Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Where's the Beef?

[McAsuno]

Because he’s not here to score goals, he’s the right hand face off own zone start and PK guy. I don’t get why our fans don’t see how teams have roles and it’s not line everybody up who can score the most goals.

He's been off to a subpar start, so maybe Philip can push him a bit, but I know who I want at 4C in the postseason.

Okay, but surely, you'd want a 4C like DR to chip in offensively time to time too, right? I'm not sure DR's skating and age is at a point where it's sustainable long term. Especially for a postseason run again. I'd still have him here to be a mentor for the likes of Philp, but other than that, he's not a guy I'd pencil in for majority of the season.

He didn't score but he did his bottom six role well, with solid defensive play and smart puck decisions. These strengths are what we might need to worry about with Philp

I agree about Ryan this year though. So far it's hard not to see it any other way than that he's lost another step and it's one too many

I mean I guess so.
DR still has the IQ. His skating is just cooked. Oilers cannot afford another bottom 6 player that can't chip in offensively from the lineup sadly. He's a good vet though. Too bad his skating and age has gotten to him.

 

[McFlash97]

Fans banking thier hopes on Evander Kane are just fooling themselves. This teams problems are far worse than a 30 + year old Kane. They literally gave away every single one of thier high impact young players over the summer. Other than McDavid, and Drai they don't have anyone to drive play, get in forecheck, recover pucks, that was McLeod, Holloway and Foegles MO. Should have been tinkering with thier cap the minute game 7 was finished

 

[Zerotonine]

Is Kevin lowe still actuality running this team???? Fk me we continue to make stupid decisions like the ones that put us into the decade of darkness ffs...

 

[harpoon]

Say what you want about Cagguila, but I'm fairly confident in saying that if he gets into the lineup he's going to work his bag off, play in straight lines, and not be afraid to play physically. Pick any one of Janmark or Brown (probably Janmark) to take out and not put him in again until there's a reason to so they can be reminded what hard work and playing on your toes looks like.

I agree completely. I didn’t like Caggiula the first time he was here, and he’s obviously not much at this stage of his career, but I can see why he’s getting the call this time. He’s an extremely hard worker. When I look at Brown, Janmark and Henrique doing nothing out there on most of their shifts it makes me want to throw something through my TV. Lazy f***ers need a wake up call big time. I’ll go out on a limb and say Caggiula scores right away.

 

[McFlash97]

Is Kevin lowe still actuality running this team???? Fk me we continue to make stupid decisions like the ones that put us into the decade of darkness ffs...

This is not a Kevin Lowe problem. This is Bowman pretending to look good when the offer sheets came and this is Jackson for hiring Bowman. Fire him already. He isn't fixing this mess. Believe me. These idiots had a week after the offer sheets to scour the organization and league. This is what they came up with. Minor leaguer from San Jose, Stecher in the top 4, Dermott as a 5/6 , Corey Perry and Derek Ryan over Holloway. Thats like coming into work and giving away 100 bucks and receiving 10 bucks on your first customer.

 

[North]

The overreaction to the Caggiula recall is hilarious.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Notice how the only skinner defence is deflecting to other areas? No one can defend his play by just looking at his game and the numbers.

Too be fair you could say that about every goalie since Roli. This team for whatever reason forgets to play defence on a constant basis. Everyone since the 06 team has suffered from this. In saying that Skinner NEEDS to play at a way higher level for us to make it back this year. Connors injury is going to hurt we need all hands on deck.

 

[Spawn]

Because he’s not here to score goals, he’s the right hand face off own zone start and PK guy. I don’t get why our fans don’t see how teams have roles and it’s not line everybody up who can score the most goals.

He's been off to a subpar start, so maybe Philip can push him a bit, but I know who I want at 4C in the postseason.

Derek Ryan was unplayably bad in the postseason. He also barely plays on the PK.

And honestly, every forward is here to score goals. In an ideal situation, every forward on the roster should be capable of 10+ goals. Going back to last season and the playoffs Ryan hasn’t scored a goal in ~50 games.

 

[K1984]

Without question, it's not even close.

Lavoie is big, can scrap and has some upside (though limited), Caggiula is basically a younger version the standard career AHLers like Seth Griffith, Chris Terry, Alex Belzile or Zac Dalpe.

Caggiula brings next to nothing to the table lol.

Weird, one is producing in the AHL and the other isn’t.

lol

 

[MessierII]

Fans banking thier hopes on Evander Kane are just fooling themselves. This teams problems are far worse than a 30 + year old Kane. They literally gave away every single one of thier high impact young players over the summer. Other than McDavid, and Drai they don't have anyone to drive play, get in forecheck, recover pucks, that was McLeod, Holloway and Foegles MO. Should have been tinkering with thier cap the minute game 7 was finished

Controlling the play hasn’t really been a problem though

 

[Soundwave]

Fans banking thier hopes on Evander Kane are just fooling themselves. This teams problems are far worse than a 30 + year old Kane. They literally gave away every single one of thier high impact young players over the summer. Other than McDavid, and Drai they don't have anyone to drive play, get in forecheck, recover pucks, that was McLeod, Holloway and Foegles MO. Should have been tinkering with thier cap the minute game 7 was finished

And what was their record a year ago at game 10 with those players last year?

Evander Kane had as many goals (3) and more points than Foegele through 10 games last year this time, Sam Gagner (2 goals) had more goals than McLeod and Holloway combined.

The team's problem is an unsustainably low shooting percentage and poor special teams. They are among the top teams in the league for chances for and expected goals for.

We're a slow starting team (this is hardly the only slow season start this team has had, it's now like 4 slow starts in the last 6 seasons I think), I think part of the problem is there's not many big personalities in the room and the coaches they hire are quiet guys on top of that. Knob is a good coach but he doesn't seem like much of a fire in the belly guy and the team probably needs that in situations like early season lulls.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Didn’t Woodcroft have Ryan on the wing like 2 years ago? He was like 35 at the time, thought that meant he was close to finished.

Honestly though Ryan has surprised me the last couple years and mostly played well especially for his age. I was calling for a 4C this off season though.. it’s just playing with fire relying on two players pushing 40 in Ryan and Perry. If we had a reliable 4C we could have alternated Ryan and Perry at 4 RW.

But yeah can’t say I have a ton of faith in management right now.. I liked the Skinner and Arvidsson signings, I thought it was too risky to match Broberg, so I’m not perfect either but also I’m not running an NHL team that’s expected to contend.

Edit: just more thoughts on the 4C issue.. if I remember correctly we traded McLeod before the Holloway offer sheet. I believe Stauffer was talking about trying Holloway at 4C. So you could say they might have been planning on having a better, faster, 4C with some upside but they got caught with their pants down.

 

[Spawn]

He didn't score but he did his bottom six role well, with solid defensive play and smart puck decisions. These strengths are what we might need to worry about with Philp

I agree about Ryan this year though. So far it's hard not to see it any other way than that he's lost another step and it's one too many

Good defensively? He was a team worst -9 playing 8 minutes a game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Idk man. I've seen too much of this shit with the likes of previous mistakes with Broberg and Holloway for example. Young players that are ready but don't get the pick over a 'vet' who does barely anything but has random intangibles on why he should be favored. I'm not saying Savoie is the answer to unlock the Oilers mistakes right now, but for a team that's lacking in offensive juice right now, I'm not on the Caggiula train. Guy's an AHL player at best.

Yeah I don't get this notion that offensively skilled forwards can't hit the fast track and be brought up quicker. Gee look at how Montreal ruined Caufield doing that or the Oilers with Gagner...

These aren't D. Since when can't uber talented forwards land in the show and hit the ground running. A lot them do. Just not here anymroe because they barely get the chance. Knowing this org we see hardly any of Savoie this year and its the same discussion on should he come up next year. The guy is turning 21 in a couple months. Was drafted years ago. Whens a time to have a look?

Savoie is an offensive spark plug and not some kid anymore. Did we really get rid of McLeod just so we can have Savoie in Bakersfield indefinitely? Savoie was one of the better forwards in preseason I thought.

 

[samiam]

I'd call up Savoie, Philp, and Caggulia.

Hyman - Draisaitl - Savoie
Podkolzin - Nuge - Arvidsson
Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Caggulia - Philp - Perry

You have 3 AHL’ers playing ahead of Skinner.
Is there something I’ve missed?
Or is this in jest?

 

[Mr Positive]

Yeah I don't get this notion that offensively skilled forwards can't hit the fast track and be brought up quicker. Gee look at how Montreal ruined Caufield doing that or the Oilers with Gagner...

These aren't D. Since when can't uber talented forwards land in the show and hit the ground running. A lot them do. Just not here anymroe because they barely get the chance. Knowing this org we see hardly any of Savoie this year and its the same discussion on should he come up next year. The guy is turning 21 in a couple months. Was drafted years ago. Whens a time to have a look?

Savoie is an offensive spark plug and not some kid anymore. Did we really get rid of McLeod just so we can have Savoie in Bakersfield indefinitely? Savoie was one of the better forwards in preseason I thought.

Plus we just lost a disgruntled young player because we are too good a team to open up spots for young guys. This opening now might not be there when McDavid is back, and definitely not when Kane is back

The one issue could be waivers. Is he exempt? If not it could be a rough situation if he does okay but not great and we have returning players.

 

[McHelpus]

You have 3 AHL’ers playing ahead of Skinner.
Is there something I’ve missed?
Or is this in jest?

I honestly forgot about Skinner my bad lmao

 

[McTonyBrar]

no one should be surprised by Cagguila, he's leading the Condors in points and has NHL experience

Savoie is kinda useless outside of the top-6

I am a little surprised they recalled him AND Philp though, figured it would be one or the other

lol you’ve never seen Savoie play in the NHL man so how do you know he’s useless in the bottom six?

 

[McAsuno]

Yeah I don't get this notion that offensively skilled forwards can't hit the fast track and be brought up quicker. Gee look at how Montreal ruined Caufield doing that or the Oilers with Gagner...

These aren't D. Since when can't uber talented forwards land in the show and hit the ground running. A lot them do. Just not here anymroe because they barely get the chance. Knowing this org we see hardly any of Savoie this year and its the same discussion on should he come up next year. The guy is turning 21 in a couple months. Was drafted years ago. Whens a time to have a look?

Savoie is an offensive spark plug and not some kid anymore. Did we really get rid of McLeod just so we can have Savoie in Bakersfield indefinitely? Savoie was one of the better forwards in preseason I thought.

Exactly!! If Savoie was a Dman and was gonna be put out on the open by having to play along side a dman like Nurse then yes, that would be a problem. But he's a talented young fast forward who would be given the chance to play with the likes of Draisaitl or Nuge. I just don't like the 'let the kids percolate in the AHL' ken holland type of shit. That kind of crap has already cost this team. There's no certainty how Savoie would do up here, but I'd rather give him a chance especially when we're losing our fastest and best player for who knows how long.

 

[Mr Positive]

Exactly!! If Savoie was a Dman and was gonna be put out on the open by having to play along side a dman like Nurse then yes, that would be a problem. But he's a talented young fast forward who would be given the chance to play with the likes of Draisaitl or Nuge. I just don't like the 'let the kids percolate in the AHL' ken holland type of shit. That kind of crap has already cost this team. There's no certainty how Savoie would do up here, but I'd rather give him a chance especially when we're losing our fastest and best player for who knows how long.

I could see us maybe calling up Savoie but only if McDavid is out for an extended period. A few weeks wouldn't be enough

 

[McAsuno]

I could see us maybe calling up Savoie but only if McDavid is out for an extended period. A few weeks wouldn't be enough

That's a logical decision and something I can understand. I'd rather that be the case as McDavid being out longer would be more worrisome for the season.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Savoie turns 21 in a couple months.. it's not like he's a green 18 year old.

Yes I realize he was injured for a chunk of last season... but nothing wrong with having him in the lineup that's DFL in the NHL for goal scoring.. AND with McDavid out... let's try to infuse a little more youthful enthusiasm into the roster instead of another mediocre old vet like Caggiula.

Team seems to want to get older and slower and with less energy with every move they make.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Caggiula will bring work ethic, passion and physicality. Hungry would be the word that I'd use if I had to limit what he brings to the table to 1 word. Hungry to get back to the NHL, hungry to make an impression and hungry to stay. We've got a lot of fat and happy players on our team, time to let the Drake eat!

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Savoie turns 21 in a couple months.. it's not like he's a green 18 year old.

Yes I realize he was injured for a chunk of last season... but nothing wrong with having him in the lineup that's DFL in the NHL for goal scoring.. AND with McDavid out... let's try to infuse a little more youthful enthusiasm into the roster instead of another mediocre old vet like Caggiula.

Team seems to want to get older and slower and with less energy with every move they make.

He's getting used to our system and pro hockey. Give him some more time before bringing him up.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Is Kevin lowe still actuality running this team???? Fk me we continue to make stupid decisions like the ones that put us into the decade of darkness ffs...

He moved away from Hockey Ops years ago

Still waiting for your big hypothesis about your argument of Gibson being better than Skinner by the way. You went quiet awfully quick once the stats came out.