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BeranekAndNeck said:
We realistically do not have the pieces to trade for Pasta even if he was offered up, that’s just not us. The best we can do is try and saw off matchups when McDrai are not on the ice, and you get there by adding shot suppressors like Mikheyev. It’s a nice bonus he also happens to be a solid rush chance creator, which Dickinson as a bit of a black hole himself needs on his line.

I would love the depth one day to run something like RNH-Dickinson-Hyman, no question, but until a Howard or someone takes a big leap in development we are probably looking at 20 minutes from the McDavid line, 20 from Drai’s line, 12-13 from an effective shutdown unit, and 5-7 from the fourth line. It’s a recipe other teams have used and if you can make sure those “bottom 20” minute guys are keeping chances against down, you will win more than lose.
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Unless it was a situation where he specifically wanted to come here and say someone like Savoie or Howard is progressing well, then a package of a 1st + Howard/Savoie + one more piece probably could do it.

These 3-4 million players that the Oilers think they're getting a deal on have generally been fool's gold to date.

$4 million - Arvidsson
$3 million - Skinner
$3 million - Henrique
$3.8 million - Frederic
$3 million - Mangiapane

All of these have been whiffs and we would have been better off just keeping the cap room open even if it meant holding out for a $5-$7 million player.
 
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Burnt Biscuits said:
I want Mikheyev and like the player quite a bit, but its seems like him and Nuge both ideally slot on the 3rd line LW spot and while I'm sure you could slide Mikheyev to the RW that just feels like a lot of money to spend on a 3rd line. While one could argue we'd be spending roughly as much money on the 3rd line with Frederic taking that spot instead, but he's a mistake we are stuck with so its more of a trying to make lemonade out of lemons situation.
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Listening to the Babcock interview he mentions finding ice for all the C’s and he dropped Nuges name.

I fully expect McDrai at home when they have the last change and Nuge at 2C.

Reading between the lines, I’m thinking he wants to build a bigger 3rd line around Dickinson.

The Howard trade seems pointless right now.
 
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Ritchie Valens said:
True enough gents, but considering how the league treats the Oilers (Kane LTIR for example) they don’t need to give them any more reason to be put under the microscope.

With Hyman, did the Leafs not allow him to talk to other teams though? Maybe I’m not remembering correctly.
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This was when the teams were allowed to talk to players a week before FA. Couldn’t sign until the first but could talk to players
 
CupofOil said:
It's the desperation to get out of the contract. How are you not understanding that?

If you think that swapping Nurse for Risto for a few months (they could flip him during the season) is the thing that will sewer the Oilers season then you're either really overrating Nurse or maybe underrating Risto then we'll just agree to disagree that it's that huge of a downgrade.
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I am understanding that you are downgrading our d in a position that we don’t need to while still leaving a 3LD hole in a season we shouldn’t be just because YOU don’t believe reports we could get something useful.
 
Faelko said:
Listening to the Babcock interview he mentions finding ice for all the C’s and he dropped Nuges name.

I fully expect McDrai at home when they have the last change and Nuge at 2C.

Reading between the lines, I’m thinking he wants to build a bigger 3rd line around Dickinson.

The Howard trade seems pointless right now.
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Where is the interview- would love to give it a listen
 
MIkheyev has familiarity already with Babcock from his time in Toronto.

When Mikheyev arrived from the KHL, he was immediately used by Babcock on the PK because of his speed and work ethic. He is a player that can execute his system. He's a great forechecked because he wins races to pucks. NHL edge has him in the 95th percentile and a 45.2% defensive zone start.

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Also worth noting that he is familiar with Dickinson as they played 472 minutes together with a 46.66 xGF% this year. They also played 411 minutes together the year prior.

He could even be a bit of a Hyman-lite. He has a relentless motor, great forechecker, retrieves pucks and coaches trust them. He's just not nearly as good in front of the net or along the boards.

If he was willing to sign a 3.5M contract I have time for that. Having 18-20 goals from a 3rd line would be a good get. He was 4th on chicago in scoring which is kind of crazy. I just don't think he would be a top 6 player here and shouldn't be expected to be in that role.
 
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I have a question for the people who want to pay to acquire Debrusk, what makes you like him more than Mantha? The current rumors are Mantha's cap-hit will be between $5-$6M on an extension and looking for a 4 year deal, where as Debrusk is at $5.5M on a 5 year deal, and their ages are pretty close.

In terms of the player I just don't see anything that Debrusk brings to the table that Mantha doesn't, Mantha is a bigger frame with a higher skill ceiling and while it doesn't come out often I'd say he has more snarl/edge to his game. I guess Debrusk is a better PP guy, but Mantha is a better 5v5 guy, and we need more help at 5v5 than the PP. They also battle similar inconsistency/work ethic issues, but can be dynamite when they are on.

It feels like the drive for Debrusk is more name recognition and being a local kid, cause I think he is plainly worse than Mantha.
 
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McDoused said:
MIkheyev has familiarity already with Babcock from his time in Toronto.

When Mikheyev arrived from the KHL, he was immediately used by Babcock on the PK because of his speed and work ethic. He is a player that can execute his system. He's a great forechecked because he wins races to pucks. NHL edge has him in the 9th percentile and a 45.2% defensive zone start.

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Also worth noting that he is familiar with Dickinson as they played 472 minutes together with a 46.66 xGF% this year. They also played 411 minutes together the year prior.

He could even be a bit of a Hyman-lite. He has a relentless motor, great forechecker, retrieves pucks and coaches trust them. He's just not nearly as good in front of the net or along the boards.

If he was willing to sign a 3.5M contract I have time for that. Having 18-20 goals from a 3rd line would be a good get. He was 4th on chicago in scoring which is kind of crazy. I just don't think he would be a top 6 player here and shouldn't be expected to be in that role.
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For ~$4m AAV who fits the 3RW role

RNH - Dickinson - XXXX

Kirby Dach or Ilya Mikheyev?
 
Burnt Biscuits said:
I have a question for the people who want to pay to acquire Debrusk, what makes you like him more than Mantha? The current rumors are Mantha's cap-hit will be between $5-$6M on an extension and looking for a 4 year deal, where as Debrusk is at $5.5M on a 5 year deal, and their ages are pretty close.

In terms of the player I just don't see anything that Debrusk brings to the table that Mantha doesn't, Mantha is a bigger frame with a higher skill ceiling and while it doesn't come out often I'd say he has more snarl/edge to his game. I guess Debrusk is a better PP guy, but Mantha is a better 5v5 guy, and we need more help at 5v5 than the PP. They also battle similar inconsistency/work ethic issues, but can be dynamite when they are on.

It feels like the drive for Debrusk is more name recognition and being a local kid, cause I think he is plainly worse than Mantha.
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I think Debrusk is on the radar because he’s the type of lazy acquisition that Bowman would shoot for.

That and Stauffer and his “distressed” asset comments.
 
Burnt Biscuits said:
I have a question for the people who want to pay to acquire Debrusk, what makes you like him more than Mantha? The current rumors are Mantha's cap-hit will be between $5-$6M on an extension and looking for a 4 year deal, where as Debrusk is at $5.5M on a 5 year deal, and their ages are pretty close.

In terms of the player I just don't see anything that Debrusk brings to the table that Mantha doesn't, Mantha is a bigger frame with a higher skill ceiling and while it doesn't come out often I'd say he has more snarl/edge to his game. I guess Debrusk is a better PP guy, but Mantha is a better 5v5 guy, and we need more help at 5v5 than the PP. They also battle similar inconsistency/work ethic issues, but can be dynamite when they are on.

It feels like the drive for Debrusk is more name recognition and being a local kid, cause I think he is plainly worse than Mantha.
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Nobody wants Debrusk. In fact it's my personal doomsday scenario.

I'm just assuming it's going to happen because it's actually realistically achievable and also a very Oilers move.
 
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Faelko said:
Listening to the Babcock interview he mentions finding ice for all the C’s and he dropped Nuges name.

I fully expect McDrai at home when they have the last change and Nuge at 2C.

Reading between the lines, I’m thinking he wants to build a bigger 3rd line around Dickinson.

The Howard trade seems pointless right now.
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I think Babcock has been a little too removed from the game and loved Nuge's game in the past a ton, when they deep dive on the video review I'm thinking they'll see the error of that thinking. Also there were murmurs of the same last offseason, but it was quickly abandoned.

Also I was pretty strongly against paying up for Kyrou cause I don't think he' s what McDrai need on their respective lines, but Kyrou is the kind of player Nuge needs if he is centering his own line, he needs that offensive catalyst and zone entry help (not that I would attempt to outbid WSH's offer).
 
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Ritchie Valens said:
True enough gents, but considering how the league treats the Oilers (Kane LTIR for example) they don’t need to give them any more reason to be put under the microscope.

With Hyman, did the Leafs not allow him to talk to other teams though? Maybe I’m not remembering correctly.
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Yeah the Leafs granted Hyman permission to talk to other teams to see if he could work out a sign and trade. Then the Oilers and Hyman agreed to an 8 year deal at which point the Leafs refused to deal him to us for whatever mid pick we were offering. So we signed Hyman for 7 years at a slightly higher AAV a few days later and the Leafs got nothing.

It was definitely a Kyle Dubas big brain turn down a free asset for literally no reason move.
 
Nurse to Philly 15% retained and Howard for Seeler and Noah Cates.

RNH--Dicky--Cates.
Drew--Samanski--Freddy/Malenstyn or resign Kapper on the cheap.)
Dach

Eks -- Boo
Wally -- Murph
Seeler -- Peeke/Ember
 
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