Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: "Wanted Dead or Alive: A Goalie, Defense & Depth (preferably alive)

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I also have to ask...

Unless a trade for Keith somehow provides us with cap savings (I don't see how), aren't we better off signing Barrie to a similar cap hit with a bit more term.

Both would be a liability defensively, but I have faith that Barrie is young enough to remain one of the highest scoring dmen in the league through his deal as an Oiler. Is Keith's experience worth more than that?

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Clearly you have no clue. I wouldn't want that type of toxic attitude near
A group that calls for team play.

Take a team that has a bunch of leaders/character guys or whatnot, and play them against a bunch of "toxic" high caliber players. Tell me what happens. This applies to every f***ing team sport. Michael Jordan punching teammates in the face and Shaq/Kobe publicly feuding didn't stop their teams from winning b/c the players were good, not b/c of veterans or whatever the f***.

 

[Seachd]

Actually seems pretty cheap to me.

 

[soothsayer]

I also have to ask...

Unless a trade for Keith somehow provides us with cap savings (I don't see how), aren't we better off signing Barrie to a similar cap hit with a bit more term.

Both would be a liability defensively, but I have faith that Barrie is young enough to remain one of the highest scoring dmen in the league through his deal as an Oiler. Is Keith's experience worth more than that?

Seattle could be in the mix to retain salary. They could even take Koskinen back in a trade. Seattle could basically acquire Koskinen + 2.5M on their cap over 2 years for, say, two 2nd round picks (one from Chicago and one from Edmonton). Might be worth it for them.

Edit: And I would definitely do a trade like that for Edmonton. You could re-sign Smith and add Keith all for the same price as Koskinen.

 

[SDig14]

Imagine if we didn't blow 2 2nds on AA...

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Ah, I see, very wordy.

Fault your Elementary school English teacher, it wasn’t that complex a sentence.

 

[belair]

Good pick-up for LA. He's not 30 goal Arvidsson anymore, but he's a high intensity forechecker and a guy that generates a ton off the rush.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I would have liked to see the Oilers in on Arvidsson at that price. The guy is a goal scorer on an anemic Nashville offense.

Hell even if he is not the winger we want for McDavid, put him on the 3rd line and let him be a threat from there

 

[McHelpus]

What do we do with all that freed up salary tho? We need a goalie, a two LW's, a 3rd line C, and a couple bottom 6 forwards. If we acquire all of these pieces this offseason in free agency, we are basically screwing ourselves moving forward. Bear/Nurse/Puljujarvi need extensions next offseason. Freeing up too much cap now will lock us into long term contracts that will hinder our future. In your scenario we are also losing a first round pick. That's a valuable piece moving forward. Koskinen was a strong backup goalie last year outside of his first 10 games and that one really bad one at the end of the year. To have to pay a first to get rid of him is nuts to me. If we decide to trade that first, it better be to bring in an asset, not to get rid of one.

Koskinen a good backup?? He's horrible.
Trading a 1st or 2nd rounder to free up cap space is probably the oilers only realistic chance of freeing up more space.
Also, No one said the freed up cap needs to be used for long term contracts. You could sign players for 1 year deals like Barrie did....

 

[russianoiler]

On the 31 Thoughts podcast this morning, Friedman saying Seattle or a Western based team. Brings up the son in Penticton. Says Vancouver unlikely. Says he heard about it because he thinks there is a chance it gets done very soon, believe there are teams working very hard at it. Seattle and another team. Chicago looking at Seth Jones or Dougie Hamilton and want to open up space to chase them.

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Hmmm. I’m not interested in saving the Blackhawks any cap here. Cap neutral move or better for us or no dice.

What if Keith (50% retention) for Neal (50% retention) + Lagesson (? or Jones?)

Chicago buy-out Neal after trade (or Chicago trade Neal with another 50% retention to next team, and buy-out after it). Not great saving for Blackhawks, but...

 

[Ck1]

if Keith wants out then oilers should only be interested if we’re coming out ahead in the deal. For once the oilers would be in the drivers seat in a trade and shouldn’t do Chicago any favours. How about Neal for Keith with money retained and a third round pick to recoup the one we lost in the Neal Lucic deal

 

[McDrai]

What do we do with all that freed up salary tho? We need a goalie, a two LW's, a 3rd line C, and a couple bottom 6 forwards. If we acquire all of these pieces this offseason in free agency, we are basically screwing ourselves moving forward. Bear/Nurse/Puljujarvi need extensions next offseason. Freeing up too much cap now will lock us into long term contracts that will hinder our future. In your scenario we are also losing a first round pick. That's a valuable piece moving forward. Koskinen was a strong backup goalie last year outside of his first 10 games and that one really bad one at the end of the year. To have to pay a first to get rid of him is nuts to me. If we decide to trade that first, it better be to bring in an asset, not to get rid of one.

I'm thinking that if we want to contend any time soon, we should be freeing up as much cap space as possible for future acquisitions. Giving us an extra 10+ mil to play with this summer could help us to accelerate things. We could fill all of the holes on our team without having any dead cap space on the books as a result of buyouts. Sure, we would be giving up a 1st rounder, but whoever that pick is may not become an impact player until at least the 2023/2024 season or beyond whereas the players brought in with that extra 10 mil could make an impact now.

 

[McJadeddog]

Hard pass on Keith. HARD pass. He is barely an NHL player anymore. He is worse than replacement level at this point. If the Hawks kept 50% of his cap, and gave us him for free, I still wouldn't want him. It would be a waste of $2.5 M in cap, even if we got him for free.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Take a team that has a bunch of leaders/character guys or whatnot, and play them against a bunch of "toxic" high caliber players. Tell me what happens. This applies to every f***ing team sport. Michael Jordan punching teammates in the face and Shaq/Kobe publicly feuding didn't stop their teams from winning b/c the players were good, not b/c of veterans or whatever the f***.

What garbage is this ? I don't care what big name you are. Winning championships under toxic environments is absolutely disgusting. Is a championship so important that you would belittle other human beings for the sake of a piece of metal?
Winning makes you feel good right? No matter the costs? Including the suffering of your teammates? BS
Sport is suppose to bring people together not separate them.

Look in the mirror bro and step the **** up.

 

[Heavy Dee]

The reason we traded Lucic for Neal was because Neal was the easier buyout option.

If we don't get rid of that contract this summer, Holland got fleeced in that deal as Lucic actually contributes to the Flames.

 

[Little Fury]

Hard pass on Keith. HARD pass. He is barely an NHL player anymore. He is worse than replacement level at this point. If the Hawks kept 50% of his cap, and gave us him for free, I still wouldn't want him. It would be a waste of $2.5 M in cap, even if we got him for free.

I'd rather bring back Kulikov than get Keith.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Good puck up for LA. I suspect they aren't finished adding.

Another reason Holland can't take his foot off the gas. McDavid, Drai and Nurse need depth behind them to keep that guaranteed playoff spot.

I still don't think our division will be as easy as some like to think it will be

 

[Little Fury]

Do you even listen to yourself when you talk? He's a PROVEN vet who KNOWS how to WIN it ALL. Just like Mike Smith, he is a great voice to have in the locker room and can be a mentor to the younger dmen like Broberg and Bouchard, which is huge for Keith as he knows how much mentorship means to a young defender (ie. Campbell and Timonen when signed in Chicago). He's also still a viable 3rd-4th Dman. He can take some load off Nurse having to be out there 25+ mins a game. But no, let's make false claims and think cap space is more important that leadership and mentorship.

It is.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Good puck up for LA. I suspect they aren't finished adding.

Another reason Holland can't take his foot off the gas. McDavid, Drai and Nurse need depth behind them to keep that guaranteed playoff spot.

I still don't think our division will be as easy as some like to think it will be

Depends what the other teams do. Right now it's clearly Vegas, then us, then the rest of the division

 

[PKSpecialist]

Koskinen a good backup?? He's horrible.
Trading a 1st or 2nd rounder to free up cap space is probably the oilers only realistic chance of freeing up more space.
Also, No one said the freed up cap needs to be used for long term contracts. You could sign players for 1 year deals like Barrie did....

Ya, sorry, Koskinen is a good backup. In his worst season in his last 3 years he finished with a .899 save %, which although historically bad, was good enough for 44th in the NHL last season, which is right in the middle of the league in backup territory. He was 15th in the league the season before. His 3 year average puts him at 43rd in the league. He is a good backup. Not at 4.5 million obviously, but that is exactly my point. We need a goalie like Koskinen more than we need that 4.5 this year. We already have a pile of cap space. If there was an option to trade Koskinen I am all for it, but not if it means giving up an asset like a first rounder to do it. That first rounder is gold to us right now. Could be used in a deal for a guy like Rakell or could just be used to pick a player who will eventually round out the roster on an ELC. Don't waste a pick to get rid of a player who fills a hole despite his cap hit. If we could use it to get rid of Neal, I might be interested, but to get rid of 1 year of a useful player is crazy bad asset management.

 

[MuzzaFuzza]

I thought Arvidsson was the perfect buy low candidate so its disappointing a division rival picked him up. Would have been great to slot him in on Drai's wing and move Yamo down to a scoring third line.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

If the Oilers are going 7-3-1 and let's say hypothetically Keith wants to play for the Oilers.

Is it better to acquire Keith before the expansion draft or after? Right now, who is the third dman to protect after Nurse and Bear? For the record, with things not looking good for Klefbom, I'm exposing him as it's doubtful Seattle rolls the dice on him coming back to a high level of play.

This could also be the "snag" in Larsson resigning. The timing seems too coincidental how all of a sudden he might consider exploring the market. On the other hand, there's no rush to acquire Keith right now unless Chicago wants him gone by then for their own expansion draft purposes.

The plot thickens.

 

[Oilhawks]

Holland needs to find a left shot Arvidsson to trade for before the expansion draft. Anyone have any ideas of potential candidates?

Preferably a similar contract: ~$4M and 2-3 seasons left. Arvidsson was a little down in the offense last year but a full season would have been closer to 20 goals

 

[Blue Line Turnover]

Man, Arvidsson would have looked good on Draisaitl's wing

 

[McDrai]

Man, Arvidsson would have looked good on Draisaitl's wing

Yep. But it seems that this team is allergic to acquiring useful players. Either that or other GMs are refusing to deal with us since we have McDavid and they know that we will go nowhere with minimal secondary support.