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[Zoupa]

I mean, I didn't say Arvidsson is a terrible player. I said he sucks so far this year, and that its silly to say he works with Leon when he hasnt produced at all, which is true. If he turns things around, I am open to changing my evaluation. So no, I am not making a judgement, but I'm also not against moving him for an upgrade if one becomes available, because with our window we can't afford to wait around for a season to see if he picks things up. I want this management to be ruthless like VGK, not coddle hired guns who are shooting blanks.

Part of the problem with assessing him is that pretty much everyone was struggling and he was doing a bit better right before his injury. I have confidence in him if he can stay healthy although even if healthy I guess it remains to be seen whether he's a 4 mil/year player.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

While I wanted Jiricek, he went for a price I don't think we could realistically match.

I won't be shocked if in 2 years Minny's D is considered to be the best D-core in the league.

Buffalo's D might be rockin next year and the year or two after there's a good chance Strbak will add to that. That will be 5 defensemen extremely fluid.
All they would have to add is a high end Defensive D to complete.

So does Jiricek meet with with Andy and Derek today? And does Jiricek's agent show up? Would love to be there for that couple of hours on the ice and in the room. Does Billy show up and tell the agent to GTFO? LOL.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Part of the problem with assessing him is that pretty much everyone was struggling and he was doing a bit better right before his injury. I have confidence in him if he can stay healthy although even if healthy I guess it remains to be seen whether he's a 4 mil/year player.

He is a bit of a question mark at this point but with his track record we should probably do a bit of coddling lol.
WE should probably coddle hired gun Hyman too and hired gun Kane when he comes back too.

The Edmonton Coddlers.
THIS IS NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT SEEMS and definitely not as fluid. Plus our management group and its decision making definitely does not measure up to the Golden Knights group. We need to plod along a little more.

 

[BarDownBobo]

If skinner doesn't adapt a responsible style of play, I would flip him to san Jose. He would have waive though.

Even if Skinner gets moved in season(which honestly seems more and more realistic each and every game) you’ve still got arguably 9 wingers here already who would be above a Kostin on the depth chart: RNH, Hyman, Kane, Arvidsson, Podkolzin, Brown, Janmark, Kapanen and Perry. Add in that Derek Ryan should probably be a wing option later in the year once either Philp takes the 4C slot or they trade for someone in that role and it’s just really hard to see a spot for Kostin this year.

I do think he’d be a great option to try and bring in next summer as a bottom 6 replacement once Perry and Ryan presumably retire though.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

If skinner doesn't adapt a responsible style of play, I would flip him to san Jose. He would have waive though.

Flipping Skinner for Kostin is something Peter Chiarelli would do.

 

[McFlash97]

For the record he had a 0.964 sv% on the night.

Hey man. Did Colorado look dangerous at all tonight? ... team looked like it was going through the motions. However, good for Skinner. Good game. Props.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

This is me just being my usual self I guess. Beryozkin is from the Mongolin side of Russia--or border of Monglia and Russia. Kostin is from just outside or Moskow. Like with Canada, not all Russians are the same. Beryozkin is from the Asian side and Koskin is from the Europe side. Not all Russians get a long with each other

Do they speak the same language? It's more about having people around that speak the same language and can help with his transition from Russia than them being bff's. If they happen to become best buds, great. If not so be it.

 

[McFlash97]

Even if Skinner gets moved in season(which honestly seems more and more realistic each and every game) you’ve still got arguably 9 wingers here already who would be above a Kostin on the depth chart: RNH, Hyman, Kane, Arvidsson, Podkolzin, Brown, Janmark, Kapanen and Perry. Add in that Derek Ryan should probably be a wing option later in the year once either Philp takes the 4C slot or they trade for someone in that role and it’s just really hard to see a spot for Kostin this year.

I do think he’d be a great option to try and bring in next summer as a bottom 6 replacement once Perry and Ryan presumably retire though.

Watching Kapanen, I'm under the impression, we need players who can move. Create energy and have quickness. The Oilers were built to have decent skill on the wings but tons of energy. The C provided the IQ. Guys like Skinner are the opposite of this, Includes Corey Perry, who should be rotating in and out of the 4th line and the press box. Derek Ryan is done.

 

[OilerTyler]

Flipping Skinner for Kostin is something Peter Chiarelli would do.

Yeah. People are forgetting that Kostin is a disaster in the defensive zone himself. He seems to lose the trust of every coach that he plays for.

 

[bobbythebrain]

While I wanted Jiricek, he went for a price I don't think we could realistically match.

I won't be shocked if in 2 years Minny's D is considered to be the best D-core in the league.

Member when Brodin wasn't good enough for this board? I member

 

[foshizzle]

You're making a judgement on an annual 20 goal scorer after 16 games?


Really? Because it seems more like you being angry and having an emotional breakdown. LOL what? Bouchard is my favourite Dman on this team (second is Nurse). I wanted Bouchard ever since his 1st year in London but that doesn't mean I can't call him out on mistakes just like Nurse or McDavid or Leon.

Yes the breakout game isn't that good and not as good as it was last season. Broberg and Ceci helped with that. Bouchard and Ekholm are masters at it but they can't be on every shift. We need a puckmover on that second pair. It's the best we can do for our D so why not just get the headache out of the way?

Was I lying when I said Vegas and Florida had really good puckmoving Dmen on each pair or was I wrong?

Again, you are just dead wrong. The breakout game is far superior this year. Ceci couldn’t breakout to save his life. Like one of the worst in the league. Checkout Lowetide’s article on the Oilers defence. He states (and proves) Oilers second pair right now is on par with other championship teams. I can’t believe you said Ceci was good at breaking the puck out….lol

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Again, you are just dead wrong. The breakout game is far superior this year. Ceci couldn’t breakout to save his life. Like one of the worst in the league. Checkout Lowetide’s article on the Oilers defence. He states (and proves) Oilers second pair right now is on par with other championship teams. I can’t believe you said Ceci was good at breaking the puck out….lol

I was about to say I’m pretty sure Coffey likes puck movers and it’s one of the reasons we dumped Ceci and VD.

 

[foshizzle]

All I'm hearing is that you can't back up your statement from earlier that Broberg had a worse xGA than Nurse. Why keep moving the goalposts and attacking me? Why lie?

I even gave you the benefit of the doubt and stated I may not be looking at the right source. Somehow you ignore that and just say I'm bad at math? Lmao, you're a clown.

You can hear all you want. You are bad at math. xGA/60 can be used when there is a larger sample size. There isn’t. I posted the article that showed Nurse and Broberg struggled. You missed that part. I’ll also admit I looked at the wrong line for xGA Line (just checked now). I havent moved any goalposts. I’ll say it clearly right here…

CECI IS BAD.

Clear enough for you? Talk about clown- take a look in the mirror.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

I don't see how Jeff Skinner fits in this lineup when Evander Kane comes back

 

[McFlash97]

Again, you are just dead wrong. The breakout game is far superior this year. Ceci couldn’t breakout to save his life. Like one of the worst in the league. Checkout Lowetide’s article on the Oilers defence. He states (and proves) Oilers second pair right now is on par with other championship teams. I can’t believe you said Ceci was good at breaking the puck out….lol

We just need a slightly more talented Kulak on the second pair.

Then we good.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You're making a judgement on an annual 20 goal scorer after 16 games?


Really? Because it seems more like you being angry and having an emotional breakdown. LOL what? Bouchard is my favourite Dman on this team (second is Nurse). I wanted Bouchard ever since his 1st year in London but that doesn't mean I can't call him out on mistakes just like Nurse or McDavid or Leon.

Yes the breakout game isn't that good and not as good as it was last season. Broberg and Ceci helped with that. Bouchard and Ekholm are masters at it but they can't be on every shift. We need a puckmover on that second pair. It's the best we can do for our D so why not just get the headache out of the way?

Was I lying when I said Vegas and Florida had really good puckmoving Dmen on each pair or was I wrong?

Ceci helped with the breakout game?

This has to be a joke right?

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I don't see how Jeff Skinner fits in this lineup when Evander Kane comes back

Lots could change by then. Could have injuries… Skinner could be on a heater.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Lots could change by then. Could have injuries… Skinner could be on a heater.

My issue is that he isn't a bottom 6 player so who does he push out because it doesn't look like he's bumping Podz.

If our top two lines are
RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Podz - Draisaitl - Arvidsson/Kane

 

[VeteranPresence]

I don't see how Jeff Skinner fits in this lineup when Evander Kane comes back

I don’t know if Kane can even be Kane in his first 20 games back so no problem having a little depth in front of him until he’s ready for top nine minutes IMO. Being able to get his feet wet in a fourth line role with lots of PP time is a good way to get him back into the swing of things:

Kapanen-McDavid-Hyman
Pods-Drai-RV
Skinner-RNH-Brown
Kane-Henrique-Janmark
+Perry and Ryan for injury coverage

 

[FlameChampion]

My issue is that he isn't a bottom 6 player so who does he push out because it doesn't look like he's bumping Podz.

If our top two lines are
RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Podz - Draisaitl - Arvidsson/Kane

Kane didn’t show much chemistry with McDavid or Draisaitl last year.

We will see how he plays when he gets back. I’d suggest people lower their expectations for a couple months.

Kane probably fits better in bottom 6 than top 6. I do think him and Henrique together is a bit too slow though.

 

[La Bamba]

My issue is that he isn't a bottom 6 player so who does he push out because it doesn't look like he's bumping Podz.

If our top two lines are
RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Podz - Draisaitl - Arvidsson/Kane

Fully healthy team, I'd run:

Hyman - McDavid - Kapanen
Kane - Draisaitl - Podkolzin
Skinner - RNH - Arvidsson
Janmark - Henrique - Brown
Perry, Ryan

No need for TDL adds up front, just give them time all year to gel

 

[McTonyBrar]

I don't see how Jeff Skinner fits into our lineup. I wish that wasn't the case.

But, with how Edmonton has been a bit for Podkolzin, I wouldn't mind taking Hoglander off of Vancouvers hands as well lol

 

[Jarvi]

You can hear all you want. You are bad at math. xGA/60 can be used when there is a larger sample size. There isn’t. I posted the article that showed Nurse and Broberg struggled. You missed that part. I’ll also admit I looked at the wrong line for xGA Line (just checked now). I havent moved any goalposts. I’ll say it clearly right here…

CECI IS BAD.

Clear enough for you? Talk about clown- take a look in the mirror.

Finally, only took like 5 replies for you to admit you were wrong. Thanks, I guess.

Maybe go look at my OP, I never said Ceci was great. I said Nurse was the worst (he was, using your own stats) and that Ceci took the brunt of the blame, because it's a lot easier for fans to admit that, than Nurse the most unmoveable of contracts, was absolutely terrible. I said Ceci was fine as a 3rd pair guy, and that if we got someone like Jiricek, a vet in that mould would also be ideal or else we would be thin on the right side if Jiricek failed to fit in by playoffs. Had we been in on Jiricek, we wouldn't have the trade capital to get a great top 4 rental too, so we would be stuck with the Ceci's of the world. Ceci has the benefit of knowing our systems, so no need to give him a bunch of minutes trying to get him to fit by playoffs, and he oddly showed up offensively in some big games which is always a plus. Neither of those show up on your spreadsheets though, so I guess I should have realized you wouldn't get it.

Again, not an endorsement that he should be the top 4 guy, but rather that I would be fine with him as a cheap, failsafe addition had we been in on a young guy who may or may not be ready for big minutes. The only reason I would be fine with this, is because Kulak and Nurse have both looked great, Stecher and Emberson have looked nice too, so our D isn't so much of an issue this year it seems. But that extra depth is crucial in the playoffs.

You need to really calm down, you got so worked up that your now keyboard yelling to go on top of your f*** up earlier with reading your precious spreadsheets.

 

[joestevens29]

Kane didn’t show much chemistry with McDavid or Draisaitl last year.

We will see how he plays when he gets back. I’d suggest people lower their expectations for a couple months.

Kane probably fits better in bottom 6 than top 6. I do think him and Henrique together is a bit too slow though.

I mean the guy had 24 goals and was hurt all year. Not sure what the heck people expect anymore

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

My issue is that he isn't a bottom 6 player so who does he push out because it doesn't look like he's bumping Podz.

If our top two lines are
RNH - McDavid - Hyman
Podz - Draisaitl - Arvidsson/Kane

Kane wasn’t great in the top 6, maybe it’s different when he’s healthy. Arvidsson is far from a lock. Podz has been great but we will see in a month.

Lots can change. Our Forward group healthy is very deep. Maybe we have a deadly 3rd line. I just cant see a player of Skinners talent level not in the lineup.