Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's The Beef?

[Oilslick941611]

Or how about just letting it play out instead of being armchair GM with assumptions of what you THINK is going on.

Sorry to come off as a little dickish but the constant complaining around here over things that there's no reason to complain about is getting grating especially during a stretch when this has been one of the best teams in the league.

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It always cracks me up when people here make up scenarios in their heads and then get angry and shit talk the team or the GM over it.


The time to bitch about not making moves is AFTER the deadline guys, not before.


with all the bitching around here you'd think we were a bubble team or not in the playoffs, however we are 2nd in the division and until last night only 4 points out of first.

 

[TheNumber4]

Or how about just letting it play out instead of being armchair GM with assumptions of what you THINK is going on.

Sorry to come off as a little dickish but the constant complaining around here over things that there's no reason to complain about is getting grating especially during a stretch when this has been one of the best teams in the league.

I think some posters need to realize the Decade of Darkness is over with and get over it. And should just try to enjoy what we have going here, even if it’s not perfect (nothing ever is). This team this year and last year is literally the best Oilers we’ve seen in 30 years. If you can’t enjoy this or have any hope for a Cup during this, then that’s probably a you problem and not an oilers problem.

 

[Sanderson]

Does every damn defenseman available have have to be Left handed.

Stupid right handed people, play more hockey and be good at it.

Don't you mean left handed people?
The reason why there are so many left-shooting players, is because right-handed people tend to shoot left-handed. While there are some exceptions, by and large the stronger hand is up top, the hand that stays on the stick at all times. Which leads to more left-handed shooters as there are more right-handed than left-handed people.

 

[TheNumber4]

Don't you mean left handed people?
The reason why there are so many left-shooting players, is because right-handed people tend to shoot left-handed. While there are some exceptions, by and large the stronger hand is up top, the hand that stays on the stick at all times. Which leads to more left-handed shooters as there are more right-handed than left-handed people.

If that’s a thing, then sure. I’m left handed (writing) and shoot left handed though. But I’m not aware if that’s the rule in general.

 

[Canovin]

Don't you mean left handed people?
The reason why there are so many left-shooting players, is because right-handed people tend to shoot left-handed. While there are some exceptions, by and large the stronger hand is up top, the hand that stays on the stick at all times. Which leads to more left-handed shooters as there are more right-handed than left-handed people.

For better puck handling, dominant hand at the top. Which allows for more control as the dominant hand does most of the work

For slap shot, dominant in the middle of the stick.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Puckpedia has caused so much uneccesary confusion lol. They are correct that the Oil cannot use both accrual and LTIR to add a single player totalling $8M AAV but they are omitting what the Oilers can do.

The most important thing is: with Kane on regular IR the Oilers are under the cap.

I believe the Oilers are planning to move Kane off LTIR to regular IR, use their accrued cap space (approx $3M at the deadline as of today according to PuckPedia).

Then once they are as close to the cap upper limit they can move Kane back to LTIR and use that amount if they believe he's not coming back in the regular season.

TLDR: Basically they will have to spend to get as close to the cap either via call up or trade (approx $3M accrued by deadline) and then they can use the approx $5 million of LTIR space from Kane if needed.

Disclaimer: This is my opinion only and should not be taken as financial advice lol

This is what I thought as well but the very cap knowledgeable poster Mouser had said that once Kane is on LTIR he’s on it until he returns to the lineup, you can’t move him back and forth between IR and LTIR.

I think we may be missing something around the ltir limit that is set at the beginning of the season governing when cap space is accrued and how it can be used. Basically even though Kane has been on ltir, when the team is operating with a roster under the 88.5M cap ceiling that includes his cap hit then we are accruing cap space but when we have to go over that and dip into ltir such as periods where we have short term injuries and need to call up an extra body or when we want to run a full 23 man roster, during those periods we are not accruing until a time when we adjust our roster so that Kane’s entire cap hit fits under the 88.5M.

Leading up to the deadline, we can adjust our roster to be under the 88.5M ceiling with Kane’s cap hit and whatever space+space weve accrued over the season can be used to bring in a player who’s cap hit at that point in the season would still keep us under the 88.5M limit. After we should still be able to use Kane’s approx. 5M in ltir space to acquire another player or two in transaction(s) separate from the one we made to use up what we had left under the cap when Kane was under the 88.5M

maybe @Fourier can clarify because I thought I was making sense but after re reading I’m not sure again haha.

 

[Fourier]

This is what I thought as well but the very cap knowledgeable poster Mouser had said that once Kane is on LTIR he’s on it until he returns to the lineup, you can’t move him back and forth between IR and LTIR.

I think we may be missing something around the ltir limit that is set at the beginning of the season governing when cap space is accrued and how it can be used. Basically even though Kane has been on ltir, when the team is operating with a roster under the 88.5M cap ceiling that includes his cap hit then we are accruing cap space but when we have to go over that and dip into ltir such as periods where we have short term injuries and need to call up an extra body or when we want to run a full 23 man roster, during those periods we are not accruing until a time when we adjust our roster so that Kane’s entire cap hit fits under the 88.5M.

Leading up to the deadline, we can adjust our roster to be under the 88.5M ceiling with Kane’s cap hit and whatever space+space weve accrued over the season can be used to bring in a player who’s cap hit at that point in the season would still keep us under the 88.5M limit. After we should still be able to use Kane’s approx. 5M in ltir space to acquire another player or two in transaction(s) separate from the one we made to use up what we had left under the cap when Kane was under the 88.5M

maybe @Fourier can clarify because I thought I was making sense but after re reading I’m not sure again haha.

Honestly, I have no idea what the rule is right now. I am not sure anyone does to be honest.

 

[Canovin]

Oilers(Katz) gotta pay the Gary Bettman tax if we want flexibility of both LTIR(Kane) and accrued cap space

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Oilers(Katz) gotta pay the Gary Bettman tax if we want flexibility of both LTIR(Kane) and accrued cap space

Bettman? It's probably Colin Campbell needs his cut.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

This is what I thought as well but the very cap knowledgeable poster Mouser had said that once Kane is on LTIR he’s on it until he returns to the lineup, you can’t move him back and forth between IR and LTIR.

I think we may be missing something around the ltir limit that is set at the beginning of the season governing when cap space is accrued and how it can be used. Basically even though Kane has been on ltir, when the team is operating with a roster under the 88.5M cap ceiling that includes his cap hit then we are accruing cap space but when we have to go over that and dip into ltir such as periods where we have short term injuries and need to call up an extra body or when we want to run a full 23 man roster, during those periods we are not accruing until a time when we adjust our roster so that Kane’s entire cap hit fits under the 88.5M.

Leading up to the deadline, we can adjust our roster to be under the 88.5M ceiling with Kane’s cap hit and whatever space+space weve accrued over the season can be used to bring in a player who’s cap hit at that point in the season would still keep us under the 88.5M limit. After we should still be able to use Kane’s approx. 5M in ltir space to acquire another player or two in transaction(s) separate from the one we made to use up what we had left under the cap when Kane was under the 88.5M

maybe @Fourier can clarify because I thought I was making sense but after re reading I’m not sure again haha.

I think you're bang on but I might be wrong also lol. The Oil put Kane on LTIR to begin the season for the exact scenario you described and used it when McDavid was hurt.

Also, as long as you can fit the player under the salary cap I do not see why they can't be moved from LTIR to IR. The Oil are under the cap if Kane was on regular IR as of today so I don't see the issue there. The only threshold is number of games missed and Kane meets the minimum for that.

 

[TheNumber4]

Oilers(Katz) gotta pay the Gary Bettman tax if we want flexibility of both LTIR(Kane) and accrued cap space

You think we’d have already paid this by being one of the highest valued franchises and top revenue earners in the League.

But Gary don’t care about that, he cares about his Southern experiments and making hockey work in markets that reject hockey.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Apparently the league is about to investigate this Evander Kane ltir and latest knee operation

This is gonna be comical if we net penalized after vegas and Tampas bullshit the last 3 plus years

Evander Kane will be investigated amidst LTIR concerns

Edmonton Oilers forward Evander Kane will be investigated by a third party NHL physician to ensure the Edmonton Oilers are compliant with the rules

www.oilerscentral.com

I seen an article days ago from a no name blog. The league is doing what is always done if need be.

You only see these little bloggers talk about it because it is Edmonton. We have a lot of bloggers too. Nobody gives two shits about Tampa/Vegas.

I seen a moronic article yesterday with the headline something like "Edmonton has no qualms about a potential Kane investigation". Just click bait articles.

3rd part always looks into these things

 

[McDoused]

The Oilers are going to be doing some cap gymnastics at the deadline.

I'm more worried about the lack of sellers in the east and the cost to acquire those players. Our big acquisition might be a Savard or Jokiharju.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The Oilers are going to be doing some cap gymnastics at the deadline.

I'm more worried about the lack of sellers in the east and the cost to acquire those players. Our big acquisition might be a Savard or Jokiharju.

I don't trust the brain trust too much...Josh Brown 3yr deal lol... but I think they'll do better than that. I don't know that Savard is even on the radar, because he's barely better than Emberson (if he is at all).

 

[Fourier]

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It always cracks me up when people here make up scenarios in their heads and then get angry and shit talk the team or the GM over it.


The time to bitch about not making moves is AFTER the deadline guys, not before.


with all the bitching around here you'd think we were a bubble team or not in the playoffs, however we are 2nd in the division and until last night only 4 points out of first.

I'd go so far as to say you would think that they were a longshot to make it sometimes after a loss. The team has flaws and management makes mistakes. But in a capped world this is pretty much always going to be the case. Supposedly this team had a better first half than any Oiler team since 86-87. They have also won the second most playoff games of any team over the last three years behind only Florida. And yet you really would think they were struggling.

With the cap in place I don't see there ever being a team like the 80's Oilers where anything short of a cup would be a surprise. The cup has to be the absolute goal for this team of course but there is no chance they get there without bumps along the way.

I don't trust the brain trust too much...Josh Brown 3yr deal lol... but I think they'll do better than that. I don't know that Savard is even on the radar, because he's barely better than Emberson (if he is at all).

Yah, Savard could very easily be a huge mistake.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Yah, Savard could very easily be a huge mistake.

Even thinking about him is a mistake. There's no scenario where he makes any sense for Edmonton, even if Montreal ate 50% and paid a 3rd party to eat another 50%.

 

[Fourier]

Apparently the league is about to investigate this Evander Kane ltir and latest knee operation

This is gonna be comical if we net penalized after vegas and Tampas bullshit the last 3 plus years

Evander Kane will be investigated amidst LTIR concerns

Edmonton Oilers forward Evander Kane will be investigated by a third party NHL physician to ensure the Edmonton Oilers are compliant with the rules

www.oilerscentral.com

The guy basically had surgery on every part of his body. If they hit the Oilers for this it would pretty much confirm every conspiracy theory out there about League favoritism.

 

[McAsuno]

Give me a Drew O'Connor and Marcus Pettersson and I'd actually be happy.
Still need a 1B too imo. Really not fond of running back the duo of Skinner/Pickard for the playoffs again.

On a side note, where tf is the dark mode option for the website? Site's way too bright now

 

[Fourier]

Even thinking about him is a mistake. There's no scenario where he makes any sense for Edmonton, even if Montreal ate 50% and paid a 3rd party to eat another 50%.

The NHL is a very conservative league. Teams will give vets like Savard 25 chances before they finally admit that their time has past. Meanwhile if a kid makes a mistake it's pine time for the duration.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The NHL is a very conservative league. Teams will give vets like Savard 25 chances before they finally admit that their time has past. Meanwhile if a kid makes a mistake it's pine time for the duration.

Josh Brown says hi lol

 

[Heavy Dee]

It means nothing right now, the deadline is nearly two months from now so I'm pretty sure there will be changes in the standings between now and then.

Also, you're wrong about the west, it's nothing like the east. There's 7 clear playoff teams that are virtual locks then Vancouver and Calgary battling it out for 8th and a big drop off thereafter. The west playoff spots are almost settled already as crazy as that sounds so there will be plenty of sellers emerging from the west before long and this is with the deadline almost two months away.

Thanks for pointing out where Iam outright wrong. Appreciated

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I wonder if Jeff Skinner would waive to a team that is trying for the playoffs if we add a pick or prospect to move out his salary?

 

[belair]

The Oilers are going to be doing some cap gymnastics at the deadline.

I'm more worried about the lack of sellers in the east and the cost to acquire those players. Our big acquisition might be a Savard or Jokiharju.

It's going to be Romanov and it'll come out of nowhere.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Still can't believe they haven't upgraded Pickard. Alex Lyon please

 

[K1984]

100%

It always cracks me up when people here make up scenarios in their heads and then get angry and shit talk the team or the GM over it.


The time to bitch about not making moves is AFTER the deadline guys, not before.


with all the bitching around here you'd think we were a bubble team or not in the playoffs, however we are 2nd in the division and until last night only 4 points out of first.

The best part is no matter what we do at the deadline there will still be complaints from the same people. When you spend months ranting and raving about how dumb management is and they're blowing every player acquisition opportunity, it's tough to just say "wow they actually did pretty good."

No matter who it is we get there will be some reason its bad, whether its price, wishing they got someone else, "they should have just done X back in 2022," or any number of other goal post moves or captain hindsight analysis.