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[Scrapin Ice]

I'm not sure that would've been such a good thing. That said if this is true we may well go big game hunting in the offseason.

Welll unless Bouchard pulls a bunny rabbit out of his bum Stan should have the ammunition (if he is still here and doesn't have to fall on his sword for JJ) to keep the number for an extension to start with an 8 hopefully.

 

[McHelpus]

Rakell would have been a great fit. Unfortunately, Dubas refuses to trade with the Oilers because of the Hyman signing. Rantanen to the Oilers would have broken the site.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Don;t think Rishaug has any sources.

 

[Shanahanigans]

The Rishaug news that the Oilers tried hard to go after Rantanen is encouraging. With the Bruins finally rebuilding , I wonder if we go after Pastrnak this summer. Perfect winger for Drai.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I remember when Holland was hired, many people making excuses that Chia left him with a thin roster and no cap space. Well, Treliving received pretty much the same thing from Dubas and was able to add Tanev, OEL, and Carlo to their d-core in 10 months. 3 top 4 defensemen. Good GMs do their job and don’t make excuses.

I think Treliving has done a reasonably good job reshaping a soft, finesse Leafs team. Carlo looks like a reasonable bet when looking deeper into his role and deployment usage. He's an 18:48 avg toi guy whose EV d-zone time is 40.4%, higher than team average 39.3%, with EV zone starts that tilt 71.5% d-zone to 28.5% ratio. 1184.5 total minutes played. 1003.1 EV. 178 PK. All situational zone starts 78.5% d-zone 21.5 o-zone. Second in team PK toi at 2:49.

This season he's +3 on team with a -32 goal share. Age 28 peak years with term on an $4.1 cap hit. 6'5" 220 pounds who moves well for his size.

Go back one playoff year and he's top PK toi guy on a real good playoff pk: Bruins riding near-perfect penalty kill ahead of Game 2 against Panthers | NHL.com

Helps to look deeper into a players usage and deployment. Especially shutdown d-men which seems to be a blindspot with some analytic models that skews to goal production. This goal suppression function becomes even more important in hard ice playoff series style of play.

I'm tired of Sunbelt no tax state Cup championships. I'm shifting to cheer for all Canadian teams (except always the Flamers) and frankly hope the Leafs beat those assholes in Florida.

 

[Oilhawks]

I have a feeling Dallas may end up regretting that contract. Rantanen is probably better there than he would be on the Canes, but doubt he reaches the lofty heights he did on the Avs

 

[Soundwave]

Oilers Will Have The Banner Raising for their "We Tried To Get Rantanen" effort tonight

 

[Soli]

Don;t think Rishaug has any sources.

Stauffer intimated the same yesterday through Brian Lawton.

There's probably shades of truth, but the math doesn't math to me. I was under the impression that Dallas only started negotiating an extension with Rantanen's camp after Dallas and Carolina had agreed to the principals of a trade. If Carolina deemed we didn't have the assets, I don't see how we were involved in any formal numbers talk with Rantanen's camp.

It's possible we were on a short list of teams Rantanen would talk contract with, but it never got that far. It's also possible the walls are thin at the agency where Draisaitl and Rantanen are monster clients.

 

[alphahelix]

I think Treliving has done a reasonably good job reshaping a soft, finesse Leafs team. Carlo looks like a reasonable bet when looking deeper into his role and deployment usage. He's an 18:48 avg toi guy whose EV d-zone time is 40.4%, higher than team average 39.3%, with EV zone starts that tilt 71.5% d-zone to 28.5% ratio. 1184.5 total minutes played. 1003.1 EV. 178 PK. All situational zone starts 78.5% d-zone 21.5 o-zone. Second in team PK toi at 2:49.

This season he's +3 on team with a -32 goal share. Age 28 peak years with term on an $4.1 cap hit. 6'5" 220 pounds who moves well for his size.

Go back one playoff year and he's top PK toi guy on a real good playoff pk: Bruins riding near-perfect penalty kill ahead of Game 2 against Panthers | NHL.com

Helps to look deeper into a players usage and deployment. Especially shutdown d-men which seems to be a blindspot with some analytic models that skews to goal production. This goal suppression function becomes even more important in hard ice playoff series style of play.

I'm tired of Sunbelt no tax state Cup championships. I'm shifting to cheer for all Canadian teams (except always the Flamers) and frankly hope the Leafs beat those assholes in Florida.

A guy like Brandon Carlo is a huge need for Edmonton

 

[Reginald Dunlop]

I have a feeling Dallas may end up regretting that contract. Rantanen is probably better there than he would be on the Canes, but doubt he reaches the lofty heights he did on the Avs

I keep seeing he needs a RHC to thrive like he had with Mackinnon and didn't with the Canes. In that case we wouldn't be a great fit, along with the cap haha

 

[FlameChampion]

Don;t think Rishaug has any sources.

Eh, Rishaug isn’t in the business in sending positive or hopeful news. So might be some truth to this one. Its at least encouraging that tried to do something.

 

[FlameChampion]

A guy like Brandon Carlo is a huge need for Edmonton

The Brandon Carlo of 3 years ago*

I wouldn’t of minded Carlo honestly. But lets see how Walman does. The stats at least show Walman going up while Carlo is going down.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

North of what Dallas signed him for? Nil accidentally saved Bowman from making a huge mistake.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

A guy like Brandon Carlo is a huge need for Edmonton

Yes who do you suggest in the off season that might be available. I suggest two and half years ago Kovacevic who we could have had for a fourth.
While Lauzon isn;t as good as those two he could help and likely would be available before the draft this year. Yes i know he is hurt and out 6 months.
Who else do you have in mind?

 

[Scrapin Ice]

North of what Dallas signed him for? Nil accidentally saved Bowman from making a huge mistake.

Nah...we didn;t have the assets or the cap for Bowman to make a mistake. I mean unless ur not resigning Bouchard or your trading one of the top 5?

 

[alphahelix]

Stauffer intimated the same yesterday through Brian Lawton.

There's probably shades of truth, but the math doesn't math to me. I was under the impression that Dallas only started negotiating an extension with Rantanen's camp after Dallas and Carolina had agreed to the principals of a trade. If Carolina deemed we didn't have the assets, I don't see how we were involved in any formal numbers talk with Rantanen's camp.

It's possible we were on a short list of teams Rantanen would talk contract with, but it never got that far. It's also possible the walls are thin at the agency where Draisaitl and Rantanen are monster clients.

Nah, Carolina wanted to trade him to Dallas but that trade almost broke down as the Dallas contract offer was low. Darren Dreger even reported that trade was dead at one point. That would have likely been when Carolina allowed Edmonton to talk contract with Rantanen, their 2nd choice of trade. Toronto also had a high offer in around this time but Carolina did not want to trade him in division.

Ultimately, Dallas convinced Rantanen to take the extension there one way or another and the trade was executed.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Nah...we didn;t have the assets or the cap for Bowman to make a mistake.

Which is why I’m saying Nil accidentally saved Bowman by coughing up the assets to get him.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

Which is why I’m saying Nil accidentally saved Bowman by coughing up the assets to get him.

And im saying if Bowman took a serious run at Rantenan or spent serious time on it he was a damn fool!
The time to retool this team or remake this team in the offseason. To kill that option for our New GM is suicide.

 

[McTonyBrar]

We had him. WE f***ING HAD HIM. Why couldn't they have just taken Savoie AND O'Reilly?

 

[alphahelix]

Yes who do you suggest in the off season that might be available. I suggest two and half years ago Kovacevic who we could have had for a fourth.
While Lauzon isn;t as good as those two he could help and likely would be available before the draft this year. Yes i know he is hurt and out 6 months.
Who else do you have in mind?

its hard to find a guy who is good enough to excel in the role and on a contract that fits the structure. Who knows what this type of player will command in the new cap era, it may be difficult to find in UFA. When you get a crack at guys like this under contract you gotta take it. Too bad Adam Larsson is missing the playoffs this year in Seattle instead of playing for a contender.

 

[Not Canada Drai]

It's crazy how Jim Nill still sounds exactly like Holland.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

its hard to find a guy who is good enough to excel in the role and on a contract that fits the structure. Who knows what this type of player will command in the new cap era, it may be difficult to find in UFA. When you get a crack at guys like this under contract you gotta take it. Too bad Adam Larsson is missing the playoffs this year in Seattle instead of playing for a contender.

Really hope we made a run at Carlo. We do need a defensive defenseman first, one that can at least headman the puck out of the zone (Emberson still a work on progress on this). Most of Adam's best years are behind him now?? Not sure he would return here anyways.
There is a guy on the Islanders that should deserve some serious consideration. Wonder how Stan's relationship is with Lou as Lou takes numbers.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

This jives with Strickland earlier this year saying Rantanen would be an Oilers this summer if he fit free agency,

Honestly, we would have been his best chance as well at hitting the numbers he had playing with Mack.

I wonder if the Dallas offer came in before we made the Walman trade. When the canes told us we were out, we used the first on a backup plan.

 

[FlameChampion]

It's crazy how Jim Nill still sounds exactly like Holland.

Minus the drafting record and cap management skills. He is old though. I agree on that at least.

 

[Scrapin Ice]

We had him. WE f***ING HAD HIM. Why couldn't they have just taken Savoie AND O'Reilly?

Have a good cry and get over it. You realize signing Rantenan would likely mean not resigning Bouchard? Even if you dont resign Kapenan, or skinner or one of brown or perry and Klinger. So one of the big 5 would have to go for sure.