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I will say I give props to Bowman.
It seems relatively clear he sees the teams problems, tries to address them but we either didn’t have the assets and the NmC his boss signed screwed him.
No good goalies got moved so he didn’t miss there. Sounds like Anaheim is out to lunch with their ask.

For forwards he clearly took a swing at some guys. Rantanen would have been huge but without a guy like Holloway still here we had no NhL ready young guys to send. I will blame him but mostly JJ for that. Add to that they didn’t know if Kane would return early till like the Walman trade I get it.

Neither Donato or Rakell moved. Chicago clearly wants to keep him for Bedard so it would have been a big ask and Pitts is in no rush to trade Rakell.

This is the first year I’m confident that the GM actually worked hard on this, he didn’t get the guys he wanted but our assets caused that.

Makes me interested in how the summer will go when he has a bit more flexibility.
 
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Scrapin Ice said:
The price was way too high for what he is today. Has lost a step. But still better defensively that what we have on the right side.
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Imho he doesn’t fit how the team defends or attacks. This team defends by denying zone entries and transitioning the puck well. He’s a guy who is strong really only once the puck is in our zone. He’s is a one zone player which makes him just not fit. IMHO Walman and Kulak are better defensively with our d system and team play.
 
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No 1st rounders for the next 2 seasons so we need to really hope that Savoie and O'Reilly pan out. On D Akey is the only guy of note. Clattenburg could become a Trent Frederic type. Beryozkin is a guy that we absolutely need to keep on top of and try to bring over.
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Yup, not a lot of system resources to plug holes via trade. They were already squeezed out of most big fish this trade deadline.

I think Savoie and O'Reilly will both play so there's some entry level cheap options on the horizon. Though with the huge cap jump this isn't necessarily as important as under the covid cap stall years. Clattenburg, who I like, fits a specific niche but as we see with guys like Jones this player type can be found. I thought the Savoie McLeod deal was a good one but nowhere near the home run some projected.

Bowman's going to earn his money. Lots riding on a deep playoff run this year.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Yup, not a lot of system resources to plug holes via trade. They were already squeezed out of most big fish this trade deadline.

I think Savoie and O'Reilly will both play so there's some entry level cheap options on the horizon. Though with the huge cap jump this isn't necessarily as important as under the covid cap stall years. Clattenburg, who I like, fits a specific niche but as we see with guys like Jones this player type can be found. I thought the Savoie McLeod deal was a good one but nowhere near the home run some projected.

Bowman's going to earn his money. Lots riding on a deep playoff run this year.
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Jones really intrigues me. He played game 1 like a guy screaming don’t send me back to the AHL. I wonder how long something like that can sustain him. Is he actually too good for the AHl and belongs in the NHL or is he just running on adrenaline?
 
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CycloneSweep said:
I will say I give props to Bowman.
It seems relatively clear he sees the teams problems, tries to address them but we either didn’t have the assets and the NmC his boss signed screwed him.
No good goalies got moved so he didn’t miss there. Sounds like Anaheim is out to lunch with their ask.

For forwards he clearly took a swing at some guys. Rantanen would have been huge but without a guy like Holloway still here we had no NhL ready young guys to send. I will blame him but mostly JJ for that. Add to that they didn’t know if Kane would return early till like the Walman trade I get it.

Neither Donato or Rakell moved. Chicago clearly wants to keep him for Bedard so it would have been a big ask and Pitts is in no rush to trade Rakell.

This is the first year I’m confident that the GM actually worked hard on this, he didn’t get the guys he wanted but our assets caused that.

Makes me interested in how the summer will go when he has a bit more flexibility.
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I think he missed the boat on an alternative strategy.
Of course as a GM he has to look beyond this playoffs and begin to look at what the team will look like this summer and and decide on the direction the team will take and how to improve.
 
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Scrapin Ice said:
The price was way too high for what he is today. Has lost a step. But still better defensively that what we have on the right side.
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There's that. We needed an option for the top 4, even if that player just shares a spot there.

Plus, I don't think Knoblauch wants physical players who lost a step. Knoblauch is all about executing his system, and he needs players to stick to that. Maybe it's why he didn't care for Desharnais. Maybe it's why he doesn't like Jeff Skinner.
 
CycloneSweep said:
Imho he doesn’t fit how the team defends or attacks. This team defends by denying zone entries and transitioning the puck well. He’s a guy who is strong really only once the puck is in our zone. He’s is a one zone player which makes him just not fit. IMHO Walman and Kulak are better defensively with our d system and team play.
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Agreed. However do you think the way our team has of defending with the defense people we have will be particularly successful past round 1 of the playoffs? We don't have a strong defensive first pairing and its a problem when the ice is smaller, when were up a goal in the third and everyone is tired. Moving the puck into a team like Vegas' zone in the third attacking aggressively is a problem. There comes a time when its best to hold the fort well and you can t depend on dog tired McD and Drais to save your A55. If you dont have a goalie that can save your bacon in the third like say a Binnington you need to be able to defend. That why a 4th line with big bruisers that can cycle and skate hard are necessary for a top heavy team like ours.
 
Scrapin Ice said:
I think he missed the boat on an alternative strategy.
Of course as a GM he has to look beyond this playoffs and begin to look at what the team will look like this summer and and decide on the direction the team will take and how to improve.
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I wonder about Walman for that too. Maybe he's just the best Dman available, and so it's bad that he's LD but we can make due.

But maybe it's also future focused, as a possible Ekholm replacement in a couple years. If Walman does well with Bouchard, maybe Ekholm goes on the right side with Nurse (probably not this year) He played both sides in Nashville
 
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Jones really intrigues me. He played game 1 like a guy screaming don’t send me back to the AHL. I wonder how long something like that can sustain him. Is he actually too good for the AHl and belongs in the NHL or is he just running on adrenaline?
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The story on him is first round toolkit with a motor that sputters out too often. Can never rush to judgement on a first impression one game sample. But he is now a tarnished pedigree stock player on his third organization so the motivation can't be any better to drive his own work rate in a bottom line NHL role. I liked him in Anaheim and thought he would be a good bottom six role player. Showtime, it's now time to see what ya got. This team badly needs more hard ice assertive players.
 
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Behind Enemy Lines said:
The story on him is first round toolkit with a motor that sputters out too often. Can never rush to judgement on a first impression one game sample. But he is now a tarnished pedigree stock player on his third organization so the motivation can't be any better to drive his own work rate in a bottom line NHL role. I liked him in Anaheim and thought he would be a good bottom six role player. Showtime, it's now time to see what ya got. This team badly needs more hard ice assertive players.
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Agree with this take entirely. Coaches need to reinforce his role on the 4th line continuously. He has had serious problems mentally in adapting from his junior days to a much different role in the NHL.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
The story on him is first round toolkit with a motor that sputters out too often. Can never rush to judgement on a first impression one game sample. But he is now a tarnished pedigree stock player on his third organization so the motivation can't be any better to drive his own work rate in a bottom line NHL role. I liked him in Anaheim and thought he would be a good bottom six role player. Showtime, it's now time to see what ya got. This team badly needs more hard ice assertive players.
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One good thing is that even though he was pushing hard, he was still staying in position. I didn't see him getting exploited for odd man rushes or chasing hits
 
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Mr Positive said:
One good thing is that even though he was pushing hard, he was still staying in position. I didn't see him getting exploited for odd man rushes or chasing hits
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He wasn't long in the Bruins organization but I'm sure being immersed into a winning culture team structure was likely a good thing. There's a spot to grab on this Oilers roster and the means to do so - play with speed, intensity and physicality - within his ability to control. I'm hopeful too!
 
Not sure this is the place to ask this question? I was unable to watch any of the rangers/ottawa game as i am/was ---busy. Someone here must have. How did Cozens play?
 
McDavid at 16M (assuming discount), Leon at 14M, Rantanen at 13M, Bouchard at 9.5M (?), Nurse at 9.25M...some money is coming off the books, but this would be a ridiculously top heavy roster with cheap goaltending (sometimes, you get what you pay for). About 62M for 5 players. It would have been very doable this year and next, but could have become messy.
 
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McDavid at 16M (assuming discount), Leon at 14M, Rantanen at 13M, Bouchard at 9.5M (?), Nurse at 9.25M...some money is coming off the books, but this would be a ridiculously top heavy roster with cheap goaltending (sometimes, you get what you pay for). About 62M for 5 players. It would have been very doable this year and next, but could have become messy.
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My guess is Bouch was what we offered
 
Soundwave said:
I also don't buy "no one was available!".

Detroit has Talbot, Lyon, and Mrazek why do they need 3 freaking goalies for?

Anaheim has Gibson, Dostal, Husso, ditto.
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There were many goalies available. Nobody knew Spencer Knight could be had but Chicago made a call. We were even told that goaltending was not a priority, so anyone saying the market was dry is talking out of their ass. They didn't even try. And apparently only 500K of Kane's LTIR pool was used! But here comes the excuses...but...but...NMCs...Jackson...short on assets.

Pretty hilarious to see people go from begging for a goalie to defending Bowman to even praising him. Half of this board is on heavy doses of copium right now.

Meanwhile, Colorado went from having the worst center depth to one of the best... Dallas loaded up. And everyone else in the West has better goaltending, but keep telling yourselves that a guy who imploded in half of the series he's ever played and has regressed over two seasons to the point where he's one of the worst starters in the league will magically improve in 20 games.

Hoping this team pulls it off, but I honestly just don't see how.
 
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