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[TheNumber4]

Yes, if the Oilers have access to that accrued space. As discussed earlier in the thread, Puckpedia is claiming the Oilers can’t use that accrued space if Kane is still on LTIR at the trade deadline. Could only use whatever’s remaining of Kane’s $5.1m in LTIR relief.

Should be added it’s not realistic for the Oilers to accumulate that much space by the trade deadline. They can’t run a 20 man roster for the next 6-8 weeks, there will be short term injuries and road trips.

Thanks. Yeh that's how I was thinking. Earlier discussions seemed to imply the Player's cap hit would be pro-rated along with accrued TDL deadline space (assuming we can even use it, which i fully understand is not looking likely).

 

[TKB21]

Every time I watch the Blues it seems like Broberg is getting caved but seems to have a lot of luck going his way. We would have had to wait until August to trade both but there would be a market for both of them that would have been a greater return then what we got. Broberg is currently playing around his contract and Holloway is easily exceeding his right now but let’s see how they do as teams tighten up and more is at stake later in the season.

He has 1 goal and 1 assist in his last 16 games, without the hot start he’s exactly what most people seen him as. A bottom pairing Dman with little offensive production.

 

[McDNicks17]

Thanks. Yeh that's how I was thinking. Earlier discussions seemed to imply the Player's cap hit would be pro-rated along with accrued TDL deadline space (assuming we can even use it, which i fully understand is not looking likely).

The tricky thing with salaries and the cap is it's actually calculated daily, but pretty much everywhere discusses it as an annual thing.

You accrue cap when you're under the daily salary cap and can go over the daily cap using that accrued space.

That's why I could see PuckPedia being correct just because it isn't a couple of lump sums. You don't just spend all the accrued space at once and then hop onto LTIR. You'd have to whittle away at the accrued space and it sounds like that isn't possible while on LTIR.

 

[Zerotonine]

Not sure it's been mentioned but allen Walsh stated the cap should raise to 97 million next season . Significant jump but should be expected with how stagnant the cap was for years... .

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

They should have just matched the offer sheets then trade both players this August for a haul. I have a bigger feeling they didn't match out of spite instead of over cap space, especially for Holloway.

Yeah Broberg was unmatchable. You also can’t blame him. For all he knew that was his one chance at the golden ticket. My guess is they didn’t want Holloway back in the room. He played a game of chicken with his spot on a contender and they didn’t blink. So f*** him.

 

[Jumptheshark]

They should have just matched the offer sheets then trade both players this August for a haul. I have a bigger feeling they didn't match out of spite instead of over cap space, especially for Holloway.

Halloway yes. The 2nd year of Broberg was the problem and still is

 

[McShogun99]

He has 1 goal and 1 assist in his last 16 games, without the hot start he’s exactly what most people seen him as. A bottom pairing Dman with little offensive production.

Once they got Fowler is minutes have dropped. He used to play between 2nd to 4th minutes among Dmen, now he’s playing 3rd to 5th minutes among Dmen. That is more in line with the minutes he would have been playing here.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Erik Brannstrom on waivers again. He would be better than Ty Smith​

 

[TheNumber4]

Does every damn defenseman available have have to be Left handed.

Stupid right handed people, play more hockey and be good at it.

 

[Jarvi]

Erik Brannstrom on waivers again. He would be better than Ty Smith​

I think I would have preferred Smith. AB boy rather than a Swede, we don't seem to have great luck with young Swedish Dmen lately. Someone on the trade board said he can't play RD at all, which idk if Smith has or not, but a negative is worse than a mystery. Smith has also produced better, albeit with better minutes. Half a year younger for whatever it's worth. Probably not a big difference between them though.

I'd take a swing on Brannstrom too, especially if it screws the nucks at all to lose him. Kinda doubt we do since Smith passed through though.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think I would have preferred Smith. AB boy rather than a Swede, we don't seem to have great luck with young Swedish Dmen lately. Someone on the trade board said he can't play RD at all, which idk if Smith has or not, but a negative is worse than a mystery. Smith has also produced better, albeit with better minutes. Half a year younger for whatever it's worth. Probably not a big difference between them though.

I'd take a swing on Brannstrom too, especially if it screws the nucks at all to lose him. Kinda doubt we do since Smith passed through though.

Last 3 years Smith has played 17 games in the NHL vs Brannstrom who has played 178?

We need to stop look at birth certificates to see where people were born. I used to think about that as well but too many times it became a problem and not a solution

 

[Jarvi]

Last 3 years Smith has played 17 games in the NHL vs Brannstrom who has played 178?

We need to stop look at birth certificates to see where people were born. I used to think about that as well but too many times it became a problem and not a solution

You can ask Dubas why he didn't play Smith in the NHL at all after trading Marino for him, despite dressing guys like John Ludvig and Ryan Shea for 30+ games. I personally think Dubas is an idiot so im not gonna expend too much energy into making sense of what he does. Maybe he has good reason though, I'm not gonna pretend I watched any WBS games to scout Smith to know for sure. I just liked him marginally more than Brannstrom from when both were considered high end prospects.

They are both offensive LHD that were on waivers within a day of eachother. I'm not gonna debate which one is better because if one is, it's not by much.

You prefer Brannstrom, I preferred Smith. Odds are the team doesn't pick up either, so let's save ourselves the keystrokes and just agree to disagree.

 

[Jumptheshark]

You can ask Dubas why he didn't play Smith in the NHL at all after trading Marino for him, despite dressing guys like John Ludvig and Ryan Shea for 30+ games. I personally think Dubas is an idiot so im not gonna expend too much energy into making sense of what he does. Maybe he has good reason though, I'm not gonna pretend I watched any WBS games to scout Smith to know for sure. I just liked him marginally more than Brannstrom from when both were considered high end prospects.

They are both offensive LHD that were on waivers within a day of eachother. I'm not gonna debate which one is better because if one is, it's not by much.

You prefer Brannstrom, I preferred Smith. Odds are the team doesn't pick up either, so let's save ourselves the keystrokes and just agree to disagree.

The problem with Smith started during his last few months as a Devil. Smith to me looks more and more like an ahl d man and not an NHL one.--The fact is the Pens had him on the farm for a reason and what few games he got into he struggled

 

[Mr Positive]

Jackson and Bowman are just kind of baffling.

The way the offer sheets were treated and the rhetoric was that they wanted to be flexible and accrue cap space. It felt like they didn’t want to make any moves because they expected Kane back and would need the cap space to put him back on the roster.

But this whole knee injury feels so calculated that he won’t be back for the playoffs. And now kinda seems like we don’t get the cap space accrual.

And Bowman is super vague whenever he talks. I get that he needs to be careful with his words because the NHL would love to screw us but it feels like management is clueless and doesn’t know what they’re doing.

Guess we will see what happens.

It could be that they left options open because they weren't sure about what would happen with Kane. If they are now more sure about Kane riding the LTIR until playoffs maybe they don't care about accrual as much. Of course more space is better but they might view having extra skaters as important to.

 

[TheNumber4]

Can't believe we had to pay a 3rd Rd pick on top of Kesselring for a couple months of Bjugstad. Then Bjugstad goes and resigns at the University of Arizona. Arizona management must have had a field day over that trade, completely fleeced Holland.

I have my suspicions that Kesselring didn't want to be here. But atleast save the 3rd round pick. A young RIGHT HAND D who was pretty much our best showing prospect at the time, should have had his value managed better. In that one preseason only Kesselring looked like a keeper out of the prospects we had.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Can't believe we had to pay a 3rd Rd pick on top of Kesselring for a couple months of Bjugstad. Then Bjugstad goes and resigns at the University of Arizona. Arizona management must have had a field day over that trade, completely fleeced Holland.

I have my suspicions that Kesselring didn't want to be here. But atleast save the 3rd round pick. A young RIGHT HAND D who was pretty much our best showing prospect at the time, should have had his value managed better. In that one preseason only Kesselring looked like a keeper out of the prospects we had.

Yeah, he looked good. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to be here. We don't really give our prospects much of a chance when they show better than some vets. Atrocious move by Holland

 

[harpoon]

Arizona management must have had a field day over that trade, completely fleeced Holland.

You got that right. Holland didn’t want to squeeze anyone but he sure didn’t mind getting squeezed on that deal. What a disaster.

 

[The Nuge]

Can't believe we had to pay a 3rd Rd pick on top of Kesselring for a couple months of Bjugstad. Then Bjugstad goes and resigns at the University of Arizona. Arizona management must have had a field day over that trade, completely fleeced Holland.

I have my suspicions that Kesselring didn't want to be here. But atleast save the 3rd round pick. A young RIGHT HAND D who was pretty much our best showing prospect at the time, should have had his value managed better. In that one preseason only Kesselring looked like a keeper out of the prospects we had.

You have to remember that he was a 3C who came in at a 450k caphit. We had basically no capspace (I think it was like $125 if I recall correctly), and he was pretty much the only option that fit

 

[McDoused]

You have to remember that he was a 3C who came in at a 450k caphit. We had basically no capspace (I think it was like $125 if I recall correctly), and he was pretty much the only option that fit

A 3rd round pick for a 3C and 450k isn't the worst value. I also think a lot of people forget that Kesselring was buried on our depth chart. We had Bouchard, Ceci, Desharnais and Broberg all ahead of him on the depth chart.

 

[TheNumber4]

You have to remember that he was a 3C who came in at a 450k caphit. We had basically no capspace (I think it was like $125 if I recall correctly), and he was pretty much the only option that fit

That's true. And we were operating in the Dead Cap era. Still I wonder if Kesselring + 3rd was needed to rent Bjugstad who ended up going right back to Arizona, as if Arizona didn't lose anything.

Holland was probably like "they are asking for Kesselring, what should I do, oh well I'll just give him to them"

 

[Spawn]

You have to remember that he was a 3C who came in at a 450k caphit. We had basically no capspace (I think it was like $125 if I recall correctly), and he was pretty much the only option that fit

It’s okay to admit it was a terrible move. Bjugstad was ineffective in the playoffs, we got bounced in the 2nd round and Kesselring immediately jumped into the NHL after the Oilers never even bothered to give him a look.

Clearly just another example of the Oilers not having a true understanding of our own prospects.

 

[TheNumber4]

Just to compare @ the same TDL:

The Avs traded a 2nd Rd Pick for Lars Eller ($1M Retained to bring him to 2.5M AAV)
Eller's Year: 60GP - 7G 9A 16PT

We traded:

3rd Rd Pick + Kesselring for Bjugstad (450K Retained to bring him to 450K AAV) + Cam Dineen (LHD C prospect)
Bjugstad's Year: 59GP - 13G 10A 23PT


Like just take Kesselring/Dineen out of the deal altogether. Tell Arizona's GM they can't squeeze Kesselring outta here, and just add an extra 2nd or 3rd to the deal if Arizona is being stingy. Considering what Eller was traded for TWO DAYS earlier, could Arizona really say that's not a fair offer when they are only retaining a measly 450K.

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

What do you think, pick up Brannstrom and have Ekholm mentor him? He has a good offensive game, maybe ekholm can work with him defensively

 

[Jarvi]

The problem with Smith started during his last few months as a Devil. Smith to me looks more and more like an ahl d man and not an NHL one.--The fact is the Pens had him on the farm for a reason and what few games he got into he struggled

Do you just make things up? How much have you really watched him over the past few years? Or are you just assuming because he was in the A for a couple deeper squads, that he can't possibly be NHL caliber for any squad?

His last year in Jersey, pre and post all start numbers don't show any drop off as far as production/toi. He actually did a bit better post AS break. So what is the basis for your theory? Doesn't seem like there is one.

In fact, you earlier in this thread said "I have no idea what happened after 21-22" in regards to Smith, yet now your acting like you scouted this player for years? f*** outta here man.

And fyi, when he has played NHL games, he paces for more production than Brannstrom. Like I said earlier though, probably fairly equivalent players. I'm just not gonna lie and make shit up to try and prove my preferred marginal player is better than yours.