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[bucks_oil]

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This was Dubnyk stats during his time in the decade of darkness. It was actually good aside from the early stinkers he lets in. Stuart Skinner with the Oilers playing perfect D shouldn't be compared to Dubnyk.

Schwartz sucks. But he's not entirely a fault when Skinner plays like poop

Dubnyk was solid except for the stinkers agree there.

Our team is playing far from perfect D. I agree we are generally playing a very tight game defensively, but the breakdowns are pretty stark when they do happen (example McD's neutral zone giveaway on the first GA last night created a high quality odd man rush).

Teams like ours can have the effect of punishing SPCT... meaning we have the lion's share of possession, but then inevitable mistakes happen... like they do to every team certainly, but on a high-possession team, the goalie didn't face 15 other perimeter shots to pad his stats. We tend to only give up the gaffers.

That’s not entirely true.

He sucked with the Preds.

He didn’t really start putting it together until he got to Minnesota.

Fair... apparently he had some stuff to work out on the personal front - at least according to the Preds coach or GM at the time (can't quite remember who).

 

[bucks_oil]

Schwartz never coached Dubnyk. Dubnyk was traded in Jan 2014, Schwartz was hired in Nov 2014,

Dubnyk was coached by Fredric Chabot, who was scapegoated(by fans and Mact) back then for similar reasons(the failure of the goaltenders). Amusing sidenote - once Dubnyk settled in Minny, he had the Wild hire Chabot so he could go back to working with him again.

Ok... well I stand corrected. Thanks for that.

Still, I think we can all agree that whatever Edmonton is doing in goal, it isn't quite enough. Whether that's off ice personnel or just on-ice, impossible to really know unless you were on the inside.

I do think in general, the position has been an afterthought all too often. Which is strange considering the old boys enjoyed Moog, Fuhr, Ranford, Cujo, even a few good years of Salo, Roloson.... and then it all fell off a cliff.

 

[Jarvi]

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Oh Jesus Christ- you say look at the quality of teammates Ceci was on the ice with and then totally ignore the QoC. On ice save % is a huge deal too.

I have no clue what your point is with Evander Kane.

Clearly you dont even understand what you posted and your logical conclusions aren’t very logical. Ceci’s xGar- which takes into account all the underlying metrics is 2%. Broberg’s xGA while on ice surpassed Nurse’s.

An excellent article here.

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I laid it out pretty clearly, if you can't understand then that's a you problem. Read slow, sound it out, you'll get it.

Broberg's expected goals against per 60 did not surpass Nurse's. Again I ask, where are you seeing that stat, because money puck says differently. I didn't ignore QoC, it was part of my argument lmao.


I bring up Kane because he had better expected goals against numbers than many, despite playing pretty poorly with his injury etc. It was just pointing out the silliness of basing your entire argument on advanced stats, rather than taking reality into account.

Also I like how your article directly contradicts what you said earlier. It clearly states that Nurse only had somewhat positive results with Broberg, no one else, and that Broberg and Ceci had positive results together as well, better than Nurse-Broberg.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Podkolzin too, but he's not done well at all.

Ahem ahem

 

[foshizzle]

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I laid it out pretty clearly, if you can't understand then that's a you problem. Read slow, sound it out, you'll get it.

Broberg's expected goals against per 60 did not surpass Nurse's. Again I ask, where are you seeing that stat, because money puck says differently. I didn't ignore QoC, it was part of my argument lmao.


I bring up Kane because he had better expected goals against numbers than many, despite playing pretty poorly with his injury etc. It was just pointing out the silliness of basing your entire argument on advanced stats, rather than taking reality into account.

Also I like how your article directly contradicts what you said earlier. It clearly states that Nurse only had somewhat positive results with Broberg, no one else, and that Broberg and Ceci had positive results together as well, better than Nurse-Broberg.

I read it slowly, sounded it out- pretended I was 5 (your age I presume) and your conclusions still made no sense. I’ll break it down for you-

1) you used an expected goals/60. Broberg’s sample size it ridiculously small. You cherry picked a number

2) I guess you didn’t read the article. Showed Broberg didn’t play as awesome as you thought.

3) The article also didn’t say Ceci played well. It was an article on how Broberg performed on his left and right side. I suggest you read slow, sound out the words, you’ll get it.

I’ll go back to the bottom line. Ceci is a bad defenceman- no matter what you say. Broberg didn’t play as well you think- no matter what you say. You said you watch the games with your eyes- maybe get your eyes checked.

Gonna be funny when that Flames hot streak to start the season results in them drafting 10-14 instead of 1-5.

What’s funnier is that now they are talking about trading for a top 6 centre for the playoffs. I live in Calgary. The Flames will forever be locked in mediocrity

 

[Jumptheshark]

I find her obnoxious although I only saw a few of her posts.

She is from Texas(I think) and shoot from the hip

 

[Captain Controversy]

I assume Arvidson will be resting until playoffs.
Oilers should try to acquire kostin so we have 3 bangers.
Kane, podz and kostin.

 

[Jarvi]

I read it slowly, sounded it out- pretended I was 5 (your age I presume) and your conclusions still made no sense. I’ll break it down for you-

1) you used an expected goals/60. Broberg’s sample size it ridiculously small. You cherry picked a number

2) I guess you didn’t read the article. Showed Broberg didn’t play as awesome as you thought.

3) The article also didn’t say Ceci played well. It was an article on how Broberg performed on his left and right side. I suggest you read slow, sound out the words, you’ll get it.

I’ll go back to the bottom line. Ceci is a bad defenceman- no matter what you say. Broberg didn’t play as well you think- no matter what you say. You said you watch the games with your eyes- maybe get your eyes checked.


What’s funnier is that now they are talking about trading for a top 6 centre for the playoffs. I live in Calgary. The Flames will forever be locked in mediocrity

Man, what the f*** are you talking about. You brought up xGA... I went to check the numbers, because I didn't believe you that Nurse was better than Broberg in that regard, and it turns out he wasn't.

Yeah, I read the article. I brought up two notes it made, that back up my points. And I'm not saying Broberg was great, I'm saying he was able to help elevate what was possibly our worst Dman during the playoff run. Also that Ceci in a lesser role, could be of value had we been in on Jiricek as we know he shows up in big games and that he can PK adequately.

Like you are creating a strawman here, my point isn't that either of Broberg or Ceci are elite. I don't know how you got that.

 

[foshizzle]

Man, what the f*** are you talking about. You brought up xGA... I went to check the numbers, because I didn't believe you that Nurse was better than Broberg in that regard, and it turns out he wasn't.

Yeah, I read the article. I brought up two notes it made, that back up my points. And I'm not saying Broberg was great, I'm saying he was able to help elevate what was possibly our worst Dman during the playoff run. Also that Ceci in a lesser role, could be of value had we been in on Jiricek as we know he shows up in big games and that he can PK adequately.

Like you are creating a strawman here, my point isn't that either of Broberg or Ceci are elite. I don't know how you got that.

I said xGA- you went to xGA/60. Different stats.

Dude, you are the one creating the strawman. Go back to my original reply to your comment. Ceci bad. You seem to think he isn’t and you would welcome him back. I’ll go back to my original point. Ceci bad. Broberg didn’t elevate Nurse.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I assume Arvidson will be resting until playoffs.
Oilers should try to acquire kostin so we have 3 bangers.
Kane, podz and kostin.

Adding Kostin would also hopefully make Beryozkin's transition here easier too (If we sign him).

 

[Jarvi]

I said xGA- you went to xGA/60. Different stats.

Dude, you are the one creating the strawman. Go back to my original reply to your comment. Ceci bad. You seem to think he isn’t and you would welcome him back. I’ll go back to my original point. Ceci bad. Broberg didn’t elevate Nurse.

Wow, so you are against a per60 of the exact same stat? Talk about picking nits, grasping at straws.

Again, show me where you see that Nurse had a better xGA than Broberg last playoffs. You made the claim and have yet to back it up. I watch a lot of hockey, I don't spend a lot of time looking at stats. You seem to be the opposite, so I am fully aware I may not know where to find it, but every source I have found says that you are wrong and flat out lied about that.

And again, your own link contradicts that. It plainly states that Broberg-Nurse was the only Nurse pairing with a positive goal differential. If that isn't elevating, what is??

 

[TheNumber4]

Is Jensen any good and staying in OTT? He seems to be one of the few guys there who is a plus player lol

Reviews outta Ottawa have been really good I heard. Considered him last year as a Ceci upgrade. Still, I want more offense than a Jensen can provide.

Adding Kostin would also hopefully make Beryozkin's transition here easier too (If we sign him).

Scored his first and I think also got an assist lately. Might be losing our chance to steal him back.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Adding Kostin would also hopefully make Beryozkin's transition here easier too (If we sign him).

You would be sending Klim to the A.?

 

[Captain Controversy]

Adding Kostin would also hopefully make Beryozkin's transition here easier too (If we sign him).

What would it take to get kostin out of San jose? I can't imagine that much if anything at all.
Gotta trade a contract for contract and hope for retention..

 

[foshizzle]

Wow, so you are against a per60 of the exact same stat? Talk about picking nits, grasping at straws.

Again, show me where you see that Nurse had a better xGA than Broberg last playoffs. You made the claim and have yet to back it up. I watch a lot of hockey, I don't spend a lot of time looking at stats. You seem to be the opposite, so I am fully aware I may not know where to find it, but every source I have found says that you are wrong and flat out lied about that.

And again, your own link contradicts that. It plainly states that Broberg-Nurse was the only Nurse pairing with a positive goal differential. If that isn't elevating, what is??

No- I watch a lot but also validate what I’m seeing. You don’t. Your biases mean more than facts. No, not against per 60 stats, but then you need to bring in sample size. You clearly failed high school math. Clearly you aren’t aware that Nurse historically performed better away from Ceci with all partners. So no, your “logical” assumption isn’t correct. Like I said- Ceci brought down all partners. Again- Ceci is bad.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Man I love Kostin but I’m not sure, we’ve got so many forwards when everyone is healthy. If everyone were healthy today we’d probably have to scratch Perry, if we had Kostin we’d have to choose between him and Janmark most likely, I choose Janmark for the PK.

Are we gonna have everyone healthy this season? Maybe not. Maybe we trade a forward for a dman and there’s more room.

 

[TheNumber4]

Extremely interested to see how this plays out. Could the Wild really go into the playoffs with this guy? I mean what’a worst case scenario? He takes Bogosians spot?

I hate to see it, but in the age of nagging agents and young players whining to get what they want. Trusting your prospects might be the way to go, and if you don’t trust them just trade the headache before they snake their way off your team anyways.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Man I love Kostin but I’m not sure, we’ve got so many forwards when everyone is healthy. If everyone were healthy today we’d probably have to scratch Perry, if we had Kostin we’d have to choose between him and Janmark most likely, I choose Janmark for the PK.

Are we gonna have everyone healthy this season? Maybe not. Maybe we trade a forward for a dman and there’s more room.

If skinner doesn't adapt a responsible style of play, I would flip him to san Jose. He would have waive though.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

5pts in 16 games equals "works with Leon"?? The guy f***ing sucks so far this year. Podkolzin who is younger, and can contribute in more areas, and is a fraction of the cost is pacing for the same basically.

Agreed. Not gonna write off Arviddson yet, but this has been a HORRIBLE start to his 2 year deal. No one can argue that. Jeff Skinner has been a better signing (cheaper, one year instead of 2, and at least he can stay healthy enough to suit up). Hope Arviddson comes back and turns his game and season around, but I have my doubts.

Pod has brought the work ethic, effort, and physical play, and as of late, some production. He might end up being a steal. If only one of Arviddson or Pod can have a really good season, let's say 40 points minimum, I would prefer that it ends up being Pod, bigger, younger, cheaper.

 

[McTonyBrar]

5pts in 16 games equals "works with Leon"?? The guy f***ing sucks so far this year. Podkolzin who is younger, and can contribute in more areas, and is a fraction of the cost is pacing for the same basically.

You're making a judgement on an annual 20 goal scorer after 16 games?

This is such a ridiculous take. So bad. Even worse than your emotional outbreaks. No- the breakout game isn’t awful. You know that little thing they always show- the shot clock- there is a reason that Oilers outshoot their opponents- it’s because they breakout the puck well. You know why they generate so many scoring chances and prevent them- the breakout.

Your statement of “defense doesn’t mean not allowing goals” is comical. That’s exactly what defence means. Prevent goals. You’re always on Bouchard- he is one of the best in the league in transition.

Dude- this take is just horribly bad, not backed by any data. It is purely your bias based on what bad media says. Sportsnet, CBC, Staples (who I hate), Servalli, Stauffer- have all pointed out and said the Oilers defence is strong.

As far as your comparables- last year they couldn’t move the puck. They replaced Ceci with Stetcher who had good transitional defence metrics when he got here, Kulak, and now Nurse.

Really? Because it seems more like you being angry and having an emotional breakdown. LOL what? Bouchard is my favourite Dman on this team (second is Nurse). I wanted Bouchard ever since his 1st year in London but that doesn't mean I can't call him out on mistakes just like Nurse or McDavid or Leon.

Yes the breakout game isn't that good and not as good as it was last season. Broberg and Ceci helped with that. Bouchard and Ekholm are masters at it but they can't be on every shift. We need a puckmover on that second pair. It's the best we can do for our D so why not just get the headache out of the way?

Was I lying when I said Vegas and Florida had really good puckmoving Dmen on each pair or was I wrong?

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

While I wanted Jiricek, he went for a price I don't think we could realistically match.

I won't be shocked if in 2 years Minny's D is considered to be the best D-core in the league.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Adding Kostin would also hopefully make Beryozkin's transition here easier too (If we sign him).

This is me just being my usual self I guess. Beryozkin is from the Mongolin side of Russia--or border of Monglia and Russia. Kostin is from just outside or Moskow. Like with Canada, not all Russians are the same. Beryozkin is from the Asian side and Koskin is from the Europe side. Not all Russians get a long with each other

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Watch the Colorado game today to see a textbook example of how flawed Skinner is. Hope the Oilers win. However I have my doubts Skinner comes close to .900 this evening

For the record he had a 0.964 sv% on the night.

 

[Jarvi]

No- I watch a lot but also validate what I’m seeing. You don’t. Your biases mean more than facts. No, not against per 60 stats, but then you need to bring in sample size. You clearly failed high school math. Clearly you aren’t aware that Nurse historically performed better away from Ceci with all partners. So no, your “logical” assumption isn’t correct. Like I said- Ceci brought down all partners. Again- Ceci is bad.

All I'm hearing is that you can't back up your statement from earlier that Broberg had a worse xGA than Nurse. Why keep moving the goalposts and attacking me? Why lie?

I even gave you the benefit of the doubt and stated I may not be looking at the right source. Somehow you ignore that and just say I'm bad at math? Lmao, you're a clown.

 

[Jarvi]

You're making a judgement on an annual 20 goal scorer after 16 games?

I mean, I didn't say Arvidsson is a terrible player. I said he sucks so far this year, and that its silly to say he works with Leon when he hasnt produced at all, which is true. If he turns things around, I am open to changing my evaluation. So no, I am not making a judgement, but I'm also not against moving him for an upgrade if one becomes available, because with our window we can't afford to wait around for a season to see if he picks things up. I want this management to be ruthless like VGK, not coddle hired guns who are shooting blanks.