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[brentashton]

Its almost if some people also saw how inconsistent he was, he had 2 good stretches and was missing for the other 46 games he played for us.

Just so I’m clear, your talking about McLeod,right?

 

[Spawn]

Its almost if some people also saw how inconsistent he was, he had 2 good stretches and was missing for the other 46 games he played for us.

That's a pretty skewed look at things for a 4th liner playing ~10 minutes a night.

Kostin's offense was inconsistent. But its not like he pulled a Zach Kassian disappearing act. At the very least he was always a physical presence.

Kostin priced himself off the team unfortunately. But the spin that some have put on him to downplay his season last year is silly.

Feels like a lot of people forget Kostin and McLeod are the same age. Difference being McLeod got drafted to a team with a horrendous bottom 6 while Kostin got drafted to a team winning Cups and pushing with an extremely deep lineup up until recently. One of them was given far more opportunity than the other.

I’m someone who would take Kostin over McLeod in a heartbeat at the same salary, and now it’s looking like McLeod is going to cost us even more than what Klim got while (in my opinion) providing significantly less for a team who is trying to win playoff games.

The people talking about McLeod and potential need to look at Klim the same way. Watching him build confidence over the year and begin showing physical dominance all over the rink was special. With a bit more confidence in his role, he could become a real solid middle 6 type of guy. I don’t think I can say the same about mcleod — RNH lite lite lite.

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[Tobias Kahun]

Just so I’m clear, your talking about McLeod,right?

Kostin.

 

[GOilers88]

Still think the obvious right move is

Kane-McDavid-Brown
Nuge-Drai-Hyman

Hard to go wrong

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Desi need to be number 7 and a good vet in his place, then a goalie would be nice and a good 3C to control that line and clear. Its still possible but harder now and more expensive in assets than if the move(s) were make two weeks ago or more.

IMO the best players are available at the deadline, and it's easier at that point to get them on retention

 

[brentashton]

Kostin.

ya ok. Blinders are on. I thought so

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Sure, but not $2M worth of value

I think that both he and Bjugstad got what the market bared. I'd take either guy with the way they played last season over Yamamoto at $3.1 million. Both are solid players that can step into a 3rd line role and not skip a beat. In Kostin's case I could see him being a 20 goal and 100pin player. Not a lot of those guys in the league.

Then why did he play so little in the playoffs?

He was hurt late in the year and because Woodcroft barely played him. He still outscored the turd of a player that he was dealt along with because he was the sweetener since the other guy was a cap dump.

 

[Anarchism]

IMO the best players are available at the deadline, and it's easier at that point to get them on retention

You might get lucky.... might not ...Hard to fix 3 things at the deadline and hope all will gel in the last month.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

ya ok. Blinders are on. I thought so

You thought he was consistent?

Theres a reason he was often playing sub 10 minutes.

 

[bellagiobob]

You thought he was consistent?

Theres a reason he was often playing sub 10 minutes.

Kostin was great when he was on, but was probably 50/50 as to games that he had an impact on. Anyhow, player didn’t want to play here despite his BS love spiel to the fans, time to move on from him and concentrate on guys who didn’t threaten to bolt to the KHL.

 

[Rafters]

Still think the obvious right move is

Kane-McDavid-Brown
Nuge-Drai-Hyman

Think you end the game with that if you are tied or down a goal…always easy to shorten the bench with 10 mins left if need be.. would rather those 6 spread over 3 lines to start the season and reduce some wear and tear. MxDavid and Leon usually play 22+ a night and get the “flu” in November/December
Maybe something like this to start the season
Holloway-97-Brown
Kane—29-Foegle
93-McLeod-18
Janmark-Ryan-Lavoie

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Kostin was great when he was on, but was probably 50/50 as to games that he had an impact on. Anyhow, player didn’t want to play here despite his BS love spiel to the fans, time to move on from him and concentrate on guys who didn’t threaten to bolt to the KHL.

Guy wanted to get paid and maybe didn't like the coach's handling of his ice time. I doubt that he didn't like it there or the guys in the room.

 

[McTonyBrar]

I think that both he and Bjugstad got what the market bared. I'd take either guy with the way they played last season over Yamamoto at $3.1 million. Both are solid players that can step into a 3rd line role and not skip a beat. In Kostin's case I could see him being a 20 goal and 100pin player. Not a lot of those guys in the league.

He was hurt late in the year and because Woodcroft barely played him. He still outscored the turd of a player that he was dealt along with because he was the sweetener since the other guy was a cap dump.

Woodcroft barely played him because he was terrible defensively. The turd of a player he was dealt with had 20 goals prior year and also was better defensively. Since you mention Kostin's inury, Yamo also had concussion issues which also hampered his play

Guy wanted to get paid and maybe didn't like the coach's handling of his ice time. I doubt that he didn't like it there or the guys in the room.

If he liked it here and the guys in the room, why didn't he take a discount like Ryan, Janmark or McLeod last season?

Sounds like he just wanted the money

 

[bellagiobob]

Guy wanted to get paid and maybe didn't like the coach's handling of his ice time. I doubt that he didn't like it there or the guys in the room.

We’ll likely never know, but he knew our salary structure, and clearly money was more important to him than winning. Not judging, but the guy didn’t value being here, and to me he’s yesterdays news.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

We’ll likely never know, but he knew our salary structure, and clearly money was more important to him than winning. Not judging, but the guy didn’t value being here, and to me he’s yesterdays news.

The guy made less than $2 million in his career to date and has a rare skill set. We can crap on him for not taking a $1 million a season discount or we can crap on Holland for overpaying the crap out of other players so that we got to the point of not being able to pay him a competitive wage. I know who I blame.

Woodcroft barely played him because he was terrible defensively. The turd of a player he was dealt with had 20 goals prior year and also was better defensively. Since you mention Kostin's inury, Yamo also had concussion issues which also hampered his play


If he liked it here and the guys in the room, why didn't he take a discount like Ryan, Janmark or McLeod last season?

Sounds like he just wanted the money

Playing with McDrai. Yamamoto had injury after injury because he was a very small player trying to play a big mans style of game.

None of those guys left $1 million or so AAV on the table, Nurse sure as hell didn't. IMO the only guys that really did were RNH and maybe Kane if he had other suitors. Everyone else was at least fairly compensated with the exception of McLeod who took a small haircut for a season and is now looking to cash in big no different than Kostin was.

 

[brentashton]

You thought he was consistent?

Theres a reason he was often playing sub 10 minutes.

He certainly could be more consistent. I wonder if he’s the type of player that needed more consistent ice time to bring it into his game. We won’t see if it would help here now. I just think his game and physical assets give him the leg up to grow and Woody didn’t appear to want to commit. He’s funny that way, he definitely plays favourites in his decision making. All I know is that McLeod needs to take a huge step this year if he lands a 2m payday.

 

[brentashton]

Woodcroft barely played him because he was terrible defensively. The turd of a player he was dealt with had 20 goals prior year and also was better defensively. Since you mention Kostin's inury, Yamo also had concussion issues which also hampered his play


If he liked it here and the guys in the room, why didn't he take a discount like Ryan, Janmark or McLeod last season?

Sounds like he just wanted the money

I never understand this comment that because a team is tight to their cap which may have limited their ability to pay market price for a player, they should get a deal from said players?

That’s like saying the you should sell your house for less cost to a buyer who has a more limited budget than other potential buyers. I’m retired and on a pension, let me know when you list your home, I’ll give you a shout. I’m expecting a smoking deal.

Sounds like he wanted the money? Of course he did. Nothing wrong with that.I don’t think we can vilify the player in this situation, this is on the team and how they (mis)manage their finances.

 

[frag2]

Just so I’m clear, your talking about McLeod,right?

They both suck. Kostin is inconsistent because he plays like he has rocks for brains at times; Mcleod is inconsistent because he played like he has no balls last. GYB spent most of the year ripping Mcleod wondering where the version of Mcleod from the year before went. He went from attacking the net to going around it

 

[ujju2]

Kostin was great when he was on, but was probably 50/50 as to games that he had an impact on. Anyhow, player didn’t want to play here despite his BS love spiel to the fans, time to move on from him and concentrate on guys who didn’t threaten to bolt to the KHL.

For a guy making as little as he does and playing as few minutes as he did, having an impact in 50% of games is pretty damn good.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

They both suck. Kostin is inconsistent because he plays like he has rocks for brains at times; Mcleod is inconsistent because he played like he has no balls last. GYB spent most of the year ripping Mcleod wondering where the version of Mcleod from the year before went. He went from attacking the net to going around it

Honestly I don’t think McLoed ever really attacked the net with any consistency and in fact in Junior the one knock on him was he played too much on the perimeter. He always drives wide.

But if he can up his physical game and take pucks to the net consistently he can be a very good 3C. His wheels are next level.

Kostin wasn’t worth $2M and Holland leveraged Kostins salary demands into moving Yamo for nothing saving us the buyout cost. Kostin played well in spurts but we can’t afford $2M 4th liners now or in the future if we re-sign 29 & 97.

I think Holloway will be a much more fitting replacement for Kostin as the year moves on and Brown is a huge increase over Yamo. Depending on what we wind up with for a 4C I think this team is better than last year with a full year of Ekholm, a healthy Kane and (hopefully) improved goaltending from Campbell.

 

[frag2]

Honestly I don’t think McLoed ever really attacked the net with any consistency and in fact in Junior the one knock on him was he played too much on the perimeter. He always drives wide.

But if he can up his physical game and take pucks to the net consistently he can be a very good 3C. His wheels are next level.

Kostin wasn’t worth $2M and Holland leveraged Kostins salary demands into moving Yamo for nothing saving us the buyout cost. Kostin played well in spurts but we can’t afford $2M 4th liners now or in the future if we re-sign 29 & 97.

I think Holloway will be a much more fitting replacement for Kostin as the year moves on and Brown is a huge increase over Yamo. Depending on what we wind up with for a 4C I think this team is better than last year with a full year of Ekholm, a healthy Kane and (hopefully) improved goaltending from Campbell.

He definitely attacked the net more the year before [and playoffs that year] than last year. Last year, it's like he was playing to avoid getting hit which was a huge disappointment.

Neither are worth 2M [esp Kostin give his lack of track record]

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

He definitely attacked the net more the year before [and playoffs that year] than last year. Last year, it's like he was playing to avoid getting hit which was a huge disappointment.

Neither are worth 2M [esp Kostin give his lack of track record]

He’s a different player in the playoffs. He ups his game but in the regular season he typically plays on the outside and isn’t very physical. It’s frustrating as playoff McLoed is a far better player than regular season McLoed.

 

[McTonyBrar]

They both suck. Kostin is inconsistent because he plays like he has rocks for brains at times; Mcleod is inconsistent because he played like he has no balls last. GYB spent most of the year ripping Mcleod wondering where the version of Mcleod from the year before went. He went from attacking the net to going around it

Huh? McLeod is still young and had a breakout year. He’s going to be even better this season. I’m so glad you aren’t coach or GM. Your thinking worse than that old fart named Sutter

 

[duul]

Huh? McLeod is still young and had a breakout year. He’s going to be even better this season. I’m so glad you aren’t coach or GM. Your thinking worse than that old fart named Sutter

Do you realize that not only are Kostin and Mcleod the same age, but they played the same amount of games with a 2 point differential yea? Mcleod played ~250 more minutes.

It's as simple as that. Kostin has far more potential to break out than Mcleod does, because Kostin plays the game like a man. We talk about Yamamoto doing this and that, but Kostin on one of those top 6 lines would've had 30. Did you see this guy cannoning shots from all over the rink?

He played significantly less than Mcleod, with worse linemates, and put up the same amount of points AT THE SAME AGE! The fact people are in here saying it's 'obvious' that Mcleod is a better player are totally out to lunch. If you're calling Kostin a 4th liner not worth 2 million a year, how can you defend Mcleod?

 

[Anarchism]

The pure joy of a man beating a dead horse believing he himself will learn something or that others will.