Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | What Do Our RFA's Sign For Edition

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Boy, it doesn't feel like that long ago that we were perpetually a top-5 youngest team

 

[McTonyBrar]

Problem is you have Genius GM running around saying he is a 3C....when clearly he is not.

Yeah dude I think anyone here would rather trust Holland over you. Or me or any other armchair GM

 

[McTonyBrar]

Also we should be happy with the Cates signing. He had 38 points last year. McLeod had 23 points in 56 games.

It might bring his price a bit down

 

[McDoused]

Also we should be happy with the Cates signing. He had 38 points last year. McLeod had 23 points in 56 games.

It might bring his price a bit down

Not so sure. People like to pro-rate everything these days. McLeod camp could argue that if he played the full season he would have 33 points. That's only 5 less than Cates and hes also a center.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If we want to try and ease the load on the top guys, it would make sense to have a guy like Konecny to try and improve our second unit

It would also allow us to overcome a non McDrai injury in the top 6. Having Konecny, Kane and Brown on the 2nd unit should mean a pretty good 2nd unit IMO.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Not so sure. People like to pro-rate everything these days. McLeod camp could argue that if he played the full season he would have 33 points. That's only 5 less than Cates and hes also a center.

Being injured means he contributed nothing. He was appropriately paid last year considering he only played 56 games.

 

[KenLinsemanFanClub]

Not so sure. People like to pro-rate everything these days. McLeod camp could argue that if he played the full season he would have 33 points. That's only 5 less than Cates and hes also a center.

Yeah, and the arbitrator would probably also award a 3rd round pick to Calgary.

 

[Anarchism]

Yeah dude I think anyone here would rather trust Holland over you. Or me or any other armchair GM

You missed the relevance to the statement. Of course Holland might have an idea. However he is on the news stating it BEFORE an arbitation hearing.

 

[Beerfish]

Being injured means he contributed nothing. He was appropriately paid last year considering he only played 56 games.

It really doesn't work that way.

If you are going to take that tact then we better wonder why we just gave a guy 4 million that played 4 games last year and 64 and 56 the two previous years.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Yeah, and the arbitrator would probably also award a 3rd round pick to Calgary.

And suspend Nurse for a game.

 

[Soundwave]

Also we should be happy with the Cates signing. He had 38 points last year. McLeod had 23 points in 56 games.

It might bring his price a bit down

Not sure how that helps the Oilers, dude is getting 2.6 million and McLeod has a higher goals per game and only slightly lower PPG overall, that is a comparable McLeod's agent will likely love to use.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I don't think this twitter account has gotten a single thing right since Tambo got fired.

I don’t think her boobs are real either.

Haha not even the "real" Tracey Lane account.

A fake account of a fake insider. Just like the fake boobs.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Oilers Central (@oilers_central) on Threads

UFA Tyler Benson has signed an AHL contract with the Henderson Silver Knights. #LetsGoOilers Benson was the Oilers 2016 2nd round pick

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Benson on an AHL only deal. Watch Vegas turn him into a 30 goal 60 point NHL guy like they do with every cast off from another team.

 

[Oilhawks]

Oilers Central (@oilers_central) on Threads

UFA Tyler Benson has signed an AHL contract with the Henderson Silver Knights. #LetsGoOilers Benson was the Oilers 2016 2nd round pick

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Benson on an AHL only deal. Watch Vegas turn him into a 30 goal 60 point NHL guy like they do with every cast off from another team.

Only if the next way they bend the rules is by inventing some sort of subtle rocket skates

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Oilers Central (@oilers_central) on Threads

UFA Tyler Benson has signed an AHL contract with the Henderson Silver Knights. #LetsGoOilers Benson was the Oilers 2016 2nd round pick

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Benson on an AHL only deal. Watch Vegas turn him into a 30 goal 60 point NHL guy like they do with every cast off from another team.

Good riddance.

 

[McDNicks17]

Also we should be happy with the Cates signing. He had 38 points last year. McLeod had 23 points in 56 games.

It might bring his price a bit down

This is the biggest difference between them:

Cates played a vastly more important role for the Flyers.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Not so sure. People like to pro-rate everything these days. McLeod camp could argue that if he played the full season he would have 33 points. That's only 5 less than Cates and hes also a center.

If you are taking points per game as the determination for salary, you get...

2021-2023 (past 2 seasons)
Cates 47pts in 98gms = 39.3pts/82gms
McLeod 44pts in 128gms = 28.1pts/82gms
28.1 of 39.3 is roughly about 71.7%
71.7% of $2,625,000 is roughly $1,882,750

2022-2023
Cates 38pts in 82gms
McLeod 23pts in 57 gms = 33pts/82gm
33 of 38 is roughly 86.8% or $2,279,600 of $2,625,000

 

[McBooya42]

Don't play with my emotions like that...it's not nice...even knowing the source.

Edit - I see it's not even the real Treenas...sigh.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Good riddance.

Yeah too bad. I know the Bensons, good family great kid - well he’s not a kid anymore. Had high hopes for him back in the W and when he was with SSAC but he just didn’t develop NHL wheels.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Watch this Tracy Blane account stumble arsehole backwards into calling this .

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Watch this Tracy Blane account stumble arsehole backwards into calling this .

don't count on it

 

[Ritchie Valens]

don't count on it

If I was a gambling man, that's one bet you look at, just shake your head and walk away.

 

[Fourier]

This is the biggest difference between them:

Cates played a vastly more important role for the Flyers.

I think he is viewed as a defensive specialist. The fact that he got 38 points is a bonus. But that is a challenging case to make to an arbitrator since defensive prowess is hard to quantify.

 

[Anarchism]

I think he is viewed as a defensive specialist. The fact that he got 38 points is a bonus. But that is a challenging case to make to an arbitrator since defensive prowess is hard to quantify.

Well some things are obvious. Cates played 17.46 minutes a game compared to just 14.11 for McLeod. McLeod got 5 percent more ozone starts than Cates yet of Cates 13 goals 5 of them were game winners.
Arbiters don't pay for potential do they?
Cates is much more important to Philly and with Hayes gone they have Couturier, Laughton in front of him....fair to say his ice time might increase. Depends on Morgan Frost's development.
Its fair to say Noah is further along in his development right now.
Problem is Briere may see as Frost-Couturier Laughton Cates.
Cates was the only player on his team with substantial playing time to have a positive +/-.
If you can pry Noah out of Philly you do it. There is your long term 3C. These are some of the reasons i included him in my trade proposal a month ago.
Its also easy to say to the arbiter that Cates is more durable and more engaged than weakling Mcleod--obviously you don't use those words.
For Holland Cates is a really good comparison to use. Yet Holland keeps shooting himself in the foot.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Ken Holland inherited a team that was wading-pool deep and cap f***ed to Tuesday. A team that missed the playoffs twice in a row. A team that would immediately lose its under-priced top defenseman to a career-ending injury at 28 years old, which would put them into LTIR for four years. A team that based its top contracts around the idea of the cap going up, only for a pandemic to induce a three-year flat cap. A team that already had the challenge of being the Edmonton Oilers. And he's done a very good job with it despite all that IMO.

The Oilers have gone from a team that was pushing Ty Rattie and Alex Chiasson in the top six to a team that has Kane, Nuge, Hyman and Brown on a collective AAV of 16.5M dollars. It's the best top-six group in the league and they just put up one of the highest-scoring seasons in modern NHL history. Their bottom six, still a work in progress, just finished the year with 10+ goals each. At the time he started, it could politely be described as a group of non-NHL players.

The Oilers are identifying pro players far better than they have in decades. They're developing later picks into actual, promising young players. I don't think the Oilers have been a more functional organization since the 1980s. Seriously.

"The Oilers aren't good enough" Yes, they are. They've lost to a Colorado team at the height of their possible power which immediately lost half of its forward depth to the cap. They lost to a Vegas team running a 96M dollar roster (and gave it a better fight than anyone), and even that series turned on a goalie injury and a hot back-up.

No team is without flaws on July 1 in a flat cap. The Knights gave away Reilly Smith for nothing just to become cap compliant. Boston just lost so much talent. Toronto shuffled Bunting, O'Reilly and Holl for Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg. Tampa had to let Killorn walk. Florida replaced Gudas with Ekman-Larsson. Colorado added two players with negative contracts in order to rebuild some of its depth semi-affordably. The Wild are the same team pretty much completely. *THESE ARE THE OTHER GOOD TEAMS*

These are the good times. You can say "should have won the Cup" or "the Cup is the only success". I get it, I do, but you're calling a B+ job an F because it isn't an A and you're missing the good times. The times when we know the Oilers go into a season as maybe one of seven teams most people wouldn't blink at winning the Cup. The times where the Oilers make the playoffs with home ice advantage for 4 straight years. The times where the Oilers have their handcuffs off at the deadline.

Excellent post BTW.