Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | What Do Our RFA's Sign For Edition

[Anarchism]

Right now Miller is better defensively and Bouchard is better offensively but I think this is a good road map for a deal. If they had the space going an extra year for a little more money would be worth consideration. 3 years @ $4.5M vs 2 years at $3.875M allows more time for the cap to go up. It also gives the team a little more flexibility the year Leon's deal is up. I suspect that the bump in McDavid's cap will be less than the one for Leon.

I know they like Foegele but they have other options on the LW and if they could move him it would provide enough flexibility to add some dollars for Bouchard and also save some cap to offset the Brown bonus while giving them room to make a bigger move at the deadline.

A guy I'd have time for is Paul Stastny. He could be a cheap #3C.

Might be time for Paul to hang em up.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Does Miller play on the best powerplay ever with McDavid, Drai, etc.?

That has an effect.

You do realize some players aren’t good on the pp? Provorov and Trouba come to mind.

Bouchard is worth talent on that pp

 

[Anarchism]

Oilers have $5.62 million in cap space so barring any moves... you've got to chop that up between McLeod and Bouchard.

$3.5 million for Bouchard and $2.12 million for McLeod. That's pretty much how I see it as of right now.

Is Holland done though in terms of trades? Is this the final roster until training camp once Bouchard/McLeod are signed?

Realistically probably only Foegele, Ceci and Kulak are the only 3 possible movable pieces.

Everyone else either is cemented on the roster or make too little in terms of cap to matter if they are moved anyway.

I don't think they will move Foegele... seems to be a favourite with McDavid.

Kulak and Ceci at this stage aren't likely to be replaced with "better" dmen for their cap hits... what team is willing to move a great top 4 dman at this part of the season (hasn't even started) for one of Ceci/Kulak plus picks/prospect? Maybe there's a team out there but I doubt it.

Is Erik Karlsson still on the Oilers radar? Was he ever really on their radar to begin with?


Campbell/Skinner are the goalie pair going forward. Does Holland have the guts to move one of them? What goalie (that's available) is guaranteed to be better than Campbell/Skinner?

Pretty Holland like thinking. Why don't you think of something ....BOLD.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Does Miller play on the best powerplay ever with McDavid, Drai, etc.?

That has an effect.

22/23 playoff stats:

Player​	GP​	TOI​	TOI/GP​	Goals/60​	Total Assists/60​	First Assists/60​	Second Assists/60​	Total Points/60​
Evan Bouchard​	12​	46.96667​	3.913889​	5.11​	14.05​	5.11​	8.94​	19.16​
Connor McDavid​	12​	47.13333​	3.927778​	6.36​	8.91​	5.09​	3.82​	15.28​
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins​	12​	46.48333​	3.873611​	0​	11.62​	7.74​	3.87​	11.62​
Leon Draisaitl​	12​	46.58333​	3.881944​	7.73​	2.58​	1.29​	1.29​	10.3​
Zach Hyman​	12​	46.68333​	3.890278​	2.57​	6.43​	2.57​	3.86​	9​
Mattias Ekholm​	12​	9.116667​	0.759722​	0​	6.58​	0​	6.58​	6.58​
Darnell Nurse​	11​	9.45​	0.859091​	0​	6.35​	6.35​	0​	6.35​
Evander Kane​	12​	10.05​	0.8375​	5.97​	0​	0​	0​	5.97​

Make no mistake... Bouchard stirred the drink out there on the PP as well... he directly contributed to that best PP ever.

 

[Fourier]

Might be time for Paul to hang em up.

He's one year removed from scoring 21 goals and 45 points. He's solid defensively and a very good veteran presence. I'd take him at $950K over Bjugstad to be honest.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

You do realize some players aren’t good on the pp? Provorov and Trouba come to mind.

Bouchard is worth talent on that pp

Most definitely, the PP never missed a beat when he replaced Barrie, but when comparing numbers from a player on another team, the talent surrounding said player needs to be taken into account.

 

[Anarchism]

He's one year removed from scoring 21 goals and 45 points. He's solid defensively and a very good veteran presence. I'd take him at $950K over Bjugstad to be honest.

Have a look at his advanced stats...maybe they will get you thinking about steady decline.
And im a fan of his.....hope he has one more year in him but perhaps there are other options.

 

[Spawn]

Have a look at his advanced stats...maybe they will get you thinking about steady decline.
And im a fan of his.....hope he has one more year in him but perhaps there are other options.

How about you post them for people to see?

 

[Anarchism]

How about you post them for people to see?

If only I could there young man.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Not popular but there is a strong case to move both of our RFAs. McLeod is a speedy player with size and skill that would be attractive to many clubs. Bouchard gives any struggling power play in this league automatic legitimacy.

Oilers need a traditional 3rd-line center that's ready to go 4 rounds in the playoffs who can face off against elite competition and lean on them hard. Here come the arguments about McLeod dominating over Eichel. That's f***ing ridiculous.

The Oilers have the best pp in the league by a long shot if Bouchard is part of it or not. A strong puck moving two-way defender, that can make breakout passes, and specializes in defensive coverage fits the club's requirements more than an elite offensive power play specialist that needs the help of Ekholm to be respectable in his own end.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I fail to fathom how anyone who has observed the game of hockey for many years identifies McLeod as a strong positional center.

“Trust me, I watch hockey” we all watch hockey bud.

 

[Spawn]

If only I could there young man.

At least the links to where you find them so people can look him up themselves? There are so many different advanced stats sources out there nowadays.

 

[Anarchism]

“Trust me, I watch hockey” we all watch hockey bud.T

True but he is right about McLeod. He is not a traditional 3rd line center. The boy can't clear the slot or net, doesn't know when to go to the boards to help his wing and when he does he rarely gets the puck.
McLeod does have value ...maybe he is best used on wing and PK.
Or maybe we package him up. There has never been a better time...lol

 

[Fourier]

Have a look at his advanced stats...maybe they will get you thinking about steady decline.
And im a fan of his.....hope he has one more year in him but perhaps there are other options.

Which advanced stats are you talking about. This year he played 738 minutes in the regular season.

CF% 61.8 SF% 59.08 GF% 53.70 xGF% 61.10 SCF% 62.62 HDCF% 58.95

He played 166 minutes in the playoffs:

CF% 59.06 SF% 56.67 GF% 45.45 xGF% 62.73 SCF% 58.99 HDCF% 56.86

Now his time vs elites dropped a lot this year from his last year in Winnipeg. He is also getting a lot of offensive zone starts but its not like his play has collapsed.

 

[Anarchism]

Which advanced stats are you talking about. This year he played 738 minutes in the regular season.

CF% 61.8 SF% 59.08 GF% 53.70 xGF% 61.10 SCF% 62.62 HDCF% 58.95

He played 166 minutes in the playoffs:

CF% 59.06 SF% 56.67 GF% 45.45 xGF% 62.73 SCF% 58.99 HDCF% 56.86

Now his time vs elites dropped a lot this year from his last year in Winnipeg. He is also getting a lot of offensive zone starts but its not like his play has collapsed.

Look at Carolina's use of him and realize that there top line C was hurt a substantial amount.
From 18.30 TOI average with winnipeg to 11.30 TOI Carolina. He played a bit more in the playoffs especially defensively. But his time was being controlled obviously.
This may not be true of Paul but isn't this usually an indicator?
Also isn't this the time to buy a younger quality C. Quite some time ago when Briere started to sell i was on Noah Cates.

 

[Broberg Speed]

“Trust me, I watch hockey” we all watch hockey bud.

That's what I assumed, bub.

You watch a club that couldn't get it done in the postseason over many consecutive seasons now, a club that boasts the two best players in the league.

A club that refuses to make the appropriate corrections. Until the club does make the necessary changes expect the same futility we've seen in the past.

 

[Anarchism]

That's what I assumed, bub.

You watch a club that couldn't get it done in the postseason over many consecutive seasons now, a club that boasts the two best players in the league.

A club that refuses to make the appropriate corrections. Until the club does make the necessary changes expect the same futility we've seen in the past.

Holy F. I agree with two successive Bro Speed posts.

 

[McDoused]

“Trust me, I watch hockey” we all watch hockey bud.

I'm convinced that their are people who post here regularly that dont watch hockey lol.

 

[Broberg Speed]

I'm convinced that their are people who post here regularly that dont watch hockey lol.

Some of them cheer "go go go go" but they fail to appreciate the finer aspects of the game.

 

[gordonhught]

U have to realize u r dealing with @duul
Most pessimistic view of the Oilers going. The trade for Ekholm was one of the best Oilers trades in a long time. Great contract, great player, great attitude , and it’s great we obtained him

On another note, I see Benson signed with Henderson.

This sounds great!

 

[brentashton]

At least the links to where you find them so people can look him up themselves? There are so many different advanced stats sources out there nowadays.

Its been established that the poster doesn’t put up links to sources when requested.

It defeats the purpose of said posts.

 

[Fourier]

Look at Carolina's use of him and realize that there top line C was hurt a substantial amount.
From 18.30 TOI average with winnipeg to 11.30 TOI Carolina. He played a bit more in the playoffs especially defensively. But his time was being controlled obviously.
This may not be true of Paul but isn't this usually an indicator?
Also isn't this the time to buy a younger quality C. Quite some time ago when Briere started to sell i was on Noah Cates.

Sure, ideally you go find a young stud for the third line But you have less than $1M to spend. Which quality young center do you get for that number?? Noah Cates just got $2.6M. The Oilers don't have the cap space for that.

With McDavid and Draisaitl you probably only need 12 minutes from him. You may not even need him to play center much of the time.

 

[JeffSkinner53]

Keith texting Kane and Toews as we speak to sign with the oilers

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Right now Miller is better defensively and Bouchard is better offensively but I think this is a good road map for a deal. If they had the space going an extra year for a little more money would be worth consideration. 3 years @ $4.5M vs 2 years at $3.875M allows more time for the cap to go up. It also gives the team a little more flexibility the year Leon's deal is up. I suspect that the bump in McDavid's cap will be less than the one for Leon.

I know they like Foegele but they have other options on the LW and if they could move him it would provide enough flexibility to add some dollars for Bouchard and also save some cap to offset the Brown bonus while giving them room to make a bigger move at the deadline.

A guy I'd have time for is Paul Stastny. He could be a cheap #3C.

Start the year with a 21 man roster and go 11-7 roughly 1/2 the games for the first month. With
Bouchard 3 x$4.5M
McLeod 2 x $1.8M
Stastny 2 x $950k

this line-up has $1.875M in cap space

Kane McDavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Brown
Janmark Stastny Ryan
Holloway McLeod

Lavoie---pb

Nurse Ceci
Ekholm Bouchard
Broberg/Kulak Kulak/Desharnais
Desharnais

On days where you go 12-6

Kane McDavid Hyman
Nuge Draisaitl Lavoie
Janmark Stastny Brown
Holloway McLeod Ryan

Lavoie---pb

Nurse Ceci
Ekholm Bouchard
Broberg Kulak


Desharnais pb

After a month you can add a player from the AHL. That saves you about $130K on the cap. By strategic moves through the season you could bump this up to $200-300K. At the deadline you might be able to add $3M on the cap and still have about $1M to reduce the bonus hit next year.

I’m in agreement on this plan as I think they could better use Foegeles cap but I don’t think they move him before the season starts. If they were going to do that they would have moved him before or early in ufa.

My guess is they get both rfa’s done without mcleod arb ruling for around 5-5.5 even if it means 1 yr deals and kicking the can to next offseason. Maybe sign a near league min fwd and a pto or two, but they’ll start the year running 21 man roster and bank every cap dollar possible. See how Holloway and Broberg progress, probably get Bourgault and Lavoie into the lineup here and there and see how things go before they make a determination mid season about if a Foegele or Kulak are expendable and gauge what their value is league wide at the time.

 

[Fourier]

I’m in agreement on this plan as I think they could better use Foegeles cap but I don’t think they move him before the season starts. If they were going to do that they would have moved him before or early in ufa.

My guess is they get both rfa’s done without mcleod arb ruling for around 5-5.5 even if it means 1 yr deals and kicking the can to next offseason. Maybe sign a near league min fwd and a pto or two, but they’ll start the year running 21 man roster and bank every cap dollar possible. See how Holloway and Broberg progress, probably get Bourgault and Lavoie into the lineup here and there and see how things go before they make a determination mid season about if a Foegele or Kulak are expendable and gauge what their value is league wide at the time.

For the record, I'd be very surprised if they moved Foegele before the season starts unless Bouchard gets more than they think they can afford this year due to something like an offer sheet threat.