Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: Help Wanted

[MessierII]

If we’re looking for a forward at the deadline, I would be quite interested in Zegras. He’s had a rough couple of years in Anaheim and might need a change of scenery. This is a player who has shown to be an ultra competitor in the past and gives me Tkachuk vibes (you hate his guts if he’s on the other team but love him on your own team)

Zegras might be the softest, easiest player to play against in the NHL. What are you thinking with this comparison?

 

[McDrai]

Zegras might be the softest, easiest player to play against in the NHL. What are you thinking with this comparison?

I meant he’s an asshole like Tkachuk lol

 

[MessierII]

I meant he’s an asshole like Tkachuk lol

He’s not though. Maybe cocky a bit when he came in. He’s a one dimensional finesse player who hasn’t been able to produce offense consistently.

 

[McDrai]

He’s not though. Maybe cocky a bit when he came in. He’s a one dimensional finesse player who hasn’t been able to produce offense consistently.

He was producing pretty consistently in his first 2 seasons in the league, with not much around him to boot. Was just thinking he could be a fairly decent buy low player who could potentially figure things out on a more competitive team.

 

[Tarus]

I’ve seen a lot of crazy things said on this website but saying Zegras gives you Tkachuk vibes is up there. They couldn’t be more polar opposites.

He just got suspended for a blatant headshot, so maybe a bit of recency bias going on with that take

Zegres is supposedly disliked around the NHL, but sounds like it's more that he's a relentless show-boater and incredibly juvenile person that other NHLers find off-putting, rather than an abrasive on ice presence.

 

[McDoused]

I saw some posters earlier complaining about how we let McLeod go and signed Henrique.

Just wanted to remind them that we got Matt Savoie in tbe deal back who is on his ELC and the an RFA after. McLeod is gonna get paid this summer as he has arbitration rights.

Also McLeod 5v5 has played 705 minutes and has 36 GF and 31 GA for a 53.73 GF%. His xGF is 26.5, almost 10 higher than what was expected so he's been getting lucky. He has a 47.06 HDGF% with 16HDGF and 18HDGA.

Henrique on the other hand has played 690 minutes 5v5 and has 23 GF and 20 GA for a 53.49 GF%. Henriques HDGF is 14HDGF and 11 HDCA for a 56HDGF%.

My point is that even though McLeod is putting up offensive numbers, his defensive numbers have taken a hit. Henrique has been the better defensive player. Add in that the Oilers get Savoie and it's a no brainer.

 

[On The Prowl]

He just got suspended for a blatant headshot, so maybe a bit of recency bias going on with that take

Zegres is supposedly disliked around the NHL, but sounds like it's more that he's a relentless show-boater and incredibly juvenile person that other NHLers find off-putting, rather than an abrasive on ice presence.

Seems like a huge D-bag to me, but if its cheap why not.

 

[foshizzle]

He reminds me alot of Mike Smith (the good and the bad). But when he is dialed in, he his lights out. But acquiring him would be hard, but I feel St.Louis owes us.

His puck moving would be huge. The oilers give up few high danger chances and like to move the puck up the middle, Biddington would be a huge help in that.

I’m guessing Schwartz is involved in this decision and that’s why you are hearing “no one is an upgrade on Skinner”. That guy should be no where around goalie discussions. Woody listened to him when he said leave Skinner in against Vegas, Holland listened to him on Campbell. Guy sucks

 

[Fourier]

I'm not sure if Spector is alluding to this, but he's technically right that the Oilers would have more effective space if they're not operating in LTIR, when you consider proration

We are only talking about a few thousand though. That is hardly a compensation for losing a potential $5M add at some point in the playoffs. There are only two reasons to move Kane. One is that he will be back sometime before the season ends and the space is needed to make a deal now. The second is that you expect the market for him would be better today than it would be in the off season. Frankly, I don't see how the latter would be true.

You can't request an extension after the trade deadline, unfortunately. It'll be a maximum of 3 games, or more likely 2.

I honestly did not know that.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That's the only good thing I could say about Chiarelli's time here. They at least drafted better.
5 years under Holland, and not one single prospect outside of Broberg/Holloway have made any sort of impact. Just abysmal drafting by Wright.

The Oilers haven't taken drafting/development seriously in about 3 decades. Hate to harp on the issue but imagine this team with Ratchuk instead of JP....

 

[Kaniac]

Id trade for a goalie for the sake of making a change. The goalie duo we have is definitely not it. Even if Gibson is a lateral move at least we tried something. But I think he'd be pretty pumped to play for a contender.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Oilers grossly overpaid for Henrique. The oilers were the only team to give up a 1st rounder last deadline. Better players went for less

I mentioned this last year. The Oilers had to give up a first because they were "holding" Rico while they tried to get the Buchnevich deal done. When they couldn't they had to circle back to Henrique.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I saw some posters earlier complaining about how we let McLeod go and signed Henrique.

Just wanted to remind them that we got Matt Savoie in tbe deal back who is on his ELC and the an RFA after. McLeod is gonna get paid this summer as he has arbitration rights.

Also McLeod 5v5 has played 705 minutes and has 36 GF and 31 GA for a 53.73 GF%. His xGF is 26.5, almost 10 higher than what was expected so he's been getting lucky. He has a 47.06 HDGF% with 16HDGF and 18HDGA.

Henrique on the other hand has played 690 minutes 5v5 and has 23 GF and 20 GA for a 53.49 GF%. Henriques HDGF is 14HDGF and 11 HDCA for a 56HDGF%.

My point is that even though McLeod is putting up offensive numbers, his defensive numbers have taken a hit. Henrique has been the better defensive player. Add in that the Oilers get Savoie and it's a no brainer.

You are not wrong, but when you let Mcleod go then you better go get some more speed. Instead? They lost more speed with Foegele and Holloway leaving.........

They can do some damage repair this deadline, but will they?????

 

[Ritchie Valens]

The Oilers haven't taken drafting/development seriously in about 3 decades. Hate to harp on the issue but imagine this team with Ratchuk instead of JP....

That’s why it’s hard to gauge a player based on a two week junior tournament. Didn’t JP lead that year’s WJC in scoring and that shot his draft stock up?

I’d imagine Tkachuk still would have wanted out to play in the States in the end but the Oilers would have useful players on the roster in return instead of nothing (I’m giving management too much credit here probably-lol).

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

That’s why it’s hard to gauge a player based on a two week junior tournament. Didn’t JP lead that year’s WJC in scoring and that shot his draft stock up?

I’d imagine Tkachuk still would have wanted out to play in the States in the end but the Oilers would have useful players on the roster in return instead of nothing (I’m giving management too much credit here probably-lol).

I think JP was consensus #1 a good year/ year and a half before his draft year? Or at least a 1/2 with Matthews

I couldn't stand the guy, No hockey IQ, Pure athlete, Idiot off the ice

I do believe the Oilers thought they were drafting Matthew Tkachuk. They told him so the night before the draft, until the Finish manager in CBJ pulled a fast one and didn't draft JP

 

[Zerotonine]

Gibson has had a lot of bad games in the past 5 years.

Still no were as many as Skinner on the worst team in the league when Skinner had been behind one of the best. That math doesn't math no matter how you spin it

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That’s why it’s hard to gauge a player based on a two week junior tournament. Didn’t JP lead that year’s WJC in scoring and that shot his draft stock up?

I’d imagine Tkachuk still would have wanted out to play in the States in the end but the Oilers would have useful players on the roster in return instead of nothing (I’m giving management too much credit here probably-lol).

The red flags should've immediately gone up when the Finnish GM passed on him. Who knows if Tkachuk would've stayed here but at least we likely would've gotten something useful for him.

Man that was such a coup by Zito. What a fantastic GM.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

One thing I'll never fault the team for is drafting BPA. Yakupov and Puljujarvi were mismanaged from the day they were drafted however. Draisaitl was sent down to Junior in year 1, and sent to the AHL briefly in year 2. They made him earn it and it paid off.

 

[CupofOil]

And sometimes the grass just seems greener elsewhere.

I don't care about Skinner but don't want to trade away Pickard just to add Skinner 2.0

Pickard isn't the issue anyway. 12-7 with a .909 save pct. last year, was good enough to step in and right the ship when Skinner shit the bed in the Vancouver series and 14-6 this season with a .901 save pct. while not great is fine for a backup. I'd even go as far as to say that Pickard is a value contract for what he brings.
The issue, especially this season, is the Oilers starting goaltender.

 

[TB12]

Pickard isn't the issue anyway. 12-7 with a .909 save pct. last year, was good enough to step in and right the ship when Skinner shit the bed in the Vancouver series and 14-6 this season with a .901 save pct. while not great is fine for a backup. I'd even go as far as to say that Pickard is a value contract for what he brings.
The issue, especially this season, is the Oilers starting goaltender.

Yet some people still feel wE jUsT nEeD bEtTeR dEfEnCe

If Skinner has a million haters, then I am one of them. If Skinner has ten haters, then I am one of them. If Skinner has only one hater then that is me. If Skinner has no haters, then that means I am no longer on this earth.

Get a f***ing goalie.

 

[Fourier]

Yet some people still feel wE jUsT nEeD bEtTeR dEfEnCe

If Skinner has a million haters, then I am one of them. If Skinner has ten haters, then I am one of them. If Skinner has only one hater then that is me. If Skinner has no haters, then that means I am no longer on this earth.

Get a f***ing goalie.

So you are on the fence about Skinner I guess...

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I'm starting to worry the Stars are going to add big. We need to be able to match. IMO Savoie should be traded. How else do you do it?

 

[Bumblebee Man]

One thing I'll never fault the team for is drafting BPA. Yakupov and Puljujarvi were mismanaged from the day they were drafted however. Draisaitl was sent down to Junior in year 1, and sent to the AHL briefly in year 2. They made him earn it and it paid off.

Ha. You couldn't be more wrong. Draisaitl worked on his skating as instructed by the team. Being sent down had nothing to do with his jump to the NHL. His skating did and that was improved in the off season. As did Bouchard.
Maroon lost weight as instructed by the team.....in the off-season

Both Yakupov and JP ignored their instructed assignments. This is well known

You're literally blaming the organization for players refusing to do theirs homework. Nonsense

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Ha. You couldn't be more wrong. Draisaitl worked on his skating as instructed by the team. Being sent down had nothing to do with his jump to the NHL. His skating did and that was improved in the off season. As did Bouchard.
Maroon lost weight as instructed by the team.....in the off-season

Both Yakupov and JP ignored their instructed assignments. This is well known

You're literally blaming the organization for players refusing to do theirs homework. Nonsense

Yakupov had his issues, he was also emotionally abused by an idiot coach for an entire year. He might never have been great, but the Oilers aren't blameless there. You also don't have to apologize for them.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

The red flags should've immediately gone up when the Finnish GM passed on him. Who knows if Tkachuk would've stayed here but at least we likely would've gotten something useful for him.

Man that was such a coup by Zito. What a fantastic GM.

Chiarelli was floating to the podium in glee . All you can do now is laugh.