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[soothsayer]

John Gibson is one of the most talented goalies in the NHL, but injuries and playing on a horrific team has totally derailed his career.

That said, I would take him at 3.2 for this year and the next two years over Skinner. Skinner is absolutely cooked and it's long past due to end it.

The question is whether there are better options than Gibson, and I bet there probably is. But the Oilers have been grossly negligent in their continued use of Skinner.

 

[Not Canada Drai]

My crazy take is to somehow snag Quick from the Rangers but I doubt they'd let him go.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I wonder if Colorado makes a big push for Gibson. They have Skinner 2.0.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Vegas and TB turned injury prone into cap circumvention.

 

[VeteranPresence]

There is no realistic way to fit Gibson in and I'm fine with that, just too much risk there. If Colorado wants to go for it though that at least eliminates some competition for one of the other goalies on the market. I still believe Blackwood is worth trying out for a 3rd, but there is a pretty defined bottom 10 teams in the league right now and most of them have at least one goalie worth calling on.

However choosing not to make a change when you know what you have in your current "#1" is the absolute dumbest move. Throwing away our chance at a Cup because you don't want to hurt the feefees of a local kid would be very Oilers.

 

[bobbythebrain]

My crazy take is to somehow snag Quick from the Rangers but I doubt they'd let him go.

No thanks. I don't care who it is, EVERY goalie needs structure. This team has brutal structure infront of their goalies

Quick was pretty horrible when LA D was struggling and he had Bouchard 2.0(Durzi) making all kinds of mistakes infront of him

 

[Soundwave]

No thanks. I don't care who it is, EVERY goalie needs structure. This team has brutal structure infront of their goalies

Quick was pretty horrible when LA D was struggling and he had Bouchard 2.0(Durzi) making all kinds of mistakes infront of him

We have no structure now? Because of one game against Minnesota with like serious injuries up and down the lineup? 4th game in 6 nights.

Relax. It's one game. Games like this happened last year also. Minnesota is playing some of the best hockey in the league right now, they can do that to a lot of teams right now.

 

[Not Canada Drai]

No thanks. I don't care who it is, EVERY goalie needs structure. This team has brutal structure infront of their goalies

Quick was pretty horrible when LA D was struggling and he had Bouchard 2.0(Durzi) making all kinds of mistakes infront of him

I'm pretty sure the Rangers are not defensive genius' and their goaltending is fine because they're actually good at it. Helps to not have ol' Dusty as their coach too.

 

[Soundwave]

There is no realistic way to fit Gibson in and I'm fine with that, just too much risk there. If Colorado wants to go for it though that at least eliminates some competition for one of the other goalies on the market. I still believe Blackwood is worth trying out for a 3rd, but there is a pretty defined bottom 10 teams in the league right now and most of them have at least one goalie worth calling on.

However choosing not to make a change when you know what you have in your current "#1" is the absolute dumbest move. Throwing away our chance at a Cup because you don't want to hurt the feefees of a local kid would be very Oilers.

If they retain some salary and you send back some salary (how much is Henrique really doing for this team?), it closes the gap significantly.

If Blackwood is good the downside is he's a UFA, so if he does well (which I assume would be the whole point of acquiring) you're probably looking at $5+ mill to retain him.

 

[bobbythebrain]

We have no structure now? Because of one game against Minnesota with like serious injuries up and down the lineup? 4th game in 6 nights.

Relax. It's one game. Games like this happened last year also.

No, we don't. I know you're committed to your fancy stats right now that suggest the defense has been good and it's simply the goaltenders fault, but you're wrong. No fancy stats can deny how bad Ek and Bouchard have been. I see it every game

Like the Minny commentator said last nite "This Oilers team continues to look like the Oilers in their own zone"

 

[Soundwave]

No, we don't. I know you're committed to your fancy stats right now that suggest the defense has been good and it's simply the goaltenders fault, but you're wrong. No fancy stats can deny how bad Ek and Bouchard have been. I see it every game

Like the Minny commentator said last nite "This Oilers team continues to look like the Oilers in their own zone"

Which "Oilers team", this is the same defensive system that made the Cup Final last year and shut down (largely) 4 teams for long stretches in the playoff rounds?

The last few games we largely held Toronto in check for most of the game, Bouchard is the one making unnecessary and unforced errors, but what are you going to do? Find a top pairing D on the trade market to supplant him? That's not happening. You have to just work with this player to take that unnecessary junk out of his game.

Montreal is another team that has some good offensive fire power, we kept them largely in check too, our offense simply couldn't generate jack shit that game.

Minnesota was a legit bad game, but it's not like there's been a ton of those. We're playing a shit ton of games right now in a compressed schedule with a ton of injuries piled on top and Skinner is crapping the bed every other night, Minny may be the best or second best team in the league right now.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

No, we don't. I know you're committed to your fancy stats right now that suggest the defense has been good and it's simply the goaltenders fault, but you're wrong. No fancy stats can deny how bad Ek and Bouchard have been. I see it every game

Like the Minny commentator said last nite "This Oilers team continues to look like the Oilers in their own zone"

Lol so you must look away every time a shot is taken on Skinner than.

 

[VeteranPresence]

No, we don't. I know you're committed to your fancy stats right now that suggest the defense has been good and it's simply the goaltenders fault, but you're wrong. No fancy stats can deny how bad Ek and Bouchard have been. I see it every game

Like the Minny commentator said last nite "This Oilers team continues to look like the Oilers in their own zone"

Bouchard has been rocky to say the least. I don't know where the upward development we saw out of him during the playoffs has gone, but he even looked alright from mid to late October before reverting back to his cripplingly dumb decision making. Something's not right there.

 

[Soundwave]

Bouchard has been rocky to say the least. I don't know where the upward development we saw out of him during the playoffs has gone, but he even looked alright from mid to late October before reverting back to his cripplingly dumb decision making. Something's not right there.

This is the process of developing a young D in his mold ... the bad will come with the good, you can't just disown the player when the bad parts show up. It's part of the deal.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Which "Oilers team", this is the same defensive system that made the Cup Final last year and shut down (largely) 4 teams for long stretches in the playoff rounds.

The last few games we largely held Toronto in check for most of the game, Bouchard is the one making unnecessary and unforced errors, but what are you going to do? Find a top pairing D on the trade market to supplant him? That's not happening. You have to just work with this player to take that junk out of his game.

Montreal is another team that has some good offensive fire power, we kept them largely in check too, our offense simply couldn't generate jack shit that game.

Minnesota was a legit bad game, but it's not like there's been a ton of those. We're playing a shit ton of games right now in a compressed schedule with a ton of injuries piled on top and Skinner is crapping the bed every other night.

Let's do some simple math.

Bouchard has been atrocious this year. That is undeniable. Ekholm has been pretty bad too. Not Bouch bad, but not good.

They are the top pair, who play alot of minutes

So how is it possible that a pair, who is not playing good and play alot of minutes, are actually a huge positive in your overall team statistics?

The "stats" or math you speak of is completely illogical

 

[Soundwave]

Let's do some simple math.

Bouchard has been atrocious this year. That is undeniable. Ekholm has been pretty bad too. Not Bouch bad, but not good.

They are the top pair, who play alot of minutes

So how is it possible that a pair, who is not playing good and play alot of minutes, are actually a huge positive in your overall team statistics?

The "stats" or math you speak of is completely illogical

How exactly would you describe the Oilers last year this time then? Atomically atrocious? Because they were letting in a lot more goals against this time a year ago. Or is "goals against" a "fancy schmancy stat that doesn't count" now too?

 

[Mr Kot]

Crazy to me that people STILL think the goaltending isn't the main problem. It's also the position that we can actually try and fix, a top 4 D would cost a lot to do so, but a serviceable goaltender can at least be tried for a somewhat cheaper price.

Also, those "fancy stats" reflect what is going on on the ice and they show what everyone else is seeing; skinner is last on almost all of them and the fact that management doesn't see it shows that they are clueless.

 

[Oilhawks]

Crazy to me that people STILL think the goaltending isn't the main problem. It's also the position that we can actually try and fix, a top 4 D would cost a lot to do so, but a serviceable goaltender can at least be tried for a somewhat cheaper price.

Also, those "fancy stats" reflect what is going on on the ice and they show what everyone else is seeing; skinner is last on almost all of them and the fact that management doesn't see it shows that they are clueless.

C'est tout

 

[Soundwave]

Bouchard was worse a year ago to start.

-6 through 21 games a year ago, this year he is at least +2 in the same amount of games.

People want to conveniently forget that.

He's been poor to start both years, but last year was significantly worse.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I wonder if Colorado makes a big push for Gibson. They have Skinner 2.0.

They will 100% make a push and nab him or somebody else

I'm pretty sure the Rangers are not defensive genius' and their goaltending is fine because they're actually good at it. Helps to not have ol' Dusty as their coach too.

Y go read their gdts lol. They are not some crazy structured team. That just parroting talk.

 

[CROTT]

Let's do some simple math.

Bouchard has been atrocious this year. That is undeniable. Ekholm has been pretty bad too. Not Bouch bad, but not good.

They are the top pair, who play alot of minutes

So how is it possible that a pair, who is not playing good and play alot of minutes, are actually a huge positive in your overall team statistics?

The "stats" or math you speak of is completely illogical

The scary thing is that with Nurse out Kulak is the second best defensemen on the team, who also has more goals at the quarter season mark then most forwards.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Look he's sucks at hockey and it's embarrassing that you guys need to defend and he gets ice time on this team, period. He got time after Ottawa quit, and he was sat in the previous game because he was f***ing useless.

He's bad at hockey and shouldn't be here, I don't know how much clearer I have to be. Having a standard for this team is fine, honestly.


He doesn't have "an edge" he has a "will fight"

It’s embarrassing that we poke holes in your argument?

No one is saying he’s a good hockey player, we’re just poking holes in your pathetic attempt at an argument.

You and drive like to throw out statements, get proven wrong and then change the argument, the funny part is even after changing it twice you’re still wrong.

You’re aware this stuff is easy to look up and verify right?

 

[bobbythebrain]

How exactly would you describe the Oilers last year this time then? Atomically atrocious? Because they were letting in a lot more goals against this time a year ago. Or is "goals against" a "fancy schmancy stat that doesn't count" now too?

Hmm. How is last year relevant to this year? Different teams, different shooters, different shot angles, different quality, different fatigue levels etc, etc

 

[Soundwave]

Hmm. How is last year relevant to this year? Different teams, different shooters, different shot angles, different quality, different fatigue levels etc, etc

It's the same main core for the team. They've been awful to start both years, last year however was definitely worse defensively, it's not even particularly close. Because convienantly forgot all that because they made a Cup Final and now want to act like this is something new.

Believe it or not this the best GA they've had at game 21 in the last three seasons

This year: 67 GA in first 21 games
24-25: 78 GA in first 21 games
22-23: 74 GA in first 21 games

This team just loves to start seasons like shit, it's been 3 years in a row of this. The only good start they had was the start of the 21-22 season where they were 15-5 under Tippet (and then blew it by losing a ton of games in December).

20-21 (Canadian division year) was another shit start, 3-6, thankfully they pulled it together relatively quickly after that because it was only a 56 game season. So 4 bad starts in 5 years. At this point this is not an aberration but the norm.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Fabbro has looked good since arriving in Columbus. Short sample but he’s 3pts and +1 in 5 games, averaging almost 21 minutes a night against against some tough competition. His defensive metrics have always been pretty strong, and so far he seems to be holding up with top 4 minutes. I still think he could be a great option for Oilers that they could probably extend at a reasonable cap hit.