Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[Heavy Dee]

So what was McLeod at his most recent for us? There we were playing for the Stanley Cup and over and over he wouldn’t sacrifice himself for the team, he put his own personal safety first. Did you watch? Do you remember?

OK, I will bite one last time.

Ryan McLeod had room to grow after last year's playoff run. He is currently playing the 3C Henrique isn't giving us. Henrique, to me, looks like is a shell of what we hoped him to be. This at a million more than what McLeod was signed for.

That was my original rebut to your assertion that McLeod was a wuss or nothing burger. Get it now?

 

[McShogun99]

So we hope that Savoie becomes at least what McLeod was for us right? And by when?

Shouldn’t be hard to be a soft, perimeter player that hasn’t passed 12 goals or 30 points yet….

Savoie is our best forward prospect since Pulujarvi and nearly a PPG in the AHL as a rookie. He’s a highly skilled player that should compliment our top 6 when he’s ready.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Shouldn’t be hard to be a soft, perimeter player that hasn’t passed 12 goals or 30 points yet….

Savoie is our best forward prospect since Pulujarvi and nearly a PPG in the AHL as a rookie. He’s a highly skilled player that should compliment our top 6 when he’s ready.

I hope you are right.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Skinner has been disappointing. We need production. Hes not providing it and can't seem to get in on the forecheck and recover pucks, seems to fall a lot. Which is surprising and doesn't have the intensity of a younger speedier aggressive forward. You can't win playing passive hockey. We already have the kings of passive hockey in RNH and Bouchard. We can't have more guys like that.

I wouldn't go that far. For starters, he hasn't been put in a position to succeed. If there's one thing he's been brought here to do, it's score goals. So how has he been deployed to do it? He's currently on a 3rd line with 2 linemates that have a combined 3 points in 14 games and was passed over for Matthias Ekholm on a PP1 that's producing at it's worst rate in, what, ever?

RNH keeps getting thrown out with McDavid and Draisaitl and PP1 time despite have 1/3 of the goals Skinner's been able to produce, and Hyman didn't play one shift off of the top-6 when he failed to score in his first 10 games.

He's literally the highest scoring winger on the team, without any PP1 time and you're saying he's the one that's disappointing?

 

[Messrules11]

OK, I will bite one last time.

Ryan McLeod had room to grow after last year's playoff run. He is currently playing the 3C Henrique isn't giving us. Henrique, to me, looks like is a shell of what we hoped him to be. This at a million more than what McLeod was signed for.

That was my original rebut to your assertion that McLeod was a wuss or nothing burger. Get it now?

Maybe it works out for him in Buffalo, but when fans can spot his soft play I would imagine his teammates did as well. He had to go.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You’re trusting the teams’ scouts to do that. Apropos of nothing, are the ones that targeted Campbell still around? The only name that seems to be out there is Blackwood.

Yea our scouting hasn’t been great. See? You got Campbell trauma!

 

[Heavy Dee]

Maybe it works out for him in Buffalo, but when fans can spot his soft play I would imagine his teammates did as well. He had to go.

Not in favor of Henrique.

 

[Messrules11]

Not in favor of Henrique.

Henrique needs to be better for sure but we have Savoie as well. We’ll see.

 

[McShogun99]

I hope you are right.

I hope so but I’m usually wrong about prospects.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Canucks trade away one of their UFA signings. Sprong to SEa

 

[soothsayer]

Canucks trade away one of their UFA signings. Sprong to SEa

I think they are looking at Ristolainen. I wonder if that shoe drops.

 

[CROTT]

Shouldn’t be hard to be a soft, perimeter player that hasn’t passed 12 goals or 30 points yet….

Savoie is our best forward prospect since Pulujarvi and nearly a PPG in the AHL as a rookie. He’s a highly skilled player that should compliment our top 6 when he’s ready.

He played six games after his junior season ended, six games is nothing to base anything on a couple good games cloud the stat line easily. And by that metric Mcleod and Benson both had 3 points in 5 games in their first AHL stints.

This is Savoie's rookie AHL season and he's .6PPG so far through 10 games. Time will tell as the season goes on, or if he even becomes an NHL player. Crowning him the best prospect since Pulujarvi is also a bad point given how he panned out and looked disjointed even at the best of times.

Also Benson and Yamamoto posted great AHL numbers and we all know how those two turned out.

 

[McShogun99]

He played six games after his junior season ended, six games is nothing to base anything on a couple good games cloud the stat line easily. And by that metric Mcleod and Benson both had 3 points in 5 games in their first AHL stints.

This is Savoie's rookie AHL season and he's .6PPG so far through 10 games. Time will tell as the season goes on, or if he even becomes an NHL player. Crowning him the best prospect since Pulujarvi is also a bad point given how he panned out and looked disjointed even at the best of times.

Also Benson and Yamamoto posted great AHL numbers and we all know how those two turned out.

Doesn’t matter how JP panned out. He had great potential when we drafted him, same as Savoie. For all we know Savoie could be a major bust which is why Buffalo traded him or he could be a 100 point player on McDrai’s wing. It’s a gamble you have to take when the return is a soft player that hasn’t scored more then 12 goals in a season.

 

[FlameChampion]

How about a whacky idea like a defensive defenseman that can move the puck?

Seems like Bob is one of those old school guys that thinks a puck-mover only comes in the form of Paul Coffey even though there's players like Tanev that are leading the league in zone exit metrics.

Whos a RD defensive dman who can move the puck whos available?

 

[North]

I think they are looking at Ristolainen. I wonder if that shoe drops.

I hope Vancouver trades for him.

 

[FlameChampion]

Sprong traded for future considerations

It’s bizarre how much that guy moves despite putting up some decent numbers.

Make me almost want to puke but I kind of admire how active Vancouver management is

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It’s bizarre how much that guy moves despite putting up some decent numbers.

Make me almost want to puke but I kind of admire how active Vancouver management is

??? Sprong is only $975K on the cap, it actually makes them look like they have no plan.

 

[FlameChampion]

??? Sprong is only $975K on the cap, it actually makes them look like they have no plan.

Well on flip side Oilers will hold onto Ryan and continuously block young players because of loyalty, veteran love fest or something

 

[FunkyChicken]

Whos a RD defensive dman who can move the puck whos available?

Dante Fabbro seems like the most logical fit. Has fallen out of favour in Nashville.
Won't cost a lot, but would need 50% retention with someone like Dermott or Ryan going the other way.

 

[Soundwave]

dp

 

[Soundwave]

Well yeah. Cause it’s a bunch of junk.

Blackwood > Skinner

Brodie > Ceci

So if those two are junk I guess we made a Cup Final with two pieces of junk high in the roster.

They are just having their numbers hammered by being on bad teams.

Kostin would almost definitely lead our team in hits and probably have a couple of goals because he doesn't try to be Cinderella with the puck and make every play into a fancy pants work of art. Just shoot the goddamn puck, if your shot is good, it will go in sometimes (especially if you don't aim directly at the crest like half the team here), go figure.

 

[soothsayer]

I hope Vancouver trades for him.

100% agree.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Blackwood > Skinner

Brodie > Ceci

So if those two are junk I guess we made a Cup Final with two pieces of junk high in the roster.

They are just having their numbers hammered by being on bad teams.

Kostin would almost definitely lead our team in hits and probably have a couple of goals because he doesn't try to be Cinderella with the puck and make every play into a fancy pants work of art. Just shoot the goddamn puck, if your shot is good, it will go in sometimes (especially if you don't aim directly at the crest like half the team here), go figure.

Curious at to how many people would trade Skinner straight up for Blackwood?
Kind of on the fence myself, I don't like Skinner but really don't know enough about Blackwood but he hasn't had a >.900 save percentage in 4 years.

 

[McTedi]

Curious at to how many people would trade Skinner straight up for Blackwood?
Kind of on the fence myself, I don't like Skinner but really don't know enough about Blackwood but he hasn't had a >.900 save percentage in 4 years.

I honestly wonder if any goalie could post >0.900 sv% on the Oilers anymore. Our defensive breakdowns are of the epic failure variety and happen way too many times per game. Skinner and the team need to play better period.

 

[Soundwave]

I honestly wonder if any goalie could post >0.900 sv% on the Oilers anymore. Our defensive breakdowns are of the epic failure variety and happen way too many times per game. Skinner and the team need to play better period.

That's crap, Pickard just did it last season, Mike Smith did it multiple times older than dirt on a d-corps that was significantly worse than today (no Ekholm).

The Oilers are one of the best teams in the NHL for suppressing shots, we don't give up a lot of high danger chances, the stats are out there from unbiased sources.

Skinner just sucks at saving high danger chances. He's 65th in the league for a reason, last year he couldn't crack the top 30 even though the team in front of him played unreal for the regular season from mid-November onwards.