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[VeteranPresence]

That 9M is only for this year.

A $97M cap?

 

[foshizzle]

The bolded is not actually the way it works. If the Oilers put a player on LTIR during the season the cap that they are at at that point becomes the new ceiling. So it they were at $87M when they put Kane on LTIR that would be their new ceiling. TO accrue space they would have to be under $87M.

At the beginning of the this season the Oilers manipulated their cap so that they were almost exactly at the ceiling. Then they put Kane on LTIR setting their new ceiling at just a hair below the $88.5M number. Then the sent down players so that they were under this new ceiling and hence were accruing space.

We are saying the same thing. I just used hypothetical numbers vs the exact numbers.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I agree with Bruce

 

[Jarvi]

I agree with Bruce

Agreed.

I don't think he is the solution to the D, but it will give us an idea of what our team would look like if we target one of the more offensive, puckmoving LHD rather than a true RHD to partner up with Darnell. Gotta think he is a step or two above Dermott and Brown as well, maybe even Stech.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Smith seems like a guy that needs to get himself established on a weaker team. We don't have time for projects like him IMO. We could use him in the AHL I'm sure but we'd likely have to trade for him once he clears waivers if that's the plan.

 

[TheNumber4]

I never liked Ty Smith. Didn’t like him as a prospect, didn’t like him when he was offered up as a trade target years later. Didn’t think his offence would translate to the NHL. Too reliant on a wrister from the blue line as a prospect. Thought his offensive skills were overrated. And always worried about his size without the necessary skill to overcome it.

That said I can never argue with the cost of FREE. And I always like the home town storyline possibly unlocking something in him. It’s just too bad he’s not a RHD, we’d have a room to take a Flyer on that side. We’re full up on the left side though, doesn’t seem like a fit.

 

[Jarvi]

I never liked Ty Smith. Didn’t like him as a prospect, didn’t like him when he was offered up as a trade target years later. Didn’t think his offence would translate to the NHL. Too reliant on a wrister from the blue line as a prospect. Thought his offensive skills were overrated. And always worried about his size without the necessary skill to overcome it.

That said I can never argue with the cost of FREE. And I always like the home town storyline possibly unlocking something in him. It’s just too bad he’s not a RHD, we’d have a room to take a Flyer on that side. We’re full up on the left side though, doesn’t seem like a fit.

There is smoke out there that we are looking at a #5LHD to platoon with Kulak between anchoring the bottom pair and beside Nurse. I don't love the idea, especially the having Kulak as a #4 part, but this could be a cheap way to test run that idea, trading for a #5 puckmoving LHD rather than a #4 RHD, before the playoffs and see if it's worth investing significant assets into.

Fully healthy, yeah we are stacked at LHD on the main roster. But there is no depth there, 1 injury and we're moving a RH guy to their offside or calling up our only AHL LHD in Cam Dineen. Not ideal. Not that he was anything special, but its why losing Dermott kinda sucked.

 

[TheNumber4]

There is smoke out there that we are looking at a #5LHD to platoon with Kulak between anchoring the bottom pair and beside Nurse. I don't love the idea, especially the having Kulak as a #4 part, but this could be a cheap way to test run that idea, trading for a #5 puckmoving LHD rather than a #4 RHD, before the playoffs and see if it's worth investing significant assets into.

Fully healthy, yeah we are stacked at LHD on the main roster. But there is no depth there, 1 injury and we're moving a RH guy to their offside or calling up our only AHL LHD in Cam Dineen. Not ideal. Not that he was anything special, but it’s why losing Dermott kinda sucked.

Isn’t the theory more-so to test a stay at home 3rd pair LHD vet that could keep one of either Emberson/Stecher afloat in the 3rd pair role. Then see if Nurse-Kulak continues to be a thing?

If Ty Smith just isn’t a viable NHLer at this point I don’t know how much we learn from this experiment. Let’s say he comes in and fails in that role, does it really tell us if say Pettersson or Murphy would fail in that role? I guess we would get a good look at Nurse-Kulak some more though, but we could do that right now.

That said LHD depth as you’ve mentioned isn’t great. So if we can get him through waivers and into the AHL as a depth option maybe the flyer makes sense. I think Ty Smith is a guy who’s going to need to redefine himself, like how Kris Russel was an offensive D-man in juniors and needed to completely change his game to something else in the NHL. That kind of makeover will need time in the AHL. At the cost of free and for a hometown kid, i wouldn’t be opposed to making that bet.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Intriguing player

 

[Jarvi]

Isn’t the theory more-so to test a stay at home 3rd pair LHD vet that could keep one of either Emberson/Stecher afloat in the 3rd pair role. Then see if Nurse-Kulak continues to be a thing?

If Ty Smith just isn’t a viable NHLer at this point I don’t know how much we learn from this experiment. Let’s say he comes in and fails in that role, does it really tell us if say Pettersson or Murphy would fail in that role? I guess we would get a good look at Nurse-Kulak some more though, but we could do that right now.

That said LHD depth as you’ve mentioned isn’t great. So if we can get him through waivers and into the AHL as a depth option maybe the flyer makes sense. I think Ty Smith is a guy who’s going to need to redefine himself, like how Kris Russel was an offensive D-man in juniors and needed to completely change his game to something else in the NHL. That kind of makeover will need time in the AHL. At the cost of free and for a hometown kid, i wouldn’t be opposed to making that bet.

I don't neccessarily disagree with your premise of a stay at home LHD, just that I haven't heard it as much. Like Mike Matheson has been the big name about, and I wouldn't consider him a stay at home guy at all. Who are you thinking?

I kinda think any D we aqcuire needs to be able to move the puck well though. Emberson and Nurse both could use a partner who can help in that regard, and we only have 1 Kulak and Stecher shouldn't be a regular come playoffs, imo. As an aside, I want them to try Ekholm-Emberson for a stretch, but not neccessarily as a pairing through the playoffs.

Like if Smith blows chunks individually, yeah it's hard to tell if it works. But then you just waive him, hope he can go down and help your AHL club and you are in the same position you are now. But if he is adequate and Nurse-Kulak excels, it let's us know that Matheson really could work out well and it adds some depth to a position we need it come playoffs.

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't neccessarily disagree with your premise of a stay at home LHD, just that I haven't heard it as much. Like Mike Matheson has been the big name about, and I wouldn't consider him a stay at home guy at all. Who are you thinking?

I kinda think any D we aqcuire needs to be able to move the puck well though. Emberson and Nurse both could use a partner who can help in that regard, and we only have 1 Kulak and Stecher shouldn't be a regular come playoffs, imo. As an aside, I want them to try Ekholm-Emberson for a stretch, but not neccessarily as a pairing through the playoffs.

Like if Smith blows chunks individually, yeah it's hard to tell if it works. But then you just waive him, hope he can go down and help your AHL club and you are in the same position you are now. But if he is adequate and Nurse-Kulak excels, it let's us know that Matheson really could work out well and it adds some depth to a position we need it come playoffs.

I agree. I do want a 2 way defenceman with more of a bend towards offense. I should have said VET defenceman, not vet “stay at home” defenceman.

Most of my focus this year has been on how to get a puck moving 4RHD. And keep Kulak in the 3rd pair role to help Emberson along. But considering the absolutel shitty RHD market we’re looking at. I need to start considering the plan B, which yes should also include a puck mover in the 3LHD spot.

I won’t ever argue against the cost of FREE. I’m just saying we don’t learn that much from this experiment. We can already figure out if Nurse-Kulak is a viable pairing. Smith working out in a 3rd pair still doesn’t give us much confidence in the Smith-Emberson pair in the playoffs.