Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I’m open to other trade suggestions, I just picked essentially a realisticly obtainable package.

Kostins not here cause we couldn’t afford him. My hypothetical makes him affordable if we pulled the trigger on that Dumba deal.

No interest in Bjudstad? Really? I thought he was pretty good in the playoffs. Brought everything we hoped he would.

I have time for Henrique, but I don’t know if the Ducks would see any value in Broberg considering they’re stacked and Future Cup Winning Defensive Prospect Depth that features MINTY.

If I remember correctly Bjugstad got worked in the playoffs.

 

[FlameChampion]

Keeping your prospects forever and letting them develop might seem the most rational thing to do for an organization. But there’s opportunity costs to sticking with your prospects. Especially when your team is in Win Now mode.

It’s how we got negative value for failed prospects Yamo and Pool. And wasted years and Cap space where we could have played an upgrade in their spots. Sometimes a hard decision needs to be made and it’s time to cut bait while we still have a chance of retaining value. How much could we have gotten for Yamo after his PPG season? Probably a sizeable haul, but we couldn’t make the tough decision that this player couldn’t handle the physicality of the NHL until it was too late even though the red flags were there.

I don’t know how much value Broberg has left. But he should have some of his 1st round pedigree value remaining. He had decent seasons in the AHL. A rebuilding team should see value in him.

Who’s the best defenceman we can get for him and Ceci in a package? I’ll pick Dumba since he should be realistically and easily obtainable to use as an example. Dumba, who’s been downtrending should be cheap. Maybe a good option to rebound. He’s handled top 4 minutes his whole career, lots of experience on 1st pairing, and brings some snarl and lots of playoff experience.

Ceci (3.25Mx1)
Broberg (.863M)

For

Dumba (50% retained, 1x1.8M)

If Broberg has more value than I give him credit for, then maybe we can squeeze Bjugstad into the deal so we get:

Dumba (1.8x1)
Bjugstad (1.05Mx2)

We’ve filled two holes by cutting bait on Broberg.

Or if Broberg doesn’t have that type of value, take the Cap Savings, sign Kostin for his 2Mx2years and it gives our bottom 6 an upgrade and gives us a cheap Top 6 RW possibility.

Kane-McDavid-Brown
Nuge-Draisaitl-Hyman
Foegele-Mcleod-(Kostin or Bjudstad)
Holloway-Ryan-Janmark

Nurse-Dumba
Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais

Skinner
Campbell

I think the RD upgrade should be better than Dumba if were trying to win the cup. I dont think Dumba moves the needle enough. They should be trying to replicate the Ekholm trade but find someone on the right side (I dont know who the player is).

If the team does actually get a RD upgrade, he will likely be making some bank. This team might need Broberg and Desharnais cap hits as a LD3/RD3 to pay for the RD1/2 (cap hit wise).

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Broberg is completely fine as the #6.

Some posters on this board have very strange ideas about other teams rosters and how loaded they think they are.

He's fine as the #6 as long as we have an upgrade on Ceci in the top 4. Otherwise we need to keep the best depth players that we have to make up for a lack of another true top 4 option. As it stands right now, Broberg would be in the top 4, that's a spot that could be difficult for him even with how much of a stud D Ekholm is.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If I remember correctly Bjugstad got worked in the playoffs.

Against Eichel. So did Draisaitl supposedly. Bjugstad is a solid 3rd line NHLer.

 

[TheNumber4]

If I remember correctly Bjugstad got worked in the playoffs.

If he got worked it was only in roles he shouldn’t have been pigeonholed into. He saw time as a Top 6er on a Nuge centered line and didn’t go great. He was tasked with taking on Eichel in a matchup and got worked. Played properly in his role, he was good for us.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I’m open to other trade suggestions, I just picked essentially a realisticly obtainable package.

Kostins not here cause we couldn’t afford him. My hypothetical makes him affordable if we pulled the trigger on that Dumba deal.

No interest in Bjudstad? Really? I thought he was pretty good in the playoffs. Brought everything we hoped he would.

I have time for Henrique, but I don’t know if the Ducks would see any value in Broberg considering their stacked and Future Cup Winning Defensive Prospect Depth that features MINTY.

There are like 2 dozen players who fit at Kostin's cost and are just better that should be targets.

Absolutely no interest in a MORE expensive player who lack alot of lust by the end of the playoffs, yes.

Henrique doesn't cost that much, it's probably a 3rd for Henrique at 50%, then having to flip Savoie and a 4th to the Preds to cover the other 50%.

Against Eichel. So did Draisaitl supposedly. Bjugstad is a solid 3rd line NHLer.

He is not, he is in Arizona, but they aren't a serious team.

 

[TheNumber4]

I think the RD upgrade should be better than Dumba if were trying to win the cup. I dont think Dumba moves the needle enough. They should be trying to replicate the Ekholm trade but find someone on the right side (I dont know who the player is).

If the team does actually get a RD upgrade, he will likely be making some bank. This team might need Broberg and Desharnais cap hits as a LD3/RD3 to pay for the RD1/2 (cap hit wise).

Dumba has his warts, but I’m trying to keep the hypothetical realistic.

A better RD would be ideal. But we are dealing with Brobergs value here. And also our Cap situation. I’m open to options though, Dumba is a gamble to rebound.

Ekholm is a 6.5M defenceman. Dunno if we can fit another Ekholm equivalent on this roster, might be too much of a luxury for us at this point. A guy like Parayko might fit the bill, but good luck getting any retention to fit him in if all we are offering is Broberg.

 

[FlameChampion]

Dumba has his warts, but I’m trying to keep the hypothetical realistic.

A better RD would be ideal. But we are dealing with Brobergs value here. And also our Cap situation. I’m open to options though, Dumba is a gamble to rebound.

Ekholm is a 6.5M defenceman. Dunno if we can fit another Ekholm equivalent on this roster, might be too much of a luxury for us at this point. A guy like Parayko might fit the bill, but good luck getting any retention to fit him in if all we are offering is Broberg.

I agree that it is good to be realistic. I still dont think Dumba is enough of an upgrade over Broberg/Ceci though.

I think the RD upgrade is pretty difficult. You need someone whos an actual upgrade. And you need said player to fit within the cap. Thats why a guy like Pesce makes so much sense. But beyond him, I just dont really see much for options.

Is probably why I am even more bullish on at least giving Broberg every shot in the world to try and make the top 4 because even if theres a 10% chance of it happening, it would solve a lot of our problems.

 

[TheNumber4]

There are like 2 dozen players who fit at Kostin's cost and are just better that should be targets.

Absolutely no interest in a MORE expensive player who lack alot of lust by the end of the playoffs, yes.

Henrique doesn't cost that much, it's probably a 3rd for Henrique at 50%, then having to flip Savoie and a 4th to the Preds to cover the other 50%.


He is not, he is in Arizona, but they aren't a serious team.

Dozens better than Kostin? Like who? If there’s so many out there, I’d be surprised considering Kostin is like the best bottom 6er the Oilers had ID’d in years.

Bjudstad lot his trust cause we played him in roles he wasn’t suited for. A match up Center against a Superstar in Eichel for 1M a year?

Henrique scored 38 points in 62 games last year. At 50% retention, I very much doubt he’d cost as little as a 3rd.

 

[oXo Cube]

He's fine as the #6 as long as we have an upgrade on Ceci in the top 4. Otherwise we need to keep the best depth players that we have to make up for a lack of another true top 4 option. As it stands right now, Broberg would be in the top 4, that's a spot that could be difficult for him even with how much of a stud D Ekholm is.

Broberg isn't going to be force-fed a bunch of tough competition ES minutes just because Mattias Ekholm happened to be born in Sweden.

Don't be fooled by a couple of Summer dead time tweets about freaking line combinations.

 

[TheNumber4]

I agree that it is good to be realistic. I still dont think Dumba is enough of an upgrade over Broberg/Ceci though.

I think the RD upgrade is pretty difficult. You need someone whos an actual upgrade. And you need said player to fit within the cap. Thats why a guy like Pesce makes so much sense. But beyond him, I just dont really see much for options.

Is probably why I am even more bullish on at least giving Broberg every shot in the world to try and make the top 4 because even if theres a 10% chance of it happening, it would solve a lot of our problems.

Yeh I don’t see Pesce moving at 50% from a contending team like the Hurricanes. They’ll keep him for their own playoff run.

We’re hoping for Broberg to make the Top 4 on his off side though. As you’ve noted it’s a low chance he makes it. And if he doesn’t we are still going into the playoffs with a weak RD. I don’t think the slim chances are worth it in the McDrai window. We need to ice the best roster possible in this window.

Maybe Dumba ain’t it, but we need to shore up the right side somehow, and Broberg + Ceci ++ is probably our best package to get that done. I’d go an add more pluses if someone better than Dumba was realistic.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Broberg isn't going to be force-fed a bunch of tough competition ES minutes just because Mattias Ekholm happened to be born in Sweden.

Don't be fooled by a couple of Summer dead time tweets about freaking line combinations.

We'll see, so far everything has pointed to an Ekholm-Broberg pairing.

 

[joestevens29]

We'll see, so far everything has pointed to an Ekholm-Broberg pairing.

Considering coaches aren't even around yet I'm not sure how there is much to point to anything at this point. Other than Brown getting a shot in the top 6 somewhere.

 

[McDNicks17]

Broberg is completely fine as the #6.

Some posters on this board have very strange ideas about other teams rosters and how loaded they think they are.

I don't think I've seen anyone that has an issue with him being the #6.

The argument is about not wanting to shoehorn him onto his off side as the #4.

 

[joestevens29]

Broberg isn't going to be force-fed a bunch of tough competition ES minutes just because Mattias Ekholm happened to be born in Sweden.

Don't be fooled by a couple of Summer dead time tweets about freaking line combinations.

For sure, I don't doubt that it may get tried especially if we are running 11-7. But we are far from anything being set in stone at this point.

 

[oXo Cube]

I don't think I've seen anyone that has an issue with him being the #6.

The argument is about not wanting to shoehorn him onto his off side as the #4.

Yeah, that would be pretty dumb.

Given that everyone who isn't a media pundit trying to drum up engagement in August already knows that I don't see any point in worrying about it.

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't think I've seen anyone that has an issue with him being the #6.

The argument is about not wanting to shoehorn him onto his off side as the #4.

I'd have issue with him being a #6 if it meant no Playoffs Beast Kulak in there instead.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Keeping your prospects forever and letting them develop might seem the most rational thing to do for an organization. But there’s opportunity costs to sticking with your prospects. Especially when your team is in Win Now mode.

It’s how we got negative value for failed prospects Yamo and Pool. And wasted years and Cap space where we could have played an upgrade in their spots. Sometimes a hard decision needs to be made and it’s time to cut bait while we still have a chance of retaining value. How much could we have gotten for Yamo after his PPG season? Probably a sizeable haul, but we couldn’t make the tough decision that this player couldn’t handle the physicality of the NHL until it was too late even though the red flags were there.

I don’t know how much value Broberg has left. But he should have some of his 1st round pedigree value remaining. He had decent seasons in the AHL. A rebuilding team should see value in him.

Who’s the best defenceman we can get for him and Ceci in a package? I’ll pick Dumba since he should be realistically and easily obtainable to use as an example. Dumba, who’s been downtrending should be cheap. Maybe a good option to rebound. He’s handled top 4 minutes his whole career, lots of experience on 1st pairing, and brings some snarl and lots of playoff experience.

Ceci (3.25Mx1)
Broberg (.863M)

For

Dumba (50% retained, 1x1.8M)

If Broberg has more value than I give him credit for, then maybe we can squeeze Bjugstad into the deal so we get:

Dumba (1.8x1)
Bjugstad (1.05Mx2)

We’ve filled two holes by cutting bait on Broberg.

Or if Broberg doesn’t have that type of value, take the Cap Savings, sign Kostin for his 2Mx2years and it gives our bottom 6 an upgrade and gives us a cheap Top 6 RW possibility.

Kane-McDavid-Brown
Nuge-Draisaitl-Hyman
Foegele-Mcleod-(Kostin or Bjudstad)
Holloway-Ryan-Janmark

Nurse-Dumba
Ekholm-Bouchard
Kulak-Desharnais

Skinner
Campbell

Dumba isn't much better than Ceci. We don't need Dumbas scoring we need better defense from Ceci.

Broberg will take a big step this year if he can stay healthy. Trading him is Dumb(a).

 

[Louis Cypher]

We'll see, so far everything has pointed to an Ekholm-Broberg pairing.

Maybe Ekholm moves over to the right side. I remember him talking about that in his interview after we acquired him.

 

[SK13]

The line experiments that happen in September don't often translate to the Game 1 roster.

Basically if Ekholm and Broberg play together in preseason for a game or two and aren't completely dominant together, the chances that Ekholm-Bouchard isn't simply the Game 1 pairing are pretty slim imo.

 

[Heavy Dee]

What did Gregor just say about Sutter? I missed it but he was talking about his skate today.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I don't think I've seen anyone that has an issue with him being the #6.

The argument is about not wanting to shoehorn him onto his off side as the #4.

If we want him to play.

Just have him play his offside on the 3rd pair and keep ekholm-bouchard as a thing, that makes way more sense than top 4 on your offhand.

 

[GOilers88]

I agree that it is good to be realistic. I still dont think Dumba is enough of an upgrade over Broberg/Ceci though.

I think the RD upgrade is pretty difficult. You need someone whos an actual upgrade. And you need said player to fit within the cap. Thats why a guy like Pesce makes so much sense. But beyond him, I just dont really see much for options.

Is probably why I am even more bullish on at least giving Broberg every shot in the world to try and make the top 4 because even if theres a 10% chance of it happening, it would solve a lot of our problems.

What do you think about Demelo out of Winnipeg?

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Against Eichel. So did Draisaitl supposedly. Bjugstad is a solid 3rd line NHLer.

I loved Bjugstad while he was here but he visibly struggled trying to contain Eichel. I don’t always trust numbers but the naked eye didn’t lie vs Vegas. Maybe Eichel is just his personal bugaboo but he didn’t get the job done.

 

[Fourier]

I loved Bjugstad while he was here but he visibly struggled trying to contain Eichel. I don’t always trust numbers but the naked eye didn’t lie vs Vegas. Maybe Eichel is just his personal bugaboo but he didn’t get the job done.

Bjugstad had a bit of a bounce back season last year but he has been more of a 3rd/4th line tweener for a while now. He got a 2 year deal at $2.1M from Arizona which is certainly too rich for what the Oilers could give him for the role he would play. He did seem to like his time in Edmonton and talked about winning over money but in the end money won out.