Nate Schmidt's available? Ewww. He's got horrible fancies. He must be in a horribly uncorrectable decline. Vancouver would have to give multiple firsts to clear that contract. Corsi is god and regression is always certain.
Duncan Keith is terrible and is only gonna get worse at age 38, also unlike Neal who has a buyout friendly contract Keith's is nearly buyout immune. Veterancy/experience/intangibles is the most overrated thing in pro sports, that experience and intangibles don't mean a damn thing when they're a blatant negative value asset in terms of actual play. You know what actually matters? TANGIBLES! Demonstrable, measurable, observable contribution! The only way I'd consider trading for Keith is if the Oilers aren't planning on using a buyout on Neal this summer and do a 1 for 1 swap, no picks added, no prospects added, nothing.
Whenever you're thinking about whether we should go after a player, think to yourself, what's the first word that comes to mind about a player. If it's some intangibles filth like "leadership, heart, grit, culture, locker-room, veteran, experience, character" or whatever the f***, the answer is a big fat NO! Stay away! The whole reason the Oilers are in this mess today is because we overindexed and overpayed on this kind of trash during both the Decade of Darkness (Belanger, Gordon, Sutton, N Schultz, Ference, Fayne, Horcoff, Smyth etc) and the Chiarelli era (Lucic, Kassian, Chiasson, Larsson, Sekera, Russell etc).
All the posters talking about how the problem is no veteran presence or character whatever, get this through your heads:
Tangibles>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Intangibles
Had AA performed for us like he played for LA, we'd be very happy with the trade.Yes, thats fine. Lot more nuance. But by saying "You cant see the future" you've dissolved any gm of any responsibility for any moves ever. It makes zero sense.
And also, I will add that even if AA had qualified, we can see now assets like this have better value. AA/Green were just red wing darlings that Holland liked.
Im not breaking up over not get Viktor, but I think we realize now we can get better value.
His fancies greatly declined when he went from a Cup contender to a bad team. Stay far away.Nate Schmidt's available? Ewww. He's got horrible fancies. He must be in a horribly uncorrectable decline. Vancouver would have to give multiple firsts to clear that contract. Corsi is god and regression is always certain.
Had AA performed for us like he played for LA, we'd be very happy with the trade.
If anything Schmidt is underrated. I mean look at what he got traded for last year. He's worth a lot more than a 3rd.
He had one hot streak and was pretty awful the rest of the time. He also played ANA, ARI and SJ a whole bunch.
He's an awful one dimensional hockey player.
You're right, more like Tambellini's Uncle Ken
Koskinen sucks. Enough said. A goalie who can't stop the first shot in a damn game or make a glove save can leave our team. f*** Chiarelli for bringing this mess inYeah that's very true lol... I think the contract makes him look worse than he truly is. If he was getting 1-2 million we wouldn't be on his head as much.
Had AA performed for us like he played for LA, we'd be very happy with the trade.
No you created a strawman about how I supposedly supported workplace abuse or whatever instead of my actual point about how tangible player contribution>intangibles filth like leadership, so I ignored it and continued on my actual point.Whoosh, over your head.
It doesn't come cheap. It comes at the cost of a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. The Oilers picked up Ryan Smyth back in 2011 for "mentorship" purposes and it did f*** all for the team. What that trade actually was is a titanic fleecing where the LA Kings dumped a huge negative value contract onto us for little cost and opened up an opportunity to acquire Carter+Richards and go on their Cup runs.Keith is a 2 time Norris winner, multiple cup champ and 2 time Olympic gold winner. This isn't Eric Belanger we are talking about. He wouldn't be a bad option as a vet 2nd pair D to help some of the young guys along if he comes cheap.
I don't know about you but learning from people I respect always helps me, I can't imagine it's all that different for a guy in the NHL
What do posters like this think we do with guys like Kassian, Koskinen and Neal? Bad salary cost assets to move. But clearly it can be re-allocated to an area of immediate need.Keith is a 2 time Norris winner, multiple cup champ and 2 time Olympic gold winner. This isn't Eric Belanger we are talking about. He wouldn't be a bad option as a vet 2nd pair D to help some of the young guys along if he comes cheap.
I don't know about you but learning from people I respect always helps me, I can't imagine it's all that different for a guy in the NHL
lol
I hate our fanbase.
My fantasy:
Neal+Jones for Keith
Edmonton trades 1st and Koskinen to Seattle on the condition that Seattle selects Keith in expansion draft.
Over 10 mil in salary freed up
Unless he's going to try the europe route I don't see why we wouldn't bring him back for another season. Worse case scenario he gets picked up on waivers. Best case we have a younger bottom 6 player that is chea, one who has showed offense at every level he's played.For anyone interested in seeing who Marody destroyed that year in his 40 mins of 5v5 ice time.
Cooper Marody - Opposition - On Ice - Natural Stat Trick
Microscopic impossible to draw conclusions from sample size aside, do wish we saw more of some of our young guys this year. Got my fill of seeing our bottom 6, and bottom 9 for the last half the year be black hole of suck. But, COVID and all and 2 week isolations etc... bummer.
I hope so.
I was mostly just saying that you cant just waive your hand and say "You cant predict the future" at every move. Thats not how GMing works lol.
Regularly scratching a 5.75 million dollar player makes it a lopsided trade if the upcoming season resembles the last.Lucic also contributes to other teams. Did a lot of that this year.
He’s not worth his buyout proof contract.
Yes I want out of the Neal contract but in no way shape or form is it a fleecing if we don’t.
Yep. He’s a must buyout if we can’t trade him IMO.Regularly scratching a 5.75 million dollar player makes it a lopsided trade if the upcoming season resembles the last.
Had AA performed for us like he played for LA, we'd be very happy with the trade.
Why do you and so many here think we are taking him on without returning a contract??It doesn't come cheap. It comes at the cost of a 5.5 million dollar cap hit. The Oilers picked up Ryan Smyth back in 2011 for "mentorship" purposes and it did f*** all for the team. What that trade actually was is a titanic fleecing where the LA Kings dumped a huge negative value contract onto us for little cost and opened up an opportunity to acquire Carter+Richards and go on their Cup runs.
Regularly scratching a 5.75 million dollar player makes it a lopsided trade if the upcoming season resembles the last.