Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[DavidHasselhoffsFist]

Anyone watching the pentiction game?

Was thinking about it. Is it on the TubeOfTruth(YouTube)?

Edit: f*** me I thought it started at 6
Answered my own question. To answer yours, yes.

 

[McSuper]

Kostin was a highly touted first round pick. He would have been easily topten pick without injury. He had one of the best shots in his draft class. He still has that cannon. The guy shipes quick release shots as well as anybody on the team. The guy can crank 95MPH shots. He has hands around net too and good accuracy. Thats just on the scoring front. he also skates well and dominates physically. He brings a lot of aspects. How on Earth is he comparable to the muppet players you listed?

The comparison is Oilers fans over pumping players up after a quick start. Kostin had a good start with the Oilers but that all it was until he proves it wasn't

 

[Mr Positive]

The comparison is Oilers fans over pumping players up after a quick start. Kostin had a good start with the Oilers but that all it was until he proves it wasn't

I liked him in the playoffs too.

It's okay to like Kostin. He was a good bottom sixer. But, the cap is the cap. It was McLeod vs Kostin. McLeod is far more valuable.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The comparison is Oilers fans over pumping players up after a quick start. Kostin had a good start with the Oilers but that all it was until he proves it wasn't

All Kostin has done in his career is prove his worth. He's not got a fair shake so far for the efforts put forth. It happens.

I've compared him to Raffi Torres in terms of that and the drafting club sleeping on the player, who turned out to be a good player.

 

[McShogun99]

All Kostin has done in his career is prove his worth. He's not got a fair shake so far for the efforts put forth. It happens.

I've compared him to Raffi Torres in terms of that and the drafting club sleeping on the player, who turned out to be a good player.

I would have liked to keep Kostin but he’s a 1.2-1.5 million dollar player. You think he’d be grateful that the Oilers saved him from getting lost in STL’s system but instead he used the KHL card to get himself overpaid. It’s like we can never keep Russian players.

 

[nexttothemoon]

I find people have to either shit on Kostin and say he was just "lucky"... had zero defense in his game... took piles of stupid penalties and was a greedy rat who talked up how much he loved it here and then threatened to leave and finally bolted for "big money" elsewhere OR some say he was the best shot on the team... basically a unicorn combo of physicality/size/underrated offense and a guy who could have been a top 6 talent with more time and patience from the coaches.

The truth is (to me) obviously somewhere in between.

Good physical player who isn't afraid to fight and has a good shot... (who doesn't shoot enough actually which is a slight negative)... and who isn't as poor defensively as some make him out to be. No Selke candidate to be sure... but his zone usage in the playoffs to me makes it clear that if the coaches hated him that much... he wouldn't get the defensive starts that he did. More TOI and a slightly higher offensive push I think would result in a little more offense as well.

I think he could score 15 goals in a bottom 6 role quite easily and NOT cost his team defensively either.

He's gone but I take the view of "good bottom 6 player... and unfortunate he had to go because of the cap situation"... and not shit on him OR hype him to death. Is he worth ~$2 million... I think he was yes and if the Oilers could have afforded that (in addition to McLeod)... I think they certainly would have kept him around.

 

[TheNumber4]

I would have liked to keep Kostin but he’s a 1.2-1.5 million dollar player. You think he’d be grateful that the Oilers saved him from getting lost in STL’s system but instead he used the KHL card to get himself overpaid. It’s like we can never keep Russian players.

500K away from keeping him. We should have found a way.

 

[trick91]

Not sure why we were so quick to sign Janmark for 1mill. Could have kept kostin over him.

 

[belair]

Not sure why we were so quick to sign Janmark for 1mill. Could have kept kostin over him.

Because Janmark is better than he is, more versatile and half as expensive.

 

[Anarchism]

Not sure why we were so quick to sign Janmark for 1mill. Could have kept kostin over him.

Lets hope by the end of the year Holloway is as good or better than him and with a continuing upside. Holloway likely can play center. Maybe even next year Holloway plays third line center and pushes Mcleod to wing. ????
Is it impossible that our third line becomes Mcleod - Holloway - Bourgault for 24/25.
Kostin and his 2 million contract and his defensive liabilties may not be need by the end of this year.

What really irks me is we sign Erne to a PTO when we could have signed Nick Ritchie directly for the fourth line.

 

[Darkwinter]

Is Tahiti Treat ever going to be a thing again?

Rock Star fruit punch taste the same

 

[SK13]

Not sure why we were so quick to sign Janmark for 1mill. Could have kept kostin over him.

Player 1: Wants 1YR, 1M dollars. Had 10-15-25 in 66GP. Is used on the penalty kill.
Player 2: Wants 2YR, 2M dollars. Using the KHL to negotiate. Had 11-10-21 in 57GP. Is not used on special teams.

Pretty obvious, no?

 

[Zerotonine]

Cereal is dangerous. I don’t buy it often because I binge the shit out of it.

Nothing beats a late night bowl of cereal for a snack

 

[belair]

Rock Star fruit punch taste the same

I miss the big cans of frozen Hi-C. They were all available in the early '00s but that was the last I remember of them.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Because Janmark is better than he is, more versatile and half as expensive.

Not convinced of this or that its a fair comparison. Janmark is a career NHL vet with tons of experience to draw on. Yes, value in that yes.

Kostin is a player that has not had enough GP to scratch the surface of all he can be and one could easily say has much more potential.

In the win now philosophy I can see people saying keep Janmark but the Oilers are getting to be a pretty old team. Kostins energy and vitality and physical play could be helpful at present.

In anycase the club could have kept both and got rid of Foegele. Thats the right answer.

I miss the big cans of frozen Hi-C. They were all available in the early '00s but that was the last I remember of them.

Canada cooler was better

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Sincerely good for jujhar, working for those shots to stay in the league

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Not convinced of this or that its a fair comparison. Janmark is a career NHL vet with tons of experience to draw on. Yes, value in that yes.

Kostin is a player that has not had enough GP to scratch the surface of all he can be and one could easily say has much more potential.

In the win now philosophy I can see people saying keep Janmark but the Oilers are getting to be a pretty old team. Kostins energy and vitality and physical play could be helpful at present.

In anycase the club could have kept both and got rid of Foegele. Thats the right answer.


Canada cooler was better

I like Kostin a lot and wish they could have kept him but the Oilers couldn’t afford to gamble a 2x2 deal on a guy with his resume. Janmark scored at roughly the same clip and was one of our better pk’ing fwds for half the cost. In terms of what Kostin brings we’ve got a couple of young guys in Holloway and Lavoie who offer somewhat similar skillsets for a much cheaper cap hits.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I like Kostin a lot and wish they could have kept him but the Oilers couldn’t afford to gamble a 2x2 deal on a guy with his resume. Janmark scored at roughly the same clip and was one of our better pk’ing fwds for half the cost. In terms of what Kostin brings we’ve got a couple of young guys in Holloway and Lavoie who offer somewhat similar skillsets for a much cheaper cap hits.

Holloway I can see. I don't know why people are penciling in Lavoie. Its really impossible to see what Lavoie is, or that he can be replacing the likes of Kostin, when he hasn't even been in the show. I raise this because its a classic Oilers mistake thinking some prospect is going to fill some body that was actually there, and actually playing very well considering limited minutes.

Kostin scrored 14G's Janmark 10. Not the same. Janmark played more minutes. I like Janmark but he's not near the same scoring potential.

 

[GOilers88]

Nothing beats a late night bowl of cereal for a snack

Why have one when you can have four

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Holloway I can see. I don't know why people are penciling in Lavoie. Its really impossible to see what Lavoie is, or that he can be replacing the likes of Kostin, when he hasn't even been in the show. I raise this because its a classic Oilers mistake thinking some prospect is going to fill some body that was actually there, and actually playing very well considering limited minutes.

Kostin scrored 14G's Janmark 10. Not the same. Janmark played more minutes. I like Janmark but he's not near the same scoring potential

Simple question. Besides half a season with a ballooned shooting % when has Kostin been a goal scorer?

 

[FlameChampion]

Not sure why some people are even comparing Janmark to Kostin. Janmark is a perfect bottom 6 (4LW) player making 1m a year. Signing Janmark didnt prevent signing anyone else.

The debate is really Foegele vs Kostin vs Bjugstad. And a case can be made for all of them.

Foegele
- We more or less know what we are getting with him. Its a good thing and a bad thing. Hes going to give us probably around 12G in the regular season and probably a couple goals in the playoffs. Decent floor but limited ceiling.
- Fits in well with the team. Team mates like him.
- No particular value on the PP or PK.
- Is ok defensively.
- Big body. Goes to the net. Not great hands.
- Hes not a 2.75m dollar player
- Could argue that hes just blocking Holloway (LW3)
- Fact that he only has 1 year left on his deal (versus 2 from the others) I think is a plus. We also dont know if there was a cost to move his contract.

Kostin
- Bigger body and has shown the ability to fight. (fills a different role than Foegele)
- I think the fact that he hasnt produced well in the AHL is a bit of a red flag. When you watch him, you can see the potential though. Ceiling is higher than Foegeles but its hard to say where his floor is. There is also just more risk in Russian players.
- Seems ok defensively to me. But I do wonder if doesnt instill in game what the coaches want in practice.
- Crowd favorite. Sticks up for teammates. Has some swagger.
- Showed more in the playoffs than the other two.
- No value on the PK. He may have some PP value but he isnt getting it with this team.
- Could argue that hes just blocking Holloway (LW3)
- Paying him 2m a year would of allowed a 22 man roster (if Foegele was moved)

Bjugstad
- Big body
- RC fills a role. I would argue that 3C/4C is a bigger hole on this team than LW3 (which Holloway can likely fill)
- More value on the PK than Foegele/Kostin
- Ok defensively. Shown spurts of offense.
- We dont know how well he fit in with the team (hard to know when you're a TDL acquisition)
- Decent floor but not a high ceiling (probably higher than Foegeles)
- Biggest knock for me is, for a guy thats made $30m total, he would rather play on Arizona for an extra 1m a year. Need guys that want to win.
- Paying him 2m a year would of allowed a 22man roster (if Foegele was moved)

I think from an actual roster and cap point of view, Foegele is probably the worst bet. Hes not a 2.75m player at the end of the day. But we dont know if the team could realistically move him or not. Hes liked by his teammates and the Oilers know what they will get from him, which means something. But not sure that he makes us a better team over the other two. I could see him signing more of a team friendly deal next year to stay.

I think Kostin was the riskiest of the three but higher reward. Higher chance that he doesnt replicate what he did (high shooting % combined with no real AHL success). But I think he has more potential than the other two. Fills a different role than Foegele and would of allowed a 22 man roster (which I think is important).

Honestly think Bjugstad makes more sense than both Foegele and Kostin. Fills a role and Holloway can likely replace Foegele/Kostin anyway. But I do question how much he wanted to win so who knows really.

I am not sure that the difference between any of the three really matters though.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Simple question. Besides half a season with a ballooned shooting % when has Kostin been a goal scorer?

This tells me you havent' even looked at his career.

jebus the guy exceeded more than G/G one of his years. Multiple years with Dynamo unders where he ws G/G or better, Was G/g in multiple stints representing Russia in world tournaments.

Apparently to you the guy has never been a goal scorer.

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[SupremeTeam16]

Holloway I can see. I don't know why people are penciling in Lavoie. Its really impossible to see what Lavoie is, or that he can be replacing the likes of Kostin, when he hasn't even been in the show. I raise this because its a classic Oilers mistake thinking some prospect is going to fill some body that was actually there, and actually playing very well considering limited minutes.

Kostin scrored 14G's Janmark 10. Not the same. Janmark played more minutes. I like Janmark but he's not near the same scoring potential.

This team was the runaway league leader in scoring, they don’t need to score more goals, they need to do more to keep them out of their own net and Janmark has more of an impact in that regard then Kostin does.

We’ve got 2-3 young fwds, who bring a mix of similar skill sets as Kostin and who’ve all got some pro experience and we need to start mixing them into the lineup early in the year to see where these guys are at. we’ve got a great mix of elite scorers and veteran support players and our lineup should be capable of supporting a couple young guys in limited roles, and maybe one of these kids surprises and takes a top 6 job.

We’ve got quite a few option to fill out those 1 or 2 bottom of the roster jobs and they’re all far cheaper then Kostin, who did well for a stretch in limited minutes last year but himself is still a bit of an unknown.

 

[Drivesaitl]

This team was the runaway league leader in scoring, they don’t need to score more goals, they need to do more to keep them out of their own net and Janmark has more of an impact in that regard then Kostin does.

We’ve got 2-3 young fwds, who bring a mix of similar skill sets as Kostin and who’ve all got some pro experience and we need to start mixing them into the lineup early in the year to see where these guys are at. we’ve got a great mix of elite scorers and veteran support players and our lineup should be capable of supporting a couple young guys in limited roles, and maybe one of these kids surprises and takes a top 6 job.

We’ve got quite a few option to fill out those 1 or 2 bottom of the roster jobs and they’re all far cheaper then Kostin, who did well for a stretch in limited minutes last year but himself is still a bit of an unknown.

Kostin GA on ice was as low as anybody on the team. Just saying. I get your point but him being some kind of disaster defensively is mistated. In anycase I feel defending is unit based, yes, but primarily most improvement in GA is had through D and G and concerted schemes that make sense.

 

[YakDavid]

Kostin was solid but we really couldn’t overpay him. He doesn’t kill penalties. His shooting percentage was high.

Janmark is a fantastic contract for what he provides. Not sure why we would even compare him to Kostin.

I think Holloway has a great chance to match kostins season from last year.