Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Lavoie Vs. Pederson Vs. Sutter Vs. Gagner Vs. Caggiula

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He had an awesome rookie year in metrics. Signing him to that could be yuge. He looks like a dmen who gets it

He'll truly have to, because that's just so so much for so long

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Everyone here speaks for Holland so much.
Your answer is do nothing lets assess.

The Oilers have a 21 player roster and $382,499 in cap space. That doesn't scream 'big trade'.

They clearly are rolling into the season with what they have with maybe some juggling for a PTO guy. The team has a shallow prospect pool and finite draft picks as prospective trading chips. Seems pretty common sense to give this roster runway to first answer questions about internal support player before spending your trade collateral at trade deadline where it is needed. Can't predict injuries either so don't see this team blowing assets until they need to lock in at deadline.

No 5D chess moves at this time.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Wild card is Brown's health. I think one of the guys mentioned in the title was brought in "just in case"

Like everyone. The Brown contract is great "if" he stays healthy

 

[Anarchism]

The Oilers have a 21 player roster and $382,499 in cap space. That doesn't scream 'big trade'.

They clearly are rolling into the season with what they have with maybe some juggling for a PTO guy. The team has a shallow prospect pool and finite draft picks as prospective trading chips. Seems pretty common sense to give this roster runway to first answer questions about internal support player before spending your trade collateral at trade deadline where it is needed. Can't predict injuries either so don't see this team blowing assets until they need to lock in at deadline.

No 5D chess moves at this time.

I get it. Not much if any money to spend. Assets are valuable right now cause we dont have an oversupply.
But to get us to that top 4 and beyond we have to fix a few things.
Maybe we have 5 places we could strengthen. Yes i get it we don't need to fix them all -- were close.
But we could fix two small ones...$ in $ out....say one trade at close to minimum and one signing pushing one guy down.
The opportunity was here.
Trying to fix 3 things at the deadline not likely -- there is 10 other teams trying to fix things too.
Also buying 3 guys at the deadline not so good as surely harder to work into your line up.
Obviously not all the gambles will work.
Improvement by Mcleod.
Brown's leg and his skating ability -- can he skate at McDavid's speed anymore if healthy?
Holloway -- maybe a good gamble but can he play center. Will he need time out of the lineup?
Desi/Broberg -- is Broberg even an NHL player let alone a good one?
Ceci -- while he is a good bet to improve especially with a bit of reduced toi not a sure thing.
Goalies -- will Skinner grow? How will he face adversity in face of a bigger book on his play? Will Campbell see periods where he is mentally stronger or will we see very inconsistent and unpredictable play.
Do we need some stronger/more aggressive players in the line up or will we continue to use our stars Nurse and Kane for this? Will we see one of our star players out for substantial time as other team take increasing liberties.

Some gambles will fail.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

The Oilers have a 21 player roster and $382,499 in cap space. That doesn't scream 'big trade'.

They clearly are rolling into the season with what they have with maybe some juggling for a PTO guy. The team has a shallow prospect pool and finite draft picks as prospective trading chips. Seems pretty common sense to give this roster runway to first answer questions about internal support player before spending your trade collateral at trade deadline where it is needed. Can't predict injuries either so don't see this team blowing assets until they need to lock in at deadline.

No 5D chess moves at this time.

I also think the same roster returning is a positive. Our worst years resulted in changing over almost half the roster only to achieve the same result. Building on last year's success with the same linemates and chemistry is usually what happens to teams that end up winning championships. Rarely do you see much roster turnover on successful teams.

 

[Anarchism]

I also think the same roster returning is a positive. Our worst years resulted in changing over almost half the roster only to achieve the same result. Building on last year's success with the same linemates and chemistry is usually what happens to teams that end up winning championships. Rarely do you see much roster turnover on successful teams.

Rare?
Colorado -- the two years before they won?
Vegas -- big trades the last 3 years?

No one is looking for much more than strengthening a couple of places.

 

[McDNicks17]

He'll truly have to, because that's just so so much for so long

He's still on his ELC for another year, so he won't be playing on that contract until the cap goes up.

Give it two or three years and $8M will probably be cheap for a top pairing guy.

 

[syz]

Pencilling a guy in as a top pairing defenseman after one okay season on a shitty team seems insane to me, especially when they had another ELC year left to evaluate, but I guess time will tell.

 

[PaPaDee]

I'm sure Sanderson is a fine player, but lol what?

That’s ridiculous. If he had a really good year this year, to build off last year, it would still be crazy, but could at least have some justification. This is just insane.

 

[FlameChampion]

I'm sure Sanderson is a fine player, but lol what?

I don’t watch Sens enough to really know. But generally signing your star players that you believe in, tends to work out pretty well for the team. So this likely ages well.

I think it’s important also for teams like Ottawa to lock up their guys. But I do wonder if waiting a year would of been beneficial. How much extra would of he really got?

Only thing that I will say after reading some of the comments, theres already some posters on the mains comparing him to Heiskanen. And some of them are acting like they have 3 #1 dman in Sanderson, Chychrun and Chabot. Feels a bit like they Flames. Teams with 3 number 1 dman don’t struggle to make the playoffs.

I do like where Ottawa is headed though. Some fans need to slow down and enjoy the ride though.

 

[grego]

If gagner was willing to be sent down on paper on off days and risk being claimed on waivers he would be a good choice as an extra forward. As that daily money saved is a minor way of accumulating extra cap space and isn't illegal.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don’t watch Sens enough to really know. But generally signing your star players that you believe in, tends to work out pretty well for the team. So this likely ages well.

I think it’s important also for teams like Ottawa to lock up their guys. But I do wonder if waiting a year would of been beneficial. How much extra would of he really got?

Only thing that I will say after reading some of the comments, theres already some posters on the mains comparing him to Heiskanen. And some of them are acting like they have 3 #1 dman in Sanderson, Chychrun and Chabot. Feels a bit like they Flames. Teams with 3 number 1 dman don’t struggle to make the playoffs.

I do like where Ottawa is headed though. Some fans need to slow down and enjoy the ride though.

My thoughts are the Sens "Look" like they're headed in the right direction, they have some good young players, but they were still a fully non-playoff team last year and that has to change.

 

[Fourier]

Sanderson's deal simply reflects the reality of where team's see that the cap is going. This is also why people who think that Nurse is worth less than $8M on his deal are looking at it the wrong way. The goal of an 8 year deal for a younger player is for the deal to be at least fair value by year 4. While Nurse is over paid by year 4 of his deal $8.5M will likely be very much a fair price for his role.

 

[Frank the Tank]

If gagner was willing to be sent down on paper on off days and risk being claimed on waivers he would be a good choice as an extra forward. As that daily money saved is a minor way of accumulating extra cap space and isn't illegal.

Gagner could just play the game Spezza did in the final season with the Leafs - if you claim me off waivers, I'm retiring because I signed to play my last season for the Leafs only.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Rare?
Colorado -- the two years before they won?
Vegas -- big trades the last 3 years?

No one is looking for much more than strengthening a couple of places.

You realize Edm roster has significantly changed the last 3 years also lmao

 

[Anarchism]

You realize Edm roster has significantly changed the last 3 years also lmao

Okay maybe your point went over my head. Because we made changes in the past keeps us from making changes this year....is that what your saying lmao Bobby?

 

[alphahelix]

My thoughts are the Sens "Look" like they're headed in the right direction, they have some good young players, but they were still a fully non-playoff team last year and that has to change.

They’re a fully playoff team this year. Bottom of the East will be interesting this year. Buffalo should be in too but much depends on Devon Levi. I’m comfortable that Korpisalo/Forsberg will do the job in Ottawa.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

They’re a fully playoff team this year

Sure, but they'll have to actual achieve that, the weren't really that close last year. under 90 pts, 6 points behind the Panthers for the last spot. Hell they had 7 less points than the Flames.

You might be right, but it's not like they're anything close to a lock.

 

[alphahelix]

Sure, but they'll have to actual achieve that, the weren't really that close last year. under 90 pts, 6 points behind the Panthers for the last spot. Hell they had 7 less points than the Flames.

You might be right, but it's not like they're anything close to a lock.

You have to pick 8 other teams to land above them. Can’t see it. Their goaltending/D should be meaningfully better this year, partly due to experience/age. If Devon Levi is .910 all year Sabres probably make it too. Changing of the guard out east.

 

[Anarchism]

Pencilling a guy in as a top pairing defenseman after one okay season on a shitty team seems insane to me, especially when they had another ELC year left to evaluate, but I guess time will tell.

Maybe its a helleva good move. Maybe its the anti Nurse move that some fool here made.
Maybe Staios even had some input on this.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Okay maybe your point went over my head. Because we made changes in the past keeps us from making changes this year....is that what your saying lmao Bobby?

Sounds….like….you…just want….moves for the sake….of moves….terrible

 

[bobbythebrain]

Okay maybe your point went over my head. Because we made changes in the past keeps us from making changes this year....is that what your saying lmao Bobby?

Connor Brown is a change.

Oh, and cap..I'm not entirely sure you realize that exists

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Connor Brown is a change.

Oh, and cap..I'm not entirely sure you realize that exists

What big moves have Vegas and Colorado done this off season?

…… is complaining for the sake of complaining

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I get it. Not much if any money to spend. Assets are valuable right now cause we dont have an oversupply.
But to get us to that top 4 and beyond we have to fix a few things.
Maybe we have 5 places we could strengthen. Yes i get it we don't need to fix them all -- were close.
But we could fix two small ones...$ in $ out....say one trade at close to minimum and one signing pushing one guy down.
The opportunity was here.
Trying to fix 3 things at the deadline not likely -- there is 10 other teams trying to fix things too.
Also buying 3 guys at the deadline not so good as surely harder to work into your line up.
Obviously not all the gambles will work.
Improvement by Mcleod.
Brown's leg and his skating ability -- can he skate at McDavid's speed anymore if healthy?
Holloway -- maybe a good gamble but can he play center. Will he need time out of the lineup?
Desi/Broberg -- is Broberg even an NHL player let alone a good one?
Ceci -- while he is a good bet to improve especially with a bit of reduced toi not a sure thing.
Goalies -- will Skinner grow? How will he face adversity in face of a bigger book on his play? Will Campbell see periods where he is mentally stronger or will we see very inconsistent and unpredictable play.
Do we need some stronger/more aggressive players in the line up or will we continue to use our stars Nurse and Kane for this? Will we see one of our star players out for substantial time as other team take increasing liberties.

Some gambles will fail.

This team has question marks. It's a rebuild built upon a rebuild built upon a rebuild. Holland has finally surrounded McDavid and Draisaitl with quality support talent. However the work is not perfect. It's an 'All In' year and I anticipate a very aggressive trade deadline after this team rolls out the current roster and evaluates some of the soft areas.

I guess people can view the situation as glass half full or empty. The Vegas loss was tough because it was so close with the difference really Oiler own zone breakdowns and mistakes while Vegas road their team structure and a hot tender past them to a Cup. The Oil can produce offence with the league's best. Now collectively they need to commit to defend at elite level. That's systems, personnel, and mentality.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I also think the same roster returning is a positive. Our worst years resulted in changing over almost half the roster only to achieve the same result. Building on last year's success with the same linemates and chemistry is usually what happens to teams that end up winning championships. Rarely do you see much roster turnover on successful teams.

The heavy lifting is done. Now it's time to commit fully to learning how to defend with consistency and mitigate the own zone breakdowns that separated them from winning the Vegas series. They will have a solid runway to evaluate vulnerable support areas on their roster and tweak at the deadline. I think the organization will be very aggressive at that point to plug any perceived holes. Personally I believe that will be a top 4 RD and ,depending on how camp goes, possibly a veteran bottom six centre with a hard, greasy and reliable game.