ice more than guys like Brown or Dermott
anyways

 

[Canovin]

Fabbro.
He got waived to suffice to say that a mere late round pick thrown their way would have sealed the deal. I have no idea why the Oilers were in on this but what can you do, what's done is done. Just saying that there was at least one opportunity for a meaningful upgrade staring them right in the face.
Carrier is another one. Fowler but he had a NMC so that was probably always a no go. Regardless, there were guys out there to be had.

Those guys are playing well on bubble teams. The Oilers need someone better than them for the #4 spot.

 

[iCanada]

Definitely could see that being the case. It’s not like it was a great offer, but maybe Rantanen wasn’t drawing the same interest you’d expect because most contenders can’t afford to extend him for 14 million this summer. If that’s the case, and you might be losing your main trade partner, you basically have to either pay Rantanen, or just take what you can get before it’s gone too.

Yeah - if they don't trade Rantanen for Necas they basically have no market for him; only a contender would want him, and no contender really has the cap to make it work outside of Carolina or is in the West which is a shit show. It's a shit show as it is - but like Avs fans would riot if he was traded to Vegas for example.

No non-contender is trading for an expiring Rantanen mid season.

So if they weren't confident on getting a deal done, and Carolina is telling you they're maybe piling the trigger on Miller or EP40 - you're between a rock and a hard place.

I think the better move is still probably keeping Rantanen for the playoffs run and trying to get him signed before ufa, but maybe they had an extreme lack of warm and fuzzies. I see the logic.

But I think it's a huge error in general - they should have had Rantanen locked up in the summer like we did with Draisaitl.

 

[Mikey71]

I liked him but he seems like a bad mercenary. Going back to Arizona after us put a bad taste in my mouth. Not because he left us but because he went to back Arizona, a nothing team with no future, no playoff hopes. Sounds like a guy just in it for a paycheck

I don't want him back either, but there is more to his decision, I assume. If I am not mistaken, his family stayed back in Arizona when he was dealt here. When he was a free agent at the end of the season and had to make his decision on where to go, already having his family set up and settled in to one option must weigh heavily on his choice.

If he signed somewhere else that had no hope of contending but also was not where his family already was, then I totally agree with you. It would have to have been all for the money alone. The difference between what he got from them and what he would have got from us, when factoring in family stability, I can't say I would have done anything different than he did. Unless of course they did decide to move up to Edmonton for what, 1 or 2 years?

I don't want him at the deadline because I want a player that has size and uses it. Him walking away from us is not the reason why I wouldn't want him back. Off ice factors matter and are understandable, especially when you break it down more.

 

[VeteranPresence]

I'd be happy to hear one or two examples of impactful moves that other teams have made so far that you think the Oilers should have done.

Fabbro, Carrier, Kovacevic, Blackwood. The moves were there but Bowman and Jackson were too busy scouring waivers and the rehab pile to part with actual assets.