Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | With Klingberg in the Mix Who Are Our 7D After the Deadline?

[timekeep]

It is possible that you missed the implicit

That said, I have this sneaking suspicion that Rantanen signs back with Colorado in the off season.

Now that is an interesting thought

 

[belair]

So it's an opinion and nothing the facts bear out. Cool cool.

If you've monitored Blackwood's career trajectory, it actually runs true. Dating back to his junior career, he's been a wildly inconsistent goalie.

I've always been a fan of him. He's a bigger, athletic goalie with a solid glove hand. But he also crumbled in the playoffs in junior on a team that was expected to contend. And then he proceeded to fall out of favour in New Jersey, a team that had a cushy opening for a starter.

Colorado is rolling the dice. Just like they did on Mittelstadt and now on Necas.

 

[Mr Positive]

At this point the cup is the only goal. I suspect that we all agree and that the team does as well.

Where I disagree is the statement that they have had opportunities to patch the wholes and did not. We have no idea what opportunities that they have ignored and which they have pursued but were not able to complete. But I don't see any moves made yet by other teams this year that I think would have made a real difference that the Oilers passed up.

I'd be happy to hear one or two examples of impactful moves that other teams have made so far that you think the Oilers should have done.

We don't need a superstar RD, but we need more of a clear top 4 talent next to Nurse. Several have been available for little cost. Carrier, Fabbro, Fowler come to mind. And also we see Colorado being so aggressive and it makes it feel like everyone is active

I will say that the fans looking at all this and it feels like a move won't be made. From game 1 I knew that the plan was to wait until the deadline, and imo it is smart to wait. But I like that the fans are keeping up the heat. I do believe it gets noticed. The fans also have very reasonable asks. We are talking trading for Rantanen or Sorokin. It's for very affordable mid tier options

And the moves are coming. Keeping Kane away till playoffs signals it.

 

[Fourier]

The Avs picking up Blackwood and now the Canes with Rantanen.

The Oilers had no chance to make the Ratanen trade since they had no Necas equivalent to send back.

For me the Blackwood trade would not have made a material difference. Historically he has been even more inconsistent than Skinner and if the goal is to be playoff ready Blackwood has no track record to show that he could handle the load any better than Skinner. So what was the plan...Skinner and Blackwood or Pickard and Blackwell. Maybe the former makes the team better but from a cap perspective this year and next it probably had to be the latter. Frankly I think that Blackwood/Pickard is shuffling the deck.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Do you guys think Skinner is here past the deadline?

1000%. This team is built and relies on intangibles.
Skinner will be a rallying point during playoffs

 

[Fourier]

We don't need a superstar RD, but we need more of a clear top 4 talent next to Nurse. Several have been available for little cost. Carrier, Fabbro, Fowler come to mind. And also we see Colorado being so aggressive and it makes it feel like everyone is active

I will say that the fans looking at all this and it feels like a move won't be made. From game 1 I knew that the plan was to wait until the deadline, and imo it is smart to wait. But I like that the fans are keeping up the heat. I do believe it gets noticed. The fans also have very reasonable asks. We are talking trading for Rantanen or Sorokin. It's for very affordable mid tier options

And the moves are coming. Keeping Kane away till playoffs signals it.

Fowler at $4M was most likely a no go especially being a LHD. Carriere might have been a decent add but I don't see him as a big difference maker particularly because at his cap hit if you did not know that Kane was done for the season it would have meant significant additional roster juggling. I would say the same about Fabbro. Now if the Oilers do absolutely nothing at the deadline then one can complain about these missed opportunities. But personally I hope for something more impactful. That is more likely to be possible closer to the deadline.

As to Colorado making moves, they are more out of desperation than some deep plan. Basically they have been throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping for something to stick. Right now I am not at all convinced that they are a better team than when they started.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

1000%. This team is built and relies on intangibles.
Skinner will be a rallying point during playoffs

What intangibles does J skinner have exactly?

 

[foshizzle]

I do prefer the McDavid-Drai-Nuge setup down the middle, but I think it would look even better when Kane's back. Henrique imo is better suited for a scoring winger role with a solid 2-way game. His boots are a bit slow for a shutdown centre role.

I'd like for them to give Savoie a look as well. By all accounts his 2-way game has been great in the AHL and I could see him catching fire with a playmaking centre. Between him, Philp and Kane's return, and maybe 1 more TDL acquisition this team could have as many as 16 forwards they could slot in when roster size is unlimited in the playoffs.

Agree with pretty much everything you said. By the numbers- McDavid produces more without Hopkins on his line. I don’t think Kane is going to be back at all this year. He has done absolutely no training since last season. Not only does he have to get back into physical shape, but he has to rehab still and can’t be on skates for 4-6 weeks (his press conference was a couple of weeks ago- so less that time).

Savoie, from all accounts is the best defensive forward on Bako, and is now scoring as well. I think of Logan Stankoven when I think of Savoie- but Savoie is actually bigger than him.

I would still love Erik Karlsson. He hasnt lost a step and his ability to outlet the puck would absolutely be killer for the second line. It would require a third team to be a broker- but that’s the dream. We also need a third line winger who can score. Love Janmark’s effort- but 1 goal doesn’t cut it

 

[K1984]

What’s funny is that he’s actually playing like a 14M player as well it’s not an overpayment

It’s comical that Draisaitl is being used as a comparable for Rantanen to begin with. No disrespect to Rantanen, but he’s just not in the same league.

Anyone that makes that connection should be laughed out of the room, but instead they lament that Draisaitl “set the market” for that class of player. Rantanen isn’t in that class.

Oh well. Good for us, bad for everyone else.

 

[K1984]

That would be fine if we were the only team looking for D. We’re not. Wasting time trying out yet another bargain bin find is exactly that, wasting time. We know what the team needs and we have the assets to go and get that kind of player, but yet here we are. Pettersson, Provorov and that mythical Ekholm level D could all be gone by the time we finish “evaluating” Klingberg.

It makes me wonder how badly Bowman’s rep is tarnished with his fellow GMs after what happened in Chicago. Are waivers claims, cap dumps and players who could end up on waivers all Stan can manage because that’s the only business his peers want to do with someone who helped aid in a SA coverup? Makes you think.

When do you think more players will be available?

Now, when a lot of teams are still holding out hope they can make it, or closer to the deadline when more teams are eliminated and likely to sell?

Panicking now because “there aren’t many available!” is silly because more are organically going to become available. If anything panic dealing for the one or two guys out there now is dumb. Just end up paying top price for the only player.

 

[K1984]

Man Avalanche management looking like absolute geniuses right now, that’s really who we need to be emulating. Look at them taking swings and doing something while the Oilers just sit on their hands. First they overpay for a goalie and then hand him a big money long term deal after a handful of games and it’s totally paid off, they’ve been getting really solid .850 goaltending lately.

And now they trade their second best player when they’re a wildcard team.

They’re really playing 3D over there.

“Why isn’t Bowman dealing off one of the superstars to create more cap room so the Oilers can be deeper!?”

“What an IDIOT”

Am I doing this right?

 

[McFlyingV]

Agree with pretty much everything you said. By the numbers- McDavid produces more without Hopkins on his line. I don’t think Kane is going to be back at all this year. He has done absolutely no training since last season. Not only does he have to get back into physical shape, but he has to rehab still and can’t be on skates for 4-6 weeks (his press conference was a couple of weeks ago- so less that time).

Savoie, from all accounts is the best defensive forward on Bako, and is now scoring as well. I think of Logan Stankoven when I think of Savoie- but Savoie is actually bigger than him.

I would still love Erik Karlsson. He hasnt lost a step and his ability to outlet the puck would absolutely be killer for the second line. It would require a third team to be a broker- but that’s the dream. We also need a third line winger who can score. Love Janmark’s effort- but 1 goal doesn’t cut it

I think Kane will be back. He has 3.5 months still until playoffs. He might not be ready for game 1 but I think he'll be back at some point. Even a rusty Kane can be a very effective player, and really I don't think it takes as much time as some people think to get your timing back. These guys have been playing this sport for almost 30 years.

I would also like another top 9 or top 6 winger. Preferably someone with good finish and maybe a bit of physicality.

 

[bobbythebrain]

What intangibles does J skinner have exactly?

That he has never been in the playoffs

 

[VeteranPresence]

“Why isn’t Bowman dealing off one of the superstars to create more cap room so the Oilers can be deeper!?”

“What an IDIOT”

Am I doing this right?

If Drai had been a UFA to be I would have hoped Bowman could do as well. As it is, he ended up giving away not one but two RFAs when in a similar pickle, so the evidence is not in his favor.

 

[Zerotonine]

If playoffs started today are first round would be vs the avs. If we don't address goaltending we r in tough the first round.

High octane offenses will give us a run for are money , right now that's avs Vegas and Winnipeg. Amd chances are those r the 3 we will be going against to advance each round and Of course in that order.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

totally off topic, but Tyler Benson without a point for Ornskoldsvik while leading the team in PIM. Am not sure what made me look, but I did. WTF happened to that guy.

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Absolutely horrific skater with no discernable skill. Always chuckled when many around here thought he was getting the shaft.
Blinded by his Bantam AAA stats of all things

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

If Drai had been a UFA to be I would have hoped Bowman could do as well. As it is, he ended up giving away not one but two RFAs when in a similar pickle, so the evidence is not in his favor.

But we signed him instead. Which is the better move.

 

[K1984]

Absolutely horrific skater with no discernable skill. Always chuckled when many around here thought he was getting the shaft.
Blinded by his Bantam AAA stats of all things

Couldn’t have wished him off the team fast enough when he celebrated like he won the cup when he got the lone Oilers goal late during an absolute ass kicking. Forget who beat us, but it was bad.

Never wanted to see him in an Oiler sweater again, and ironically I think he only played a handful of games at most after that.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

If playoffs started today are first round would be vs the avs. If we don't address goaltending we r in tough the first round.

High octane offenses will give us a run for are money , right now that's avs Vegas and Winnipeg. Amd chances are those r the 3 we will be going against to advance each round and Of course in that order.

They are a one line team. At least Skinner is tested in the playoffs. Blackwood has zero. I think we will be fine against the Avs.

 

[Spawn]

The Oilers had no chance to make the Ratanen trade since they had no Necas equivalent to send back.

For me the Blackwood trade would not have made a material difference. Historically he has been even more inconsistent than Skinner and if the goal is to be playoff ready Blackwood has no track record to show that he could handle the load any better than Skinner. So what was the plan...Skinner and Blackwood or Pickard and Blackwell. Maybe the former makes the team better but from a cap perspective this year and next it probably had to be the latter. Frankly I think that Blackwood/Pickard is shuffling the deck.

Skinner and Blackwood would have made a heap of sense, and only didn’t because the Oilers think there are more pressing needs on the roster. There aren’t imo. Goaltending has consistently been the biggest issue this team has had in the playoffs since the one year we had Talbot in net. It will be again this year with no legitimate option to spell of Skinner if he chokes again. Blackwood was also a UFA at the end of the season so there would have been no cap implications for next year.

For some reason this team thinks that spending yet more assets on a top 9 winger or a 4C is a bigger priority. It’s baffling.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

“Why isn’t Bowman dealing off one of the superstars to create more cap room so the Oilers can be deeper!?”

“What an IDIOT”

Am I doing this right?

Yeah one team is near the top of the league and the other team is clinging to a wildcard and actively making their team worse.

But a certain dummy thinks they’re doing a super great job.

 

[brentashton]

If Drai had been a UFA to be I would have hoped Bowman could do as well. As it is, he ended up giving away not one but two RFAs when in a similar pickle, so the evidence is not in his favor.

Let me understand if I have this right…If Bowman didn’t do his job and sign Drai you hope he would do his job and get a kings ransom for Drai by trading him. Lol.

You then cite the not signing of two lesser valued RFAs when he was 2 weeks into the job as “evidence” of his lack of said skills, but gloss over the fact he DID sign a league MVP when he had opportunity to versus McFarlane in Denver??

Which way do you want it??

 

[Oilslick941611]

Let me understand if I have this right…If Bowman didn’t do his job and sign Drai you hope he would do his job and get a kings ransom for Drai by trading him. Lol.

You then cite the not signing of two lesser valued UFAs when he was 2 weeks into the job and lots of as “evidence” of his lacks of said skills, but gloss over the fact he DID sign a league MVP when he had opportunity to versus McFarlane in Denver??

Which way do you want it??

2 guys with 9 and 2 points the previous year.

Its funny how people cry " just get it done" in regards to signing Broberg and Holloway and this guy is totally skipping that Bowman got it done with Drai and then using it against him? What is he even saying. Some people are just so warped and see the worst in the everything, even things they apparently like. Its no wonder the political of today is the way it is.

 

[sepHF]

Couldn’t have wished him off the team fast enough when he celebrated like he won the cup when he got the lone Oilers goal late during an absolute ass kicking. Forget who beat us, but it was bad.

Never wanted to see him in an Oiler sweater again, and ironically I think he only played a handful of games at most after that.

god forbid a guy celebrates his first NHL goal for his home town team after spending years toiling away in the minors

 

[guymez]

What intangibles does J skinner have exactly?

Good question.