Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

That’s right. Nothing to back it up. There’s been numerous coaching and scouting that has gotten plenty wrong. You’re basically stating your bias.

And plenty more that gets it right.

Enjoy your evening and your spreadsheets.

 

[Spawn]

This is probably a bad idea, but I wonder if you could convince the Penguins to flip us Karlsson with $2M retained for Kulak+Kane+1st rounder. It would essentially be the same value that they traded away to get Karlsson.

Would be close to cap neutral for the Oilers. Would shift priorities at the deadline from a top 4 RHD to a bottom pair LHD vet and maybe a 3W

Doubt the Oilers could make it work beyond this season though with Bouchard needing a new deal. But meh, it's 2:00am

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

This is probably a bad idea, but I wonder if you could convince the Penguins to flip us Karlsson with $2M retained for Kulak+Kane+1st rounder. It would essentially be the same value that they traded away to get Karlsson.

Would be close to cap neutral for the Oilers. Would shift priorities at the deadline from a top 4 RHD to a bottom pair LHD vet and maybe a 3W

Doubt the Oilers could make it work beyond this season though with Bouchard needing a new deal. But meh, it's 2:00am

Honestly I don't think it makes us a better team. Secondly there's no chance Kane waives his NMC to go from a cup contending team in a city he seems to genuinely like to go to a guaranteed non-playoff team.

 

[Fourier]

I thought they pulled him off of LTIR when they sent down Cagguilla and Philp?
edit - just checked Puckpedia and he is still on LTIR as you say....which is most confusing. I thought they wanted to accrue cap space????

You can still accrue cap space while a player is on LTIR. When you first put a player on LTIR the cap that the team is at at that point becomes the new ceiling until you no longer have anyone on LTIR. When the Oilers put Kane on LTIR they made some roster moves to put themselves almost at the full ceiling. Once their cap drops below that new ceiling they can accrue space even with Kane still on LTIR. Right now with their current roster including Kane they are sitting $1.1M under their ceiling so they are accruing cap space.

 

[Fourier]

Good call. Didn't realize we have like $1.3M in space right now, so dropping a couple $800k-900k guys definitely does.

I guess it comes down to accruing. Is a free Fabbro worth the cap you'd accrue without him for the deadline? Going to be a tough call.

It's not just that you are losing the ability to accrue cap space but what space you would actually have at the deadline to improve the team. When Kane comes off LTIR you would be entering the deadline with about $400K in cap space. That means that you are in a money in money out situation. So if they claim Fabbro he will be the "Big Add". As such the question is: Is Fabbro the missing piece???? It's not so clear to me that he is. If they had a chance to trade for him at 50% retained I think it is a better gamble even if it would have cost an asset. So if he does go unclaimed I think that you may look at a trade instead. Nashville has two retention slots open. They may be willing to use one. But even then he may not be the right add if they don't see him as a clear upgrade.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Worst D-man on the 28th team that is known for developing D and is now giving up on him. And he's putting us right back into LTIR.

Claim!

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Worst D-man on the 28th team that is known for developing D and is now giving up on him. And he's putting us right back into LTIR.

Claim!

Claiming Dante is such a poor idea that Bowman and Jackson are probably seriously considering it but hopefully some bottom dweller keeps them from pooping on themselves.

 

[Canovin]

Pick up Fabbro. If he doesn’t work out. Package him for a top 4D at the deadline

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Not really. The guy has been pretty vanilla outside of one season a few years back. I could see Utah claiming just due to their injury situation and available cap. But the Oilers should absolutely not put their cap situation into question for a defenseman of his caliber.

I mean it is easier to just assume because waivers is bad, but not claiming him for free seems nuts, especially for this market

 

[Heavy Dee]

Worst D-man on the 28th team that is known for developing D and is now giving up on him. And he's putting us right back into LTIR.

Claim!

They also traded a guy named Ekholm.

 

[Thomas Tatar]

They also traded a guy named Ekholm.

Plus a change of scenery may light a fire under his butt. Sometimes players just need a different opportunity

 

[jukon]

Nashville probably tried to trade him without retention or taking a player back and didn't get an offer. They probably told teams, if you don't pony up he'll go on waivers and a bottom feel will claim him.

Liligren returned peanuts and his trajectory is expected to go up. Most would agree Fabbro's best years are likely behind him.

I think EDM would be foolish not to put in a claim so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

 

[Pip]

Nothing else other than my 15+ years of coaching, player evaluation, development and Hockey Canada coaching credentials, nope.

Bouchard has had his struggles this year and is far below the bar he set for himself in the playoffs and the last 2/3rd of the season. He has shown he is capable of far more and hope he can find his game sooner than later.



I thought they pulled him off of LTIR when they sent down Cagguilla and Philp?
edit - just checked Puckpedia and he is still on LTIR as you say....which is most confusing. I thought they wanted to accrue cap space????

I could be wrong but I believe unless they are using the LTIR space, they will still accrue.

 

[jukon]

Worst D-man on the 28th team that is known for developing D and is now giving up on him. And he's putting us right back into LTIR.

Claim!

He's not the worst Dman on the team, he just doesn't fit the coach's idea of what he wants his D to be. Maybe, considering they are in 28th place, that's a telling sign that their coach is wrong.

 

[FunkyChicken]

They also traded a guy named Ekholm.

Think they'll rely heavily on any scouting report Ekholm gives them.
Watching Fabbro play, he looks like a decent number 4. But he gets scratched, limited minutes and passed on the roster by players like Schenn, so what's the red flag?

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Worst D-man on the 28th team that is known for developing D and is now giving up on him. And he's putting us right back into LTIR.

Claim!

I've always hated this kind of mentality, just outright rejecting players cause they are on a bad team, good management teams identify and reclaim players from all sorts of teams, the ones that only look to acquire players from solely good teams always overpay and flounder into being bottom feeders in no time flat. I also don't even fully consider NSH to be a bad team, they had a huge amount of turnover and will likely get progressively better as the group meshes together.

Look at the FLA defense that was far superior to ours last year, Gustav Forsling waiver claim off CAR, Brandon Montour young d who was a borderline waiver player acquired for a 3rd rd pick from BUF (bottom feeder), Niko Mikkola (signed as a UFA not an NHL regular), OEL (recent buy-out on a bad team).

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Think they'll rely heavily on any scouting report Ekholm gives them.
Watching Fabbro play, he looks like a decent number 4. But he gets scratched, limited minutes and passed on the roster by players like Schenn, so what's the red flag?

IMO his level of play is hugely dependent on his partner, like Luke Schenn is playing the exact same game regardless of who he is with, Fabbro's level of play tends to rise or dip to match his partner.

IMO if you put Fabbro with Ekholm you'll get a really good 2nd pairing and if you put him with Kulak you'll get a high quality 3rd pairing, put him with Dermott and you'll get a 3rd d-pairing that will flounder terribly.

Now the real question is how would he play with Nurse which is the hole we want filled and really I have no clue, Nurse is kind of unpredictable in how he meshes with his partners and how his partners adjust to his unique foibles.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

He isn’t going to make it to the Oilers but if he did they absolutely should pick him up. It’s not ideal for cap accrual but you can always waive him again if he doesn’t fit or send him out as salary in an upgrade trade, it’s a pretty low dollar expiring contract.

He’s a perfect low risk change of scenery candidate.

 

[GOilers88]

So what. Let's just hope Stan is on the job and at least puts in a claim. That stuff leaks out.

I think the sentiment is wait until it's announced that he clears waivers before moaning about the team not trying to put a claim in for him.

And he's not wrong.

 

[NeverForget06]

I don't think anyone will claim Fabbro - why would they not have traded him if there was even a hint of interest?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don't think anyone will claim Fabbro - why would they not have traded him if there was even a hint of interest?

Totally, unless they didn't want to retain money and/or didn't want to take a contract back. Not claiming him for the Oilers should absolutely be a fireable offense for Stan.

Also, breaking the nucks is very funny.

 

[McHelpus]

VD @ 50% for Dermott and a 5th?

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I could be wrong but I believe unless they are using the LTIR space, they will still accrue.

Thanks, when it comes to mechanics around cap accruals and LTIR I’m afraid I am not up on it.

You can still accrue cap space while a player is on LTIR. When you first put a player on LTIR the cap that the team is at at that point becomes the new ceiling until you no longer have anyone on LTIR. When the Oilers put Kane on LTIR they made some roster moves to put themselves almost at the full ceiling. Once their cap drops below that new ceiling they can accrue space even with Kane still on LTIR. Right now with their current roster including Kane they are sitting $1.1M under their ceiling so they are accruing cap space.

Thanks, I always thought once in LTIR it was dollar in dollar out. My world just got more color from the black and white it likes to live in lol.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Totally, unless they didn't want to retain money and/or didn't want to take a contract back. Not claiming him for the Oilers should absolutely be a fireable offense for Stan.

Also, breaking the nucks is very funny.

Surprised that Silovs was sent down. Has he been playing poorly this season?

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Nashville probably tried to trade him without retention or taking a player back and didn't get an offer. They probably told teams, if you don't pony up he'll go on waivers and a bottom feel will claim him.

Liligren returned peanuts and his trajectory is expected to go up. Most would agree Fabbro's best years are likely behind him.

I think EDM would be foolish not to put in a claim so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

lol what they are a year apart and one players trajectory is up (nothing to actually back this up) while the other one is already past his prime?