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[belair]

Watching the Flyers/Blues game right now and Ristolainen is playing pretty well. Playing with confidence, has some good mobility and still plays with an edge.

 

[Jarvi]

You could have said this about all our forwards before arvidsson got hurt. He was one of the more productive ones at the time as sad as that is.

Podz had like 1 point at that time…

But Podz and others weren't stapled to Leon...

I agree, we could use a better forward to play with Leon. Actually, I wanna see Skinner there for a bit before we make a move. But Arvidsson has been a big disappointment and I would be fine to see him go if we could get an upgrade.

 

[TheNumber4]

Zero chance we were winning a bidding war for Jiricek. Managements goal is clearly to use our picks/Prospects for proven NHL players for the playoff run. No way they’re giving all that up for a player that’s won’t help us for a few more seasons if he pans out.

Only ever made sense in a 1 for 1-ish prospect swap. Not trading an entire draft class of picks.

Although, i think the trade is actually more towards fair value than a fleecing in either direction now. It’ll all come down to Jiriceks play.

 

[Cloned]

Gonna be funny when that Flames hot streak to start the season results in them drafting 10-14 instead of 1-5.

 

[Heavy Dee]

It's entertaining watching the Flames try to score.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

It's entertaining watching the Flames try to score.

Flames have gone so many game scoring less than 3 goals

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

But Podz and others weren't stapled to Leon...

I agree, we could use a better forward to play with Leon. Actually, I wanna see Skinner there for a bit before we make a move. But Arvidsson has been a big disappointment and I would be fine to see him go if we could get an upgrade.

literally everyone was struggling including the forwards stapled to Leon and McDavid.

 

[Jarvi]

literally everyone was struggling including the forwards stapled to Leon and McDavid.

OK, so do you not see how its more of a problem that the 4m guy stapled to Leon struggling is a bigger issue than the guy playing in the bottom 6 on a cheap deal? And how when given opportunity, that cheap guy produced at the same rate. Is that not an issue to you?

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Do you follow his wife on X or Twitter? I love her personality and how blunt she is. She is not a fan of us(oiler fans) and how we treated her husband towards his last stand with us. For me she is the prefect hockey wife but she is from Texas and calls it they way she sees it

I find her obnoxious although I only saw a few of her posts.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Only ever made sense in a 1 for 1-ish prospect swap. Not trading an entire draft class of picks.

Although, i think the trade is actually more towards fair value than a fleecing in either direction now. It’ll all come down to Jiriceks play.

Personally I think that is a solid deal for Minnesota. Give up one NHL ready body, a likely mid 1st round pick and space lottery ticket ones over multiple years. Minnesota and Gueren have been playing with one hand behind their back with Parise Suter buy-outs but solid core and quality young players.

Imagine C-Bus puts some of these picks in play to augment a young NHL roster and leverage their significant cap space to add a quality player(s).

 

[Zerotonine]

Gonna be funny when that Flames hot streak to start the season results in them drafting 10-14 instead of 1-5.

Typical flames move

 

[TheNumber4]

Watching the Flyers/Blues game right now and Ristolainen is playing pretty well. Playing with confidence, has some good mobility and still plays with an edge.

Apparently the analytics are backing that up too. Interesting option. I wondered about him last year.

It's entertaining watching the Flames try to score.

Talentless hack hockey seems to follow the Team rather than GM. It’s just their brand.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Typical flames move

Calgary doesn't have their own first!

Wow Florida embarrasses Carolina. Tale of the two Spencers.

Apparently the analytics are backing that up too. Interesting option. I wondered about him last year.


Talentless hack hockey seems to follow the Team rather than GM. It’s just their brand.

Calgary has most of a team with their defense starting to gel. They really lack for a top line center and even a consistent 2nd line guy. Hard to score lacking that much vision.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

OK, so do you not see how it’s more of a problem that the 4m guy stapled to Leon struggling is a bigger issue than the guy playing in the bottom 6 on a cheap deal? And how when given opportunity, that cheap guy produced at the same rate. Is that not an issue to you?

My point is Hyman, Nuge, Arvidsson, Podz, Henrique, Skinner, Brown, etc were all playing like shit when arvidsson went down. The whole group of forwards were sucking. So It’s weird to hate on specifically arvidsson when he was actually one of the more productive forwards of the group at the time.

Practically all of our forwards have been an issue haha podz is a nice surprise.

 

[TheNumber4]

Personally I think that is a solid deal for Minnesota. Give up one NHL ready body, a likely mid 1st round pick and space lottery ticket ones over multiple years. Minnesota and Gueren have been playing with one hand behind their back with Parise Suter buy-outs but solid core and quality young players.

Imagine C-Bus puts some of these picks in play to augment a young NHL roster and leverage their significant cap space to add a quality player(s).

I think it makes sense for the Wild. If they beleive in Jiricek that’s a huge hole filled.

People are saying Waddel got fleeced. But when a prospect and his agent start bitching, more often then not it’s best to move along while draft pedigree and value is high, then to try to play games with the prospect and force them to stay with the organization. We’ve seen that story around here plenty. And we’ve seen it more often around the league too, with teams cutting bait as soon as that happens.

 

[Jarvi]

My point is Hyman, Nuge, Arvidsson, Podz, Henrique, Skinner, Brown, etc were all playing like shit when arvidsson went down. The whole group of forwards were sucking. So It’s weird to hate on specifically arvidsson when he was actually one of the more productive forwards of the group at the time.

Of those, the only ones comparable with deployment and minutes are Nuge and Hyman. And I'm critical of both of them too, but I give leeway to Nuge for being a Swiss army knife, and cmon it's Nuge, he isnt ever getting traded. And Hyman was insane last year, so he gets a ton of slack as well.

Idk maybe he turns it around, I don't think it's our biggest issue by far, especially with Kane hopefully back by playoffs. But be honest, when he was signed, if I told you he would be pacing for 25pts, and going through a lengthy injury 1/4 into the season, would you be happy?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

JFC. All this for a primadonna defenceman. Way over the established market values of previously traded 1st round defenceman. The power of shopping around I guess.

How about that Broberg return though. Broberg could very well be better than Jiricek.

A 2nd and 4M in cap space for a guy who can’t stay healthy.

Edit: sorry a 2nd a 3rd, Fischer and 4M cap space for a guy who can’t stay healthy.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Of those, the only ones comparable with deployment and minutes are Nuge and Hyman. And I'm critical of both of them too, but I give leeway to Nuge for being a Swiss army knife, and cmon it's Nuge, he isnt ever getting traded. And Hyman was insane last year, so he gets a ton of slack as well.

Idk maybe he turns it around, I don't think it's our biggest issue by far, especially with Kane hopefully back by playoffs. But be honest, when he was signed, and I told you he would be pacing for 25pts, and going through a lengthy injury 1/4 into the season, would you be happy?

No I wouldn’t be happy but if you told me any of the forwards would be on their current pace I wouldn’t be happy.

He needs to be better and deserves criticism but so does pretty much everyone else.

I don’t believe half the Oiler forward group became bad hockey players over the summer. I think they turn it around and that includes Arvidsson.

Injuries are a concern for sure though. Cant contribute from the press box.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Watching the Flyers/Blues game right now and Ristolainen is playing pretty well. Playing with confidence, has some good mobility and still plays with an edge.

I wanna like Risto but I’d be concerned that his recently improved game is a product of the Tortorella system. I shudder to think of him in the Oilers system with Nurse as a partner and Connor/Leon as his center.

 

[McDNicks17]

Risto would be fine if he was paid like $2.5M or something.

A reclamation project with $15+M left on his contract is a non-starter.

 

[Oilhawks]

Almost like it’s much harder to win without having every advantage in the book.

The drafting is alright given where they've drafted at, but I don't really like what he's done to build around the team. Vaunted and severely overrated GM

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Is Jensen any good and staying in OTT? He seems to be one of the few guys there who is a plus player lol

 

[Heavy Dee]

There is no shame getting blown out by the Pens lol

 

[foshizzle]

I got my data from watching the games. Now since you love spreadsheets, I decided to check my bias, and now I'm wondering where you get your stats? As per money puck for last playoffs

OIxGA/60
Broberg- 3.3
Nurse- 3.48
Ceci- 2.94

For high danger it is the same pattern, Ceci the best with Nurse the worst, by far.

For goals for, it does look worse for Ceci, same with Kulak, Brown, Vinny and all of our defensive players. but it follows with my logical conclusion that he was facing the tough competition with poor offensive linemates. Of course they won't have a ton of expected goals for, whatever the hell those are. In reality, what happened is Ceci provided us with some crucial points in big moments, and Darnell made some egregious mistakes (Ceci did too) and provided little actual offense. Like some of Nurse's decisions last year were mind boggling, thank God he seems to be back on track this year so far.

I don't see a stat that Nurse bested Broberg in for you to back that claim up at all. On ice S% isn't it, that can point to a Dman forcing opponents to spots where the goalie is more comfortable making a save, regardless of whether nerds call it high danger or not.

Was Evander Kane better defensively than half the team? Was Perry, who was scratched, better at moving the needle than Ekholm? Look at what actually happened, and the On ice goal differential and it's a lot closer to the eye test than whatever some dork says is an expected goal.

Oh Jesus Christ- you say look at the quality of teammates Ceci was on the ice with and then totally ignore the QoC. On ice save % is a huge deal too.

I have no clue what your point is with Evander Kane.

Clearly you dont even understand what you posted and your logical conclusions aren’t very logical. Ceci’s xGar- which takes into account all the underlying metrics is 2%. Broberg’s xGA while on ice surpassed Nurse’s.

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[North]

And their 2nd and their 3rd and their 4th? And a prospect that's probably equal or greater than what we have in Beau Akey?

Hunt is a prospect we don't really have right now. An NHL-ready young D currently thriving in the A.

I was all for targeting Jiricek, but that would've been a pretty big dent. That was a lot of trade capital that the Oilers do not have.

I agree. We need someone who can make an impact now.