Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Fabbro, Carrier, Kovacevic, Blackwood. The moves were there but Bowman and Jackson were too busy scouring waivers and the rehab pile to part with actual assets.

So they wouldn't have won the claim for Fabbro, Carrier was traded out of the blue (other teams have literally said as much) and Kovacevic was so good Montreal, who employed him all of last year after a waiver claim, let him walk, no reason to think that he was on the radar to be 2RD.

Blackwood is interesting, but the Avs were just more desperate than the Oilers, because they other guy they trade for and immediately gave a big extension to wasn't working out.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

But then



That's a choice lol


Fair enough, I thought he played better defense.

Skinner has a fantastic game and gets scratched…

 

[Canovin]

I tend to ignore the bubble. If you look at Nurse- the less he plays in zone defense the better player he is. Ceci couldn’t move the puck to save his life. Klingberg is an excellent puck mover and good at puck retrievals- which allows Nurse to be more aggressive. Knob and Coffey also believe in the possession game- the more you have the puck the less you play defence. Oilers are already first in the league on that front- adding Klingberg will only help. The more you have the puck the less defence you play.


Dream has to be somewhat realistic. 34 year old Karlsson is still excellent and hasn’t lost a step. The oilers don’t need much

If Pittsburgh can retain 5M on Karlsson for 2 years. I prefer they retain 2.5M on Rakell for 3 years instead. The Oilers make a trade for Marcus Petterson and have a 3rd team retain 2M.

That's 4.5M for Rakell and Marcus Petterson

 

[alphahelix]

So they wouldn't have won the claim for Fabbro, Carrier was traded out of the blue (other teams have literally said as much) and Kovacevic was so good Montreal, who employed him all of last year after a waiver claim, let him walk, no reason to think that he was on the radar to be 2RD.

Blackwood is interesting, but the Avs were just more desperate than the Oilers, because they other guy they trade for and immediately gave a big extension to wasn't working out.

Carrier was in trade rumours for the past year or so for one reason or another. As much as that specific trade may have surprised teams, proactive GMs should have had a line in on him - like we did with Ekholm last year. Kovacevic would have been a nice replacement for Vinny at least (while Josh Brown very obviously was useless). Blackwood was interesting.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Carrier was in trade rumours for the past year or so for one reason or another. As much as that specific trade may have surprised teams, proactive GMs should have had a line in on him - like we did with Ekholm last year. Kovacevic would have been a nice replacement for Vinny at least (while Josh Brown very obviously was useless). Blackwood was interesting.

You mean because he was a pending UFA up until he signed an extension at last year's deadline? Lolz.

Skinner has a fantastic game and gets scratched…

Yeah that's bleak, they should really move him if they can't use him.

 

[alphahelix]

You mean because he was a pending UFA up until he signed an extension at last year's deadline? Lolz.

Yes but obviously he was still available. Happens sometimes, team pivots to other bigger adds (Marchessault, Stamkos?) or just doesn’t do very well and the GM is ready to tear it down (see press conferences). Sometimes its just that the team didnt want to let the player walk but they also weren’t happy with the price they paid, or they realized in negotiations that while the player was willing to sign short term they didnt want to sign/stay long term. If you want a player, unless they sign an 8 year full NMC, you keep a line in on them until the GM tells you to f*** off. Nashville has been clear in signalling that they are not certain about staying the course. With their recent win streak TDL will be interesting. Pretty sure Ekholm specifically said Carrier would be a great add at one point too.

 

[Stauf4Prez]

Trade incoming...

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Yes but obviously he was still available.

There's little to suggest this, you're kind of navel gazing about presenting it like it's some hard facts. lolz.

 

[VeteranPresence]

So they wouldn't have won the claim for Fabbro

So make a trade for him then, Nashville would've welcomed any asset over nothing.

Carrier was traded out of the blue (other teams have literally said as much)

It's Bowman's job to have good relationships with other GMs, if he's not in the loop he's not fit for the job.

and Kovacevic was so good Montreal, who employed him all of last year after a waiver claim, let him walk, no reason to think that he was on the radar to be 2RD.

Kovacevic was traded from Montreal to New Jersey for a late pick. This is where good pro scouting comes in. Unfortunately we have Zack Kassian, the former commish of the NWHL, and an Oilers lifer with no other qualifications running that department.

Blackwood is interesting, but the Avs were just more desperate than the Oilers, because they other guy they trade for and immediately gave a big extension to wasn't working out.

They recognized they had a problem and paid the price to fix it. That's where our organizations differ- the Avs will proactively go out and find solutions. It may take a few tries to find the right one, but they are active in the marketplace and willing to admit they made mistakes (Georgiev for example). Our GMs dating back to Chiarelli are reactive at best however, and delusional at worst. This is why, again, Colorado has a Cup in recent memory and we do not. Bowman has shown no signs of breaking from this pattern which should worry all of us.

 

[K1984]

So make a trade for him then, Nashville would've welcomed any asset over nothing.



It's Bowman's job to have good relationships with other GMs, if he's not in the loop he's not fit for the job.



Kovacevic was traded from Montreal to New Jersey for a late pick. This is where good pro scouting comes in. Unfortunately we have Zack Kassian, the former commish of the NWHL, and an Oilers lifer with no other qualifications running that department.



They recognized they had a problem and paid the price to fix it. That's where our organizations differ- the Avs will proactively go out and find solutions. It may take a few tries to find the right one, but they are active in the marketplace. Our GMs dating back to Chiarelli are reactive at best, delusional at worst. This is why, again, Colorado has a Cup in recent memory and we do not. Bowman has shown no signs of breaking from this pattern which should worry all of us.

Does "good pro scouting" count for the Emberson and Podkolzin acquisitions, or do we have to ignore those so that we can continue to spin a narrative and be mad?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So make a trade for him then, Nashville would've welcomed any asset over nothing.

Sure, they didn't and NO ONE ELSE DID. I agree, would have been worth exploring they didn't like EVERYONE ELSE.

It's Bowman's job to have good relationships with other GMs, if he's not in the loop he's fit for the job.

No it is f***ing not, Stan's job is to make this the best team it can be. I loath Stan, but you don't get to pin a random assed trade the Preds made on him for not having a Justin Barron to trade or other nonsense.

Kovacevic was traded from Montreal to New Jersey for a late pick. This is where good pro scouting comes in. Unfortunately we have Zack Kassian, the former commish of the NWHL, and an Oilers lifer with no other qualifications running that department.

Again, an NHL tweener who the team that had him previously had him just gave him away. The Oiler had their own in Ty Emberson, so again, it's not a miss it's just how the league works.

They recognized they had a problem and paid the price to fix it. That's where our organizations differ- the Avs will proactively go out and find solutions. It may take a few tries to find the right one, but they are active in the marketplace. Our GMs dating back to Chiarelli are reactive at best, delusional at worst. This is why, again, Colorado has a Cup in recent memory and we do not. Bowman has shown no signs of breaking from this pattern which should worry all of us.

Again, the Avs got desperate and made a move, I get being mad a Stu all the time, but the Oilers just weren't that desperate. Also Blackwood is sliding back towards the mean.

Does "good pro scouting" count for the Emberson and Podkolzin acquisitions, or do we have to ignore those so that we can continue to spin a narrative and be mad?

Nah those are luck, the rest is failure...I guess lol

 

[McTonyBrar]

Trade incoming...

Lol where's that coming from

 

[The Nuge]

I really do think he could be as good as he was at his peak in Dallas.

And talk about motivation! Everyone loves to rip on him for turning down that 7 million. This is his big chance to rewrite the narrative on him

Ya it makes a lot of sense why he would choose us. Beyond getting to play on a contender with his friends, he’s coming to a team where damn near every dman has a career year points wise. Ekholm, Kulak, Ceci, and even kind of Barrie (highest PPG of his career in the shortened season, and also the league leader in dman scoring) all had their best point totals here. A big bounce back year might turn into like a 4x7 contract

Klingberg would hardly be the 1st athlete to claim that now they are “healthy” they’re ready to regain past glory.

Of course he’s going to say these things.

Except he was extremely honest about the rest of his game, explaining how it affected him, and how he knows he wasn’t good defensively the last few years. It seems unlikely to own up to everything, except lie about his hip

 

[Spawn]

Except he was extremely honest about the rest of his game, explaining how it affected him, and how he knows he wasn’t good defensively the last few years. It seems unlikely to own up to everything, except lie about his hip

I’m sure his hip does feel better. I’m just not sold that this is the sole reason he’s struggled for half a decade.

 

[Stauf4Prez]

Lol where's that coming from

Just a gut feeling? I did not cite anything.

 

[The Nuge]

I’m sure his hip does feel better. I’m just not sold that this is the sole reason he’s struggled for half a decade.

Half a decade? We’re only 2 years removed from him being a 50 point, top pairing dman who the Stars tried to sign for 56 million.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I think we'll expect Klingberg in Thursday?

 

[samiam]

Just a gut feeling? I did not cite anything.

Could it just be gas from last night's taco's or something?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I think we'll expect Klingberg in Thursday?

Congrats to Skinner. That’s great.

2nd one is hard though!

 

[Stauf4Prez]

Could it just be gas from last night's taco's or something?

I wish it was taco's. Likely the heavy cream and fresh parm I mixed into the pasta sauce that's throwing me off.

 

[oXo Cube]

Half a decade? We’re only 2 years removed from him being a 50 point, top pairing dman who the Stars tried to sign for 56 million.

That was 3 years ago not 2 and he finished -28. Outscored significantly 5 on 5 and had the highest goals against on a half decent Stars team by a significant margin despite playing 2nd pairing minutes behind a then still passable Ryan Suter.

I'm not trying to be a doomposter or anything but a lot of you have expectations for this player that are ridiculously out of wack.

 

[K1984]

I think we'll expect Klingberg in Thursday?

I'd love nothing more than Pickard playing tonight and Thursday and playing great in both. Give Skinner a week off, then back for Toronto.

Other than it being offensive and ridiculous in principle, the McDavid suspension was probably a good thing in the long run, especially in the context of the 4 Nations. I think we should take the opportunity to rest guys here and there between now and the break if possible. Ekholm is the other 4 Nations player that is critical to us, I think we should also consider giving him a game off here or there in lieu of the break he isn't getting. I feel like he's taken a half step back this year, and at 34 he's a guy that might be subject to running tired as the playoffs move on.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Does "good pro scouting" count for the Emberson and Podkolzin acquisitions, or do we have to ignore those so that we can continue to spin a narrative and be mad?

If adding a #6 D and a low-end #6 F (though I have higher hopes for Podz) are the best moves Bowman can manage, we're in a whole lot of trouble.

Sure, they didn't and NO ONE ELSE DID. I agree, would have been worth exploring they didn't like EVERYONE ELSE.

That isn't an excuse.

No it is f***ing not, Stan's job is to make this the best team it can be. I loath Stan, but you don't get to pin a random assed trade the Preds made on him for not having a Justin Barron to trade or other nonsense.

Stan not making the best moves possible is him not doing his job. That's pretty simple, so yes, missing otu on multiple opportunities to do that is a failing.

Again, an NHL tweener who the team that had him previously had him just gave him away. The Oiler had their own in Ty Emberson, so again, it's not a miss it's just how the league works.

Kovacevic > Emberson, there's really no comparison.

Again, the Avs got desperate and made a move, I get being mad a Stu all the time, but the Oilers just weren't that desperate. Also Blackwood is sliding back towards the mean.

Being proactive isn't desperation. Is it "desperation" to put out a fire in your house, or is it better to let your house burn down?

Nah those are luck, the rest is failure...I guess lol

Again, if we're supposed to be amazed at Bowman adding two lower end pieces who don't address either of the club's concerns, we have extremely low standards and never deserve a Cup here again.

 

[Paralyzer]

Could it just be gas from last night's taco's or something?

Taco: I'll make you a deal. You eat me and I will give you the runs after.

Me: Will you taste good?

Taco: Hell Yeah!

Me: DEAL!

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

If adding a #6 D and a low-end #6 F (though I have higher hopes for Podz) are the best moves Bowman can manage, we're in a whole lot of trouble.



That isn't an excuse.



Stan not making the best moves possible is him not doing his job. That's pretty simple, so yes, missing otu on multiple opportunities to do that is a failing.



Kovacevic > Emberson, there's really no comparison.



Being proactive isn't desperation. Is it "desperation" to put out a fire in your house, or is it better to let your house burn down?



Again, if we're supposed to be amazed at Bowman adding two lower end pieces who don't address either of the club's concerns, we have extremely low standards and never deserve a Cup here again.

Basically you don't understand any of this and are just mad the Oilers aren't 44-4-1 with an extra $5M in cap space, fair enough.