Rumor: Rumors & Proposals thread: Vatanen gone as well

[gordonhught]

You still don't pick Sergachev 4th.

No one has him rated that high.

He's more of the same of what the Oilers have on d. A kid.

They need established D men and Sergachev isn't the answer.

Everyone had Yakupov rated high. P.K. Subban was not rated high. Can we all agree that pre-draft rankings by the talking heads should be given little deference here?

 

[belair]

Everyone had Yakupov rated high. P.K. Subban was not rated high. Can we all agree that pre-draft rankings by the talking heads should be given little deference here?

No.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Vatanen and Trouba?

Shattenkirk and Demers.

But hey, look guys, there's still options! Many!

It's not over until the dust settles.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Pretty much, it's at the point where the Oilers would probably have to retain on a trade of Hall for Spurgeon just to make it work.

Wouldn't be shocked if Goligoski signs in Arizona. Team on the rise. The Oilers? Well...

 

[North]

Pretty much, it's at the point where the Oilers would probably have to retain on a trade of Hall for Spurgeon just to make it work.

There is no smoke and no fire.

Just people panicking before it's even time to start.

The season just ended.

You want to waste a pick on a kid that isn't ready and is not rated 4th by experts.

How does that solve the Oilers problems now?

It doesn't. They'll still have the same problem defense wise when the season starts.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Shattenkirk and Demers.

But hey, look guys, there's still options! Many!

It's not over until the dust settles.

The Stars shipping out Goligoski likely means they're retaining Demers. And Shattenkirk isn't coming here. St. Louis was two games from the Cup Final, but he's gonna go to a team that barely held off the Leafs for last place.

 

[40oz]

I don't know about that. I have heard him speak about this issue on several occasions and he comes across as a big complainer to me. How good a reporter he might be is irrelevant.

There are many people who report on sports and he seems to take the lead in complaining about this issue. I do not hear Bob McKenzie going on about this type of thing like Friedman does.

I think it is simply a lack of seasoning and a bit of immaturity on Friedman's part.

Its absolutely NOT irrelevant. He's constantly being misrepresented and as a reporter that's a big deal.

Lack of seasoning? Immaturity?

 

[Not Robin Brownlee]

Chiarelli is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat, the same way nobody expected Maroon. So relax.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

There is no smoke and no fire.

Just people panicking before it's even time to start.

The season just ended.

You want to waste a pick on a kid that isn't ready and is not rated 4th by experts.

How does that solve the Oilers problems now?

It doesn't. They'll still have the same problem defense wise when the season starts.

So what's the solution? Get Shattenkirk for a year then watch him **** off to the Kings? Smart teams don't offload their defensemen for picks. If only that ***hat in Boston wasn't a circus clown....

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

My two targets are still available.

I'm not panicking yet.

I still believe.

"starts rocking back and forth"

Unless someone wanted Gudbransson aren't everyones targets still available?

Sakic's quote could just be posturing, Barrie might still be available.

There are rumors that Hamonic might still be moved despite rescinding his trade request.

and Goligoski's rights being traded aren't the same as him actually signing.

Still tons of options and time to go, I wouldn't get wrapped up in rumors either its not like a players availability is determined solely by the number or rumors they are or aren't in.

 

[nabob]

I think June 16th shatters the previous record. The freaking out didn't start until the end of June last year.

It started about two days after the draft last year. No McDavid this year to keep the crazies at bay for a bit. The cup was just handed out a few days ago

 

[Shizuka]

Do not forget Stauffer's ruminations from a week or two ago: greater than 50% chance either Hall or Nuge goes. I cannot believe he would float something 'dangerous' like that into the public sphere if there wasn't any bite to it.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Why is everyone getting all negative because a couple of players we heard might be available, are 'apparently' not available now.

1) There is a very good chance that who we are targeting is someone that we didn't know was available. Who called the Maroon trade last year?

2) Just because a GM says a player isn't available, doesnt mean anything. Its always wise to keep that attitude with that player until he is no longer your teams property.

3) There will be so many more guys available than what we have heard rumoured. Tight cap, expansion draft coming and many teams desperate for scoring, we will have no problem making moves.

 

[Raab]

If they're elite, shouldn't they be winning awards?

And I cherry picked the guy that won last year and the guy that won the year before Ekblad. So 2 out of the previous 3 years. There's plenty of crap on that list--we drafted two of them since 2000.

Yea Sproul won it his draft+ 2years, and Deangelo won it his draft + 1 year. Out of the last 10 years those are literally the two worst guys on that list. We could use pretty well every other dman on that list since 2005-06. And the list of guys who've won in their draft years: Pronger, Doughty, Ekblad, Berard, Ellis. Thats a pretty damn good list.

If it's so easy to win and doesn't mean much why couldn't our defensive saviour Nurse win it after playing 2 extra years in the league?

 

[Stud Muffin]

The Stars shipping out Goligoski likely means they're retaining Demers. And Shattenkirk isn't coming here. St. Louis was two games from the Cup Final, but he's gonna go to a team that barely held off the Leafs for last place.

Sounds like there not even going to offer him a Contract. My guess is there going Yandle Hunting.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Why is everyone getting all negative because a couple of players we heard might be available, are 'apparently' not available now.

1) There is a very good chance that who we are targeting is someone that we didn't know was available. Who called the Maroon trade last year?

There is a significantly large difference between acquiring a second line winger and acquiring a top 4 defenseman.

2) Just because a GM says a player isn't available, doesnt mean anything. Its always wise to keep that attitude with that player until he is no longer your teams property.

It's a good way to drive prices up. In other words, no thanks. See you later.

3) There will be so many more guys available than what we have heard rumoured. Tight cap, expansion draft coming and many teams desperate for scoring, we will have no problem making moves.

This team needs a makeover, an overhaul, an explosion, a Miley Cyrus concert.... Well, a lot for it to even be competitive. We need at least 2 top 4 defensemen if not more than that. It's not likely to happen without significant overpay.

 

[SDig14]

We need to be drafting high end D AND trading 1 or 2 forwards for established D if we can. Not one or the other.

I'd be trying to trade one of RNH or Eberle and still drafting Sergachev or Juolevi.

 

[SK13]

Its absolutely NOT irrelevant. He's constantly being misrepresented and as a reporter that's a big deal.

Lack of seasoning? Immaturity?

Part of it stems from how Friedman writes and talks. There's a lot of wishy-washy "maybe" language from him and I think that's easier to misconstrue than, say, Bob McKenzie - who is very concise and clear.

Note: Having said that, I respect Elliot Friedman. I think, after McKenzie, he is the best in the business.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Do not forget Stauffer's ruminations from a week or two ago: greater than 50% chance either Hall or Nuge goes. I cannot believe he would float something 'dangerous' like that into the public sphere if there wasn't any bite to it.

I think Barrie not being avalible changes this.

 

[North]

So what's the solution? Get Shattenkirk for a year then watch him **** off to the Kings? Smart teams don't offload their defensemen for picks. If only that ***hat in Boston wasn't a circus clown....

The solution is not to draft for need.

Sergachev is a future solution not a now solution.

What happens when the Oil draft him and he's not ready?

The same thing that happened last season.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Sounds like there not even going to offer him a Contract. My guess is there going Yandle Hunting.

Oh crap I forgot that pylon Russell is available. Don't do it Chiarelli!

Also the Stars are braindead if they let all three go for nothing and go for Yandle.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

With every dman that drops off the market, I'm getting more and more worried that Chia is going to overpay a ridiculous amount for a defenseman.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The solution is not to draft for need.

Sergachev is a future solution not a now solution.

What happens when the Oil draft him and he's not ready?

The same thing that happened last season.

So where do the defensemen that we so desperately need come from? If Chiarelli is smart he drafts a good defenseman then keeps him in the minors. Bring in some plugs to fill the lineup and that's it. Anyone who thinks the Oilers stand a chance of being competitive next year is out of their minds.

Just because you draft a player high doesn't mean you need to play him right away. Sadly the Oilers don't seem to get this memo.

 

[Shizuka]

I think Barrie not being avalible changes this.

I wouldn't have seen Hall going for Barrie though, and if you trade Nuge you leave McDavid and Draisaitl going against all the other teams' heavies at C for an entire season? You'd think this stupid oversight would learn not to continually keep throwing young prospects to the wolves and hampering their development. I would hope Chiarelli isn't stupid enough to move Hall or Nuge; Eberle is the one who he should think of first, if needed, but perhaps he isn't getting the kind of response he'd like on offers.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Sounds like there not even going to offer him a Contract. My guess is there going Yandle Hunting.

They also basically can't re-sign Demers anyways.

Klingberg, Johns, Honka all shoot right and all are in the future plans.