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[Soundwave]

Rodrigue is probably already better than Skinner but the Oilers don't really give chances. They prefer to trade them first and let other teams take chances.

Oilers are the hockey equivalent of the guy who marries the first girl he knows half way well and doesn't even try to test the dating pool and then realizes 15 years later he made a massive mistake.

We won't even give Pickard a run of games even though he has had significantly better numbers than Skinner because organizationally they've already made up their mind that "Stuey is our guy".

 

[Canovin]

So why don't Gibson's shitty stats matter for the previous years? Why is it only this year that actually matters?


If we're getting a new goalie it has to be a significant upgrade. I don't think that's too unreasonable an ask.

His stats are average outside of last year. Not the worst goaltending like you said. I think you're forgetting just how bad Dallas Eakins is.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Based on the fact we're not even in a playoff spot currently and I don't think they're ripping off any 16 game win streaks anytime soon.

7 points back of the division with a game in hand with 60 games to go...why do they need to win 16 in a row?

And again, almost doesn't cut it. And we've lost some pieces since the Cup run that haven't been adequately replaced.

that doesn't make it a bad GM though

Ideally we don't start slow every single year then have to play catchup.

then blame the leaders...Oilers have had different players and GMs come through and there's only 1 constant...

 

[Soundwave]

7 points back of the division with a game in hand with 60 games to go...why do they need to win 16 in a row?


that doesn't make it a bad GM though


then blame the leaders...Oilers have had different players and GMs come through and there's only 1 constant...

I blame the goaltending. Shoddy goaltending forces the team to play perfect mid-season form hockey from puck drop and that isn't going to happen in October when the team has been off for several months.

You have to have a goalie that gives you some margin for error.

 

[Canovin]

Oilers are the hockey equivalent of the guy who marries the first girl he knows half way well and doesn't even try to test the dating pool and then realizes 15 years later he made a massive mistake.

We won't even give Pickard a run of games even though he has had significantly better numbers than Skinner because organizationally they've already made up their mind that "Stuey is our guy".

No better time to take some test drives on some prosoects/players/goalies right now while Hyman, Arvid, Kane are out also while RNH, Skinner x2 aren't getting it done.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

His stats are average outside of last year. Not the worst goaltending like you said. I think you're forgetting just how bad Dallas Eakins is.

Average? 3.99 GAA and .899 sv% two years ago are "average"? Yeah Dallas Eakins sucks ass but none of the goalies that played on Eakins' rosters here even approached a GAA that high.

 

[Soundwave]

So again, why are Gibson's stats this year so relevant and the stats the previous 5 years so irrelevant?


We need to pass Vegas. They are directly in the path of a Stanley Cup.

Well yeah, that's how it's supposed to work. Winning the Cup isn't going to be a straight line to success with no major impediments.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

7 points back of the division with a game in hand with 60 games to go...why do they need to win 16 in a row?


that doesn't make it a bad GM though


then blame the leaders...Oilers have had different players and GMs come through and there's only 1 constant...

7 points back is a very large deficit to make up. That we already lost a key game to Vegas certainly didn't help. We were behind Vancouver all year last year and despite the incredible run we went on we never caught up.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not going to blame McDavid and Draisatl for the roster around them not picking up the slack.

 

[Arpeggio]

Teams are not equal

Skinner would have a 4GAA and 0.840 on Anaheim

Sure, whatever.

Skinner had multiple stretches last season where he was significantly better than he has been so far this season. He was .953 for the month January, .918 in March. You're throwing out Dan Vladar as if Skinner hasn't had recent stretches of 11 games where he's been significantly better.

I agree that we need someone to push Skinner, because he's young an inconsistent. A $3 million old guy who hasn't had a good season in five years is not the answer.

 

[Canovin]

Average? 3.99 GAA and .899 sv% two years ago are "average"? Yeah Dallas Eakins sucks ass but none of the goalies that played on Eakins' rosters here even approached a GAA that high.

.900 is considered average.
.910 is above average.
.920 is elite

 

[CanadasTeam99]

So why don't Gibson's shitty stats matter for the previous years? Why is it only this year that actually matters?


If we're getting a new goalie it has to be a significant upgrade. I don't think that's too unreasonable an ask.

We made the finals with Skinner being a half sieve. I don't think we need as big as an upgrade as people think.

I think Skinner is so mechanically flawed, that another teams backup will make everybody's eyes go wide open.

We need a goalie who can make 1 or 2 big stops when we need it. Not to carry us at all. We need a more athletic goalie.

A goalie that is even a little less than middle of the pack is a significant upgrade than what we have in net.

 

[Soundwave]

.900 is considered average.
.910 is above average.
.920 is elite

You can probably also say Gibson would be better on a team that isn't basically tanking for draft picks.

.899 in Anaheim under Eakins would be more like .910+ on an actual contender that's trying to win games.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

.900 is considered average.
.910 is above average.
.920 is elite

And the 3.99 GAA? Is that considered anywhere near average? And the -10 GSAA? Prior to this year according to your standards, Gibson has been at or below average since the end of the 2018-19 season.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Sure, whatever.

Skinner had multiple stretches last season where he was significantly better than he has been so far this season. He was .953 for the month January, .918 in March. You're throwing out Dan Vladar as if Skinner hasn't had recent stretches of 11 games where he's been significantly better.

I agree that we need someone to push Skinner, because he's young an inconsistent. A $3 million old guy who hasn't had a good season in five years is not the answer.

Skinners best stretch was when we went on a 16 game win streak and he was tested hard in maybe 2 games. The love affair with this guy is absolutely perplexing to me. How can anybody watch this guy in net and think he is a solution? lol

 

[Canovin]

You can probably also say Gibson would be better on a team that isn't basically tanking for draft picks.

.899 in Anaheim under Eakins would be more like .910+ on an actual contender that's trying to win games.

Something as simple as this is still hard for others to grasp

 

[Soundwave]

Sure, whatever.

Skinner had multiple stretches last season where he was significantly better than he has been so far this season. He was .953 for the month January, .918 in March. You're throwing out Dan Vladar as if Skinner hasn't had recent stretches of 11 games where he's been significantly better.

I agree that we need someone to push Skinner, because he's young an inconsistent. A $3 million old guy who hasn't had a good season in five years is not the answer.

Gibson wouldn't "push" Skinner, he'd take the starting job and never give it back. Skinner would never be the starter here again barring injury.

Dude can't even outperform Calvin Pickard, he'd get his lunch money stolen by Gibson playing behind a competent D system straight away.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We made the finals with Skinner being a half sieve. I don't think we need as big as an upgrade as people think.

I think Skinner is so mechanically flawed, that another teams backup will make everybody's eyes go wide open.

We need a goalie who can make 1 or 2 big stops when we need it. Not to carry us at all. We need a more athletic goalie.

A goalie that is even a little less than middle of the pack is a significant upgrade than what we have in net.

So what to you indicates that John Gibson is that goalie when virtually every stat and metric shows that he's been anything but?

Skinners best stretch was when we went on a 16 game win streak and he was tested hard in maybe 2 games. The love affair with this guy is absolutely perplexing to me. How can anybody watch this guy in net and think he is a solution? lol

Lmao, it's always Skinner's fault when the team loses and he's never a part of it when the team wins.

 

[Canovin]

And the 3.99 GAA? Is that considered anywhere near average? And the -10 GSAA? Prior to this year according to your standards, Gibson has been at or below average since the end of the 2018-19 season.

The .900 is the more important factor

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Sure, whatever.

Skinner had multiple stretches last season where he was significantly better than he has been so far this season. He was .953 for the month January, .918 in March. You're throwing out Dan Vladar as if Skinner hasn't had recent stretches of 11 games where he's been significantly better.

I agree that we need someone to push Skinner, because he's young an inconsistent. A $3 million old guy who hasn't had a good season in five years is not the answer.

See, I don't even want somebody that "can push SKinner". We seen what he is. He can't move. I don't trust this guy at all when it all boils down to it. He is way too inconsistent. This guy gets a crazy leash it is insane. We need him being a backup (which would happen b/c he isn't hard to outplay) or just get rid of him.

"Ohhh no, what will happen if we get rid of a guy who is atrocious 50% of the games he plays?"

So what to you indicates that John Gibson is that goalie when virtually every stat and metric shows that he's been anything but?


Lmao, it's always Skinner's fault when the team loses and he's never a part of it when the team wins.

Lets just start with a goalie who know how to move laterally. That will be a bonus in itself. Go from there.

 

[iCanada]

The thing to me about Gibson is that he's got that Fuhr / Smith competitive fire.

You can just see he's a visually different goaltender when his team has a chance to win, but at a certain point if the games out of reach he tilts off the face of the earth.

How many games have we played against the ducks where we dominate them for 20 minutes+20 shots to strike for first goal, then it takes another 15 minutes+15 shots for the second goal, and after that everything goes in?

I think this and playing on a really bad team has hurt Gibson's numbers a lot and getting him on a competitive team will awaken the best in him again. Keep in mind the ducks give up like the most chances against in the league and have the lowest scoring in the league for the last 5 tests running. It's a but it a gamble I suppose, but best case you get a Vezina quality guy - worst case you still upgrade Skinner.

Hell we saw this in action for years the other way in Edmonton. Guys would look like trash and not give a damn, be statistically awful. Untouchable, untradable. Yet they'd go somewhere else and suddenly have a career renaissance literally instantly.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

So what to you indicates that John Gibson is that goalie when virtually every stat and metric shows that he's been anything but?


Lmao, it's always Skinner's fault when the team loses and he's never a part of it when the team wins.

Weren’t you just whining about stats? Make up your mind.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

So what to you indicates that John Gibson is that goalie when virtually every stat and metric shows that he's been anything but?


Lmao, it's always Skinner's fault when the team loses and he's never a part of it when the team wins.

Use your eyes and watch him. That's all anybody needs to do. He can't track pucks and he can't move.

It's this simple. He sucks about 50% of the time he is in net. SOmehow people have a hardon for a goalie like this.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

See, I don't even want somebody that "can push SKinner". We seen what he is. He can't move. I don't trust this guy at all when it all boils down to it. He is way too inconsistent. This guy gets a crazy leash it is insane. We need him being a backup (which would happen b/c he isn't hard to outplay) or just get rid of him.

"Ohhh no, what will happen if we get rid of a guy who is atrocious 50% of the games he plays?"


Lets just start with a goalie who know how to move laterally. That will be a bonus in itself. Go from there.

Spending assets on a "maybe" that hasn't been good in half a decade is exactly the opposite of what the Oilers should do.

The .900 is the more important factor

Okay, then please defend his .888sv% last year.

 

[Canovin]

Take an "over the hill" Gibson, you probably get Mike Smith with no attitude. I welcome a guy like that on the Oilers any day

 

[Soundwave]

Use your eyes and watch him. That's all anybody needs to do. He can't track pucks and he can't move.

It's this simple. He sucks about 50% of the time he is in net. SOmehow people have a hardon for a goalie like this.

Worst lateral moving goalie I've seen on the Oilers maybe ever. Dude moves like the Titanic in net from left to right and vice versa. If someone can name somebody worse please do list that person.