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ChaoticOrange

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African-Canadian isn't a thing. Saying that we have multiple black guys on the team isn't racist. They're just Canadian.

Yes, it is.
 

ChaoticOrange

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I read that article already and there is no mention of a racist remark. I believe it is you who has misread the article itself. It mentions he broke a regulation that houses an umbrella of various offences, including homophobic and racist abuse alike.

Edit: if we’re at the point where we can forgive people who have taken lives in the cases of MacT and Heatley, but we can’t forgive people who as teenagers say a homophobic or racial slur, there is a problem here.
Okay cool then maybe he's a homophobe then, despite his dad being an out and about racist and talking about racial slurs being uttereed every day in his home. Does being pedantic make you feel better about supporting a scumbag?

There's a problem here for sure and it posts under the name "duul". This isn't an isolated incident. He's had these "problems" for his entire hockey career and he continues to be problematic today.

MacT particularly paid his debt to society and has worked to better himself as a human. What has DeAngelo done to deserve this forgiveness you're so eager to hand him?
 

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Okay cool then maybe he's a homophobe then, despite his dad being an out and about racist and talking about racial slurs being uttereed every day in his home. Does being pedantic make you feel better about supporting a scumbag?

There's a problem here for sure and it posts under the name "duul". This isn't an isolated incident. He's had these "problems" for his entire hockey career and he continues to be problematic today.

MacT particularly paid his debt to society and has worked to better himself as a human. What has DeAngelo done to deserve this forgiveness you're so eager to hand him?
How does your brain not register that the video with his father is in reference to slurs that they use every single day? Why do you keep saying they're racial when not a single Sarnia Sting, DeAngelo family member, or member of an actual media source has made such a claim? How are you not comprehending that? You keep saying his father talking about racial slurs being uttered every day in their home, but that's a blatant lie. Spend five seconds listening to the clip you linked, or reading the articles you've linked, and realize all you're doing is misreading or intentionally lying to prove a point. I gave you multiple chances here trying to explain to you how what you're saying is objectively wrong and it keeps coming. Come on man, be better. Nobody here wants to support a racist, but we don't need to create them out of thin air either. Be reasonable. I forgive you if you really can't understand what is being said in the articles or the videos you've linked, but if this is some plot to try and pull the wool over my eyes, it's not working.
 

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Okay cool then maybe he's a homophobe then, despite his dad being an out and about racist and talking about racial slurs being uttereed every day in his home. Does being pedantic make you feel better about supporting a scumbag?

There's a problem here for sure and it posts under the name "duul". This isn't an isolated incident. He's had these "problems" for his entire hockey career and he continues to be problematic today.

MacT particularly paid his debt to society and has worked to better himself as a human. What has DeAngelo done to deserve this forgiveness you're so eager to hand him?

Mind you, this is the same poster who went on a homosexual rant himself and stated how pride night in the NHL was nothing but celebrating men having sex with men.

Don’t think his views about the subject can be taken seriously.
 

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How does your brain not register that the video with his father is in reference to slurs that they use every single day? Why do you keep saying they're racial when not a single Sarnia Sting, DeAngelo family member, or member of an actual media source has made such a claim? How are you not comprehending that? You keep saying his father talking about racial slurs being uttered every day in their home, but that's a blatant lie. Spend five seconds listening to the clip you linked, or reading the articles you've linked, and realize all you're doing is misreading or intentionally lying to prove a point. I gave you multiple chances here trying to explain to you how what you're saying is objectively wrong and it keeps coming. Come on man, be better. Nobody here wants to support a racist, but we don't need to create them out of thin air either. Be reasonable. I forgive you if you really can't understand what is being said in the articles or the videos you've linked, but if this is some plot to try and pull the wool over my eyes, it's not working.
His father openly admits that he uses racial slurs "every day" and seems unwilling to apologize, saying simply that it's the "way he was raised."


Which one of us is lying here, Dull? You're certainly working overtime to try to clear the decks for this guy, but it's not working in the slightest. Really makes me wonder what your agenda is here and REALLY makes me wonder about you as a person.

But hey, let's say it's not racist, just for the sake of this f***ing boneheaded, IQ draining argument you're determined to have. Maybe he's homophobic instead. Maybe he hates women. HOW IS THAT BETTER?? do you feel better about supporting a homophobe or a misogynist instead? Jesus Christ, dude.
 

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Mcnotloilersfan

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I really think a strong defensive partner for Nurse is ideal. He's actually one of the best 5v5 offensive dmen in this league. If we found him anything close to a right-handed Ekholm, our top 4 would be solid!
 

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He has an incredible first pass which is the thing our defence needs the most by far. He’s an obvious huge upgrade and his capability with the puck will do more for our chances against than any of our other RHD.


Ceci was a joke this year. Carolina wants Deangelo back, in what way is it dumb?


Yea he probably wouldn’t come here for that price, but you could pay him more. His breakout is sublime.

As I stated, you clearly have not followed this player.
He was atrocious this year. He is always atrocious at defending, and his lack of production makes him a net negative.

Also, let's not jump the gun on any team signing him before it happens
 
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I really think a strong defensive partner for Nurse is ideal. He's actually one of the best 5v5 offensive dmen in this league. If we found him anything close to a right-handed Ekholm, our top 4 would be solid!

Who is a RH Ekholm though? lol

Ekholm is a pretty rare player. And RD are more rare than LD. Wish we could clone Ekbeast.
 

duul

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As I stated, you clearly have not followed this player.
He was atrocious this year. He is always atrocious at defending, and his lack of production makes him a net negative.

Also, let's not jump the gun on any team signing him before it happens
The guy was a +30 on Carolina the year prior. Do you think he suddenly forgot how to play hockey? Or maybe the capability of a defencemen goes hand in hand with a litany of other factors. He is not 'atrocious' at defending. If you want to talk advanced stats he had some of the highest CF% in league history in both New York and Carolina. He was still above 50% in Philly playing on the worst team in the league. By which metric is he atrocious? His relative corsi is always miles ahead of anyone. He objectively generates more chances for than against and to a degree that is higher than almost anyone else in the league on most years.

I get the guy is demonized and he plays an offensive game, but he has shown he is an absolute stud of a player.

You realize his 'lack of production' would have put him at far-and-away the leading Oilers defencemen right, especially had he not missed 11 games? His points per game being considerably higher than both Nurse and Bouchard.
 
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duul

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lol he was only plus 30 because he was stapled to Slavin in 21-22.

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Yeah, sign this guy ASAP :laugh:
That 'undisclosed incident' is the one that Torts sat him for a few games in the season. It's not some new information that happened recently...

I understand the guy might believe in something different than you guys do politically, but the fact of the matter is he is a highly skilled hockey player would, if we could get to come here for a reasonable price, would make our team better.

And if the excuse is that he was +30 because he was playing with Slavin, then why not put him with another defencive defenceman like I recommended earlier and watch him thrive? Slavin's point totals halved this year after leaving DeAngelo. So did his +/-. He suffered just as much as DeAngelo did with the change in partner. Use your brain man. Utilize DeAngelo properly and he can carry a pairing.
 

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I don't think you looked very hard, to be honest. This isn't a good dude that made mistakes and deserves another chance. He's on his fifth or sixth second chance for being a POS.

Comparing Kassian's substance abuse issues or MacT's situation with DeAngelo is pretty disingenuous. MacT especially. He made a dreadful error and has been working since it happened to better himself and remains in close contact with the family. DeAngelo is the original Mitchell Miller.

Or duul is just being purposely obtuse...which wouldnt surprise me given the quality of his posts.

And to add to that:

The whole Deangelo family is f***ed up, theres no fixing. [Edit: looks like Chaotic already posted this too]

They beyond f***ed up in the head
 
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duul

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Or duul is just being purposely obtuse...which wouldnt surprise me given the quality of his posts.

And to add to that:

The whole Deangelo family is f***ed up, theres no fixing.
I am laughing so hard, this is like a comedy act. You're linking the exact same article ChaoticOrange did. Yes, the father states that he would have been suspended too, for using the same slur. He uses the slur every day he claims. However, there is no mention anywhere of it being a racial slur. DeAngelo did not have a teammate that season who was a person of colour. This is the issue when you start parroting things without applying logic or context. Please look at this carefully and analyze what is going on.

I'm reminded of the experiment conducted on prisoners where they're asked 'how would you feel if you had not ate breakfast yesterday' , to which a significant portion of them respond 'but I did eat breakfast yesterday'.
 

frag2

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That 'undisclosed incident' is the one that Torts sat him for a few games in the season. It's not some new information that happened recently...

I understand the guy might believe in something different than you guys do politically, but the fact of the matter is he is a highly skilled hockey player would, if we could get to come here for a reasonable price, would make our team better.

And if the excuse is that he was +30 because he was playing with Slavin, then why not put him with another defencive defenceman like I recommended earlier and watch him thrive? Slavin's point totals halved this year after leaving DeAngelo. So did his +/-. He suffered just as much as DeAngelo did with the change in partner. Use your brain man. Utilize DeAngelo properly and he can carry a pairing.

Being racist is not political, being racist is being a piece of shit.
 

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Or duul is just being purposely obtuse...which wouldnt surprise me given the quality of his posts.

And to add to that:

The whole Deangelo family is f***ed up, theres no fixing.
Generally speaking you'd think a buyout would smarten a guy up, but in this case not only is this his 2nd buyout, but it really sounds like he's had interest from the Canes. What kind lesson is he really going to learn when really all he has to do is make 1.65mil this year to break even?

Maybe if he was out of work for a year he'd smarten up, but even then I don't know.
 
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Not to wade in here and take either side, but the only person suggesting that the slurs used by DeAngelo were racist is the author of that article: Hockeyfeed. This argument has taken place numerous times and that clip of his dad has been posted numerous times without context.

I remember that incident when he was in the OHL and I don't think there was ever any clarification as to what was said by him. I don't see a reason why they'd make it public. It's a kid being punished by his team internally. Which is how it should be dealt with.

I do remember their fanbase renting a VIP box one game though and trying to start fights with the locals. Wouldn't be a big stretch to assume he and his dad are a couple of hotheads.
 
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duul

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Not to wade in here and take either side, but the only person suggesting that the slurs used by DeAngelo were racist is the author of that article: Hockeyfeed. This argument has taken place numerous times and that clip of his dad has been posted numerous times without context.

I remember that incident when he was in the OHL and I don't think there was ever any clarification as to what was said by him. I don't see a reason why they'd make it public. It's a kid being punished by his team internally. Which is how it should be dealt with.

I do remember their fanbase renting a VIP box one game though and trying to start fights with the locals. Wouldn't be a big stretch to assume he and his dad are a couple of hotheads.
Important point I’ve brought up multiple times in that I tried to search up every player on that roster that year and not a single one was a person of colour. It would be difficult to throw a racist slur at someone who is white, unless they were Italian or something? I don’t even know man. The fact of the matter is that this has essentially been a huge smear campaign and I’m happy at least someone has decided to point out there has never been a single true claim made by anyone besides a silly blogpost or two that it was racist.

We can admit he has troubles, anger issues. That is well documented. Fact of the matter is him and Slavin were the best pairing in the NHL that year and by all accounts he was a great teammate to have there.

The biases and failures to think critically have crippled a huge amount of posters here. It’s sad. I understand I can be abrasive but at the end of the day I am willing to research and find out the truth about this stuff. If he’s just a hothead I think it’s worth taking a shot on him if he wants to come, because his breakout is sublime. Pair him with a guy we can trust to play D and focus on that like Slavin did and you’ll have an incredible pairing. I’m thinking Nurse focuses in on that for us.
 

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Important point I’ve brought up multiple times in that I tried to search up every player on that roster that year and not a single one was a person of colour. It would be difficult to throw a racist slur at someone who is white, unless they were Italian or something? I don’t even know man. The fact of the matter is that this has essentially been a huge smear campaign and I’m happy at least someone has decided to point out there has never been a single true claim made by anyone besides a silly blogpost or two that it was racist.

We can admit he has troubles, anger issues. That is well documented. Fact of the matter is him and Slavin were the best pairing in the NHL that year and by all accounts he was a great teammate to have there.

The biases and failures to think critically have crippled a huge amount of posters here. It’s sad. I understand I can be abrasive but at the end of the day I am willing to research and find out the truth about this stuff. If he’s just a hothead I think it’s worth taking a shot on him if he wants to come, because his breakout is sublime. Pair him with a guy we can trust to play D and focus on that like Slavin did and you’ll have an incredible pairing. I’m thinking Nurse focuses in on that for us.
Racial slurs can be used against people of the same race. It isn't a prerequisite to use those words.

Regardless, I'm just commenting on the source. It's unverified and without context. All you should see is that his dad lacks moral character.
 

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Zero proof of him being racist.
Whether he's racist, homophobic or just a straight up old fashioned asshole, the bottom line is that
he's a problem child and not someone that you want in the room it seems. Just because someone hasn't publicly said or done something despicable doesn't mean that behind closed doors they are a good person or teammate. He is skilled enough that his problems are definitely not skill based. If you or anyone else want to debate whether he is racist, homophobic, etc. you and anyone else can do that via private messages or on the main board, we're not having more discussion of this shit here to derail this thread.
 

duul

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Whether he's racist, homophobic or just a straight up old fashioned asshole, the bottom line is that
he's a problem child and not someone that you want in the room it seems. Just because someone hasn't publicly said or done something despicable doesn't mean that behind closed doors they are a good person or teammate. He is skilled enough that his problems are definitely not skill based. If you or anyone else want to debate whether he is racist, homophobic, etc. you and anyone else can do that via private messages or on the main board, we're not having more discussion of this shit here to derail this thread.
Fair enough. We know that Kane had similar attitude problems that had him ostracized from multiple organizations, and at age 29 he put it together and grew up. People are capable of change we’ve seen it here enough times. A guy that skilled is worth talking to now that he’s a free agent and seeing if some sort of wake-up call or change in demeanour has taken place.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-DeAngelo
Broberg-Ceci

Will have to in all likelihood move Kulak or Ceci to make it work. That looks like a great group if Nurse is willing to accept he must become a shutdown guy for us.
 
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