Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[guymez]

OK, I will bite one last time.

Ryan McLeod had room to grow after last year's playoff run. He is currently playing the 3C Henrique isn't giving us. Henrique, to me, looks like is a shell of what we hoped him to be. This at a million more than what McLeod was signed for.

That was my original rebut to your assertion that McLeod was a wuss or nothing burger. Get it now?

To be fair there are more than a few players that look underwhelming so far this season.
I think that Henrique is dealing with the same issue that much of the team is dealing with and thats the SCF hangover.
I wouldnt judge Henriques play just yet.

I should qualify the above by stating that I like McLeod and while he isnt a gritty player I thought that he had a lot of utility in his game. I dont necessarily think the team is better without him.

 

[McFlash97]

Rhw

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He played six games after his junior season ended, six games is nothing to base anything on a couple good games cloud the stat line easily. And by that metric Mcleod and Benson both had 3 points in 5 games in their first AHL stints.

This is Savoie's rookie AHL season and he's .6PPG so far through 10 games. Time will tell as the season goes on, or if he even becomes an NHL player. Crowning him the best prospect since Pulujarvi is also a bad point given how he panned out and looked disjointed even at the best of times.

Also Benson and Yamamoto posted great AHL numbers and we all know how those two turned out.

Savoies hockey IQ is miles beyond Yamamoto and Puljujarvi man. Hes only going to get better the more comfortable he gets playing the pro game. This guy is no joke.

 

[foshizzle]

No one said they “preferred” nurse over Bouchard. Maybe read.

I’m not running him out of town. His play is.

No, you are. Check my post above.

Bouchard has not played better than Nurse this season thus far. Thats not stating a preference. Thats just an observation.

An observation based on no evidence or actual facts

 

[guymez]

Rhw

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Savoies hockey IQ is miles beyond Yamamoto and Puljujarvi man. Hes only going to get better the more comfortable he gets playing the pro game. This guy is no joke.

Savoie is exactly the same size as Yamamoto so he needs to have an element in his game that helps him overcome his small size.
Smarts helps a lot but a small player needs to have above average speed to really make it in the NHL.
I havent seen Savoie skate but hopefully he is quite a bit faster than Yamamoto.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

An observation based on no evidence or actual facts

Other than watching the actual gameplay, no evidence or facts at all.

 

[harpoon]

I'm getting upset because that's

what I do. And I never post more than when the Oilers are in a slump. When things are going well you’ll rarely see me because truth be told, I really just use this board as a place to vent my frustration with life.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

No, you are. Check my post above.


An observation based on no evidence or actual facts

Does getting way more D zone starts and way less O zone starts, Less PP time, Playing with a significantly worse partner, playing with worse forwards not effect those stats?

Maybe it’s a stretch to say Nurse has been better. But nurse has 1 less point despite being put in way less optimal situations.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Savoie is exactly the same size as Yamamoto so he needs to have an element in his game that helps him overcome his small size.
Smarts helps a lot but a small player needs to have above average speed to really make it in the NHL.
I havent seen Savoie skate but hopefully he is quite a bit faster than Yamamoto.

Savoie is a burner. However that won't help that much if he plays the kind of way he did in junior. Either he needs to get MUCH stronger or change his game. He can't continue to take part at that kind of level at the professional level without becoming an injury machine--thats why he is being used in the offensive zone as a center for now.
I could see him get a small cup later this year but maybe he would be best served playing this year and most of next in Bakersfield until some of his man strength comes onto him. I forsee an eventual move to RW. With his upside hope they develop him right before he gets to the show.

 

[McDoused]

Savoie is exactly the same size as Yamamoto so he needs to have an element in his game that helps him overcome his small size.
Smarts helps a lot but a small player needs to have above average speed to really make it in the NHL.
I havent seen Savoie skate but hopefully he is quite a bit faster than Yamamoto.

Not to nitpick but Savoie is actually taller and has a good 20lbs on Yamamoto. It's always frustrating when fans compare guys to ex-Oilers because they don't watch other teams. Savoie doesn't play the same game as Yamamoto. He's a lot more skilled with the puck, makes plays and thinks the game differently.

 

[TB12]

That's crap, Pickard just did it last season, Mike Smith did it multiple times older than dirt on a d-corps that was significantly worse than today (no Ekholm).

The Oilers are one of the best teams in the NHL for suppressing shots, we don't give up a lot of high danger chances, the stats are out there from unbiased sources.

Skinner just sucks at saving high danger chances. He's 65th in the league for a reason, last year he couldn't crack the top 30 even though the team in front of him played unreal for the regular season from mid-November onwards.

This narrative that the Oilers are bad at D and give up HD chances like candy and that poor Skinner is so hard done by needs to die. These are not the DOD Oilers and their defensive suppression metrics are excellent.

f*** me, every team in the league gives up chances, that's hockey. Sometimes they are even really good, 10 bell chances, it's just that other teams goalies occasionally make a f***ing save on a great chance against. For the Oilers it's an automatic "referee breakout".

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I'm going back to it, call the Sharks, make a deal.

To SJ: Nurse, Dermott, Kemp, 2027 1st, 2026 2nd and 2028 2nd

To EDM: Walman, Goodrow and Rutta

The team looks like

Skinner - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Nuge - Henrique - Brown
Janmark - Goodrow - Perry
Ryan

Ekholm - Bouchard
Walman - Rutta
Kulak - Emberson
Stetcher

Explore it. SJ isn't competitive yet, but it will get there, and it's solid place to live as a rich guy.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

I'm going back to it, call the Sharks, make a deal.

To SJ: Nurse, Dermott, Kemp, 2027 1st, 2026 2nd and 2028 2nd

To EDM: Walman, Goodrow and Rutta

The team looks like

Skinner - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Nuge - Henrique - Brown
Janmark - Goodrow - Perry
Ryan

Ekholm - Bouchard
Walman - Rutta
Kulak - Emberson
Stetcher

Explore it. SJ isn't competitive yet, but it will get there, and it's solid place to live as a rich guy.

Jimni put down the bubble jar.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Jimni put down the bubble jar.

What the f*** does this mean? The Oilers eat a terrible contract in Goodrow, the Sharks get a heavy minute guy to support their growth, plus they get assets, it's ain't free.

Moving Nurse is literally the MOST meaningful thing this organization can do to go from very good to truly elite, that milestone is just too heavy as is.

 

[Oilslick941611]

It’s bizarre how much that guy moves despite putting up some decent numbers.

Make me almost want to puke but I kind of admire how active Vancouver management is

Probably locker room or attitude issues.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Probably locker room or attitude issues.

Jimmy boy (who has an addiction) is there as well as Dale.
It can be really good and it can be really bad. There comes a point where they will need to stop fiddling. Hope Patrick can stop them.

 

[GOilers88]

To be fair there are more than a few players that look underwhelming so far this season.
I think that Henrique is dealing with the same issue that much of the team is dealing with and thats the SCF hangover.
I wouldnt judge Henriques play just yet.

I should qualify the above by stating that I like McLeod and while he isnt a gritty player I thought that he had a lot of utility in his game. I dont necessarily think the team is better without him.

I'm concerned if there is actually a hangover. The team that actually won the cup, and had gone to the finals the year before that as well has no issue getting their asses in gear to start the season.

I feel like any hangover for the Oilers is just another excuse for another flat start in a string of flat starts every year.

That said, I believe like I do every year that things will work themselves out as the season plays on.

 

[McShogun99]

I wonder how long until the team calls TDA's agent?

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Have you taken notice where the team offense is ranked?

The offense will come, but what you see is what you get with Skinner. There’s a large enough sample size to see he’s a sub .900 goalie and it’s pretty hard to win anything with those numbers. There’s zero consistency to his game.

 

[Sethual]

I'm going back to it, call the Sharks, make a deal.

To SJ: Nurse, Dermott, Kemp, 2027 1st, 2026 2nd and 2028 2nd

To EDM: Walman, Goodrow and Rutta

The team looks like

Skinner - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Nuge - Henrique - Brown
Janmark - Goodrow - Perry
Ryan

Ekholm - Bouchard
Walman - Rutta
Kulak - Emberson
Stetcher

Explore it. SJ isn't competitive yet, but it will get there, and it's solid place to live as a rich guy.

Nurse has control over where he goes but I just hope he GOES SOON. It is far too late in his career to be a -9 in the playoffs. He is a disgustingly overpaid bum who got lucky that he played against only Canadian teams to get his contract that he just borrowed from Jones team even though hes not even as good as him. Just a sad day when we drafted Nurse over Horvat or even Theodore. Nepo baby family got Nursey to where he is now and he is now leading this team right to the trash. HATE NURSE.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

What the f*** does this mean? The Oilers eat a terrible contract in Goodrow, the Sharks get a heavy minute guy to support their growth, plus they get assets, it's ain't free.

Moving Nurse is literally the MOST meaningful thing this organization can do to go from very good to truly elite, that milestone is just too heavy as is.

Jimmy sorry for taking so long to reply.
Perhaps you have been listening to the background noise here too much.

Yes Nurse is not a complete number 1. He has trouble head manning the puck out of the D zone and yes he once in a while has a major brain fart (mostly related to his vision in passing).
BUT he does bring things that are hard to find or replace.
He can log big minutes. He can get on his horse and skate the puck out of the zone and is hard to stop when he gets going. He can fight really well on the half wall and gain possession. He has learned to keep his temper in check for the most part. He has a very accurate shot from the point and can play the power play and keep the puck in the O zone and can get back fast enough to cover.
And yes he has grit and quality pugilistic ability.
These are the reasons Holland was forced to bend over.
Remember before the Chicago series how well Nurse -- Bear were playing. We really thought we had something. Yes Bear could skate (forwards very well) and had great passing. Yes some assistant general manager from Chicago watched alot of tape and found out Bear had trouble skating backwards and closing gaps when he got there and poof that was the end of that.
BUT I encourage you not to throw out the baby with the bath water. (no i'm not saying Nurse is a big baby). Instead find him a defensive Dman that can headman the puck and pass it to him in the ozone and cover his brain farts. I think you can find this guy fairly cheap cause he doesn't need to be great two way and doesn't need exceptional vision just needs to be above average defensively and it would be nice if it was a pretty gritty guy too.
An example of what a good complementary player can do for his partner ....Look what Eks did for Bouch. I know its not the same situation Jimmy its an example.

 

[Soli]

Welcome to Edmonton.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Oilers would be clinically insane not to grab him.

 

[Fourier]

I'm going back to it, call the Sharks, make a deal.

To SJ: Nurse, Dermott, Kemp, 2027 1st, 2026 2nd and 2028 2nd

To EDM: Walman, Goodrow and Rutta

The team looks like

Skinner - McDavid - Hyman
Podkolzin - Draisaitl - Arvidsson
Nuge - Henrique - Brown
Janmark - Goodrow - Perry
Ryan

Ekholm - Bouchard
Walman - Rutta
Kulak - Emberson
Stetcher

Explore it. SJ isn't competitive yet, but it will get there, and it's solid place to live as a rich guy.

Nurse has a full NMC. There is no way he accepts a trade to SJ. None! In fact I don't see any scenario in which he accepts a trade if McDavid is still on the team.

 

[bellagiobob]

Oilers would be clinically insane not to grab him.

I haven’t watched him at all this year, he must have really digressed to get waived. At 2.5M we need to be certain he’s an upgrade.

 

[soothsayer]

I haven’t watched him at all this year, he must have really digressed to get waived. At 2.5M we need to be certain he’s an upgrade.

Unless he's absolutely fallen off a cliff, or he's got locker room issues, he's a clear upgrade over Stetcher, Dermott, and Emberson. Absolute no brainer in my opinion. I think Trotz is sending a message.