Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | Broberg, Holloway and Ceci are Gone, Do We Add Another D Before Camp?

[Mcnotloilersfan]

wrong board

 

[guymez]

Offensively, of course not. He’s an absolute offensive dynamo.

He is not by any means a defensive stalwart. He lacks intensity on the boards and in his own zone at times. His playoff performance was outstanding defensively as well, but it was a short sample size. He needs to carry a pairing on both ends of the ice to warrant 10 million + and he needs to do it consistently.

Whether he is “appreciated” or not, you simply can’t pay two defensemen 20+ million if both of them can’t carry their own pairing.

I’m a Bouch fan and asking for consistency on both ends of the ice is not outrageous by any means.

100%
Couldnt agree more.
This narrative that Bouchard was fine defensively before Ekholm arrived is pure fantasy.
Ekholm was a difference maker for Bouchard defensively.

Nurse obviously cant carry his pairing (his is a bad contract) and at approx $10M Bouchard had better be able to carry a pairing.
If he cant then the contract should reflect that.
This team obviously cant afford 2 ~$10M dmen that cant carry a pairing.

 

[North]

Fair point. Someone’s gotta get nurse going. Nurse weirdly has played his best hockey with Ethan Bear and Tyson Barrie. Doesn’t necessarily need to be a big name but he needs to play way better this year.

Maybe Emberson ends up being that guy.

I do like his scouting report and his underlying numbers on a bad team this past season.

 

[MessierII]

Maybe Emberson ends up being that guy.

I do like his scouting report and his underlying numbers on a bad team this past season.

I do too I think he could be a sneaky good grab. Either way at the deadline we are adding a guy.

 

[LTIR]

Nurse absolutely did not deserve that deal.

He was projecting to be a 50pt+ top pairing Dman who gets minimal PP time.
Deserved 7M+ for sure c9nsidering it was ALL UFA years. Rest was projection and banking on him improving a bit.

 

[Defsta]

He was projecting to be a 50pt+ top pairing Dman who gets minimal PP time.
Deserved 7M+ for sure c9nsidering it was ALL UFA years. Rest was projection and banking on him improving a bit.

Well, he was in right direction, but he fell off the cliff after he signed that contract.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Well... we had a very workmanlike D-core that "just" defended and got pucks on net and two elite-level first lines (arguably) for the 1st time.

The addition of Simpson to Mess and Anderson made for a team that was impossible to defend. All 6 guys were point-per-game (or more) in the playoffs.

Don't forget Tikkanen. He scored 31 that year.

 

[LTIR]

Well, he was in right direction, but he fell off the cliff after he signed that contract.

You win some you lose some.
Draisaitl could have also fallen off the cliff after signing the 8.5M per long term deal. Bouchard could do the same in a couple yrs.

 

[Pucklington]

What you are all going to whine about now Draisaitl is signed? This is going to be a very boring September...

 

[Defsta]

What you are all going to whine about now Draisaitl is signed? This is going to be a very boring September...

Prob going back to whining about our defence.

 

[Soundwave]

Well... we had a very workmanlike D-core that "just" defended and got pucks on net and two elite-level first lines (arguably) for the 1st time.

The addition of Simpson to Mess and Anderson made for a team that was impossible to defend. All 6 guys were point-per-game (or more) in the playoffs.

88 Oilers were unreal in the playoffs.

4-1 - Round 1
4-0 sweep of president's trophy Flames - Round 2
4-1 in Conference Finals
4-0 sweep in the Finals

That is complete domination.

Also game 4 of the Finals in Boston being cut short and relocated to Edmonton because of a power outage in the Boston Gardens is almost kinda spooky, almost like the hockey gods said that they wanted Gretzky's last game as an Oiler to be in Edmonton.

 

[bucks_oil]

88 Oilers were unreal in the playoffs.

4-1 - Round 1
4-0 sweep of president's trophy Flames - Round 2
4-1 in Conference Finals
4-0 sweep in the Finals

That is complete domination.

Also game 4 of the Finals in Boston being cut short and relocated to Edmonton because of a power outage in the Boston Gardens is almost kinda spooky, almost like the hockey gods said that they wanted Gretzky's last game as an Oiler to be in Edmonton.

Haha... I live in Boston now and they refer to it more like they were cursed. It's lovely!

 

[Tobias Kahun]

100%
Couldnt agree more.
This narrative that Bouchard was fine defensively before Ekholm arrived is pure fantasy.
Ekholm was a difference maker for Bouchard defensively.

Nurse obviously cant carry his pairing (his is a bad contract) and at approx $10M Bouchard had better be able to carry a pairing.
If he cant then the contract should reflect that.
This team obviously cant afford 2 ~$10M dmen that cant carry a pairing.

Bouchard wasn’t nearly as bad defensively as you think, then again you also think a player that plays top pairing minutes and succeeds in those minutes, wasn’t playing like a top pair D man.

 

[FlameChampion]

What you are all going to whine about now Draisaitl is signed? This is going to be a very boring September...

Who’s playing 4C

 

[Broberg Speed]

Not that I disagree with your action plan... but taking a deep breath. You must at least be happy today right?

Rest on your laurels for a day, it may help take a load off.

It feels real good.

 

[McJadeddog]

Prob going back to whining about our defence.

Well, that was gonna happen regardless of what happened with Drai, lol

 

[MessierII]

Who’s playing 4C

Hamblin or Philip

 

[K1984]

If the Oilers don't lock up Bouchard for 8 years, at whatever amount, something ain't right.

Making the money work for Draisaitl, McDavid and Bouchard the instant they can be extended... should be priority one.

Finding the correct RD partner for Nurse priority two. Even if that costs a bunch of draft capital. Don't settle, ask Paul Coffey who Nurse needs to turn it around, then the Oilers have to make an offer compelling enough to get the player as well as making the money work, and that may include a third team.

So far one task out of four has been taken care of. Bowman and company cannot rest on their laurels due to the events of the day.

Bouchard has agency in this as well, and if he and his agent view maximizing earnings as the priority then going 8 years probably isn't in his interest unless it is for a massive, massive pay day.

 

[TheNumber4]

Stauffer was talking a big game about the Oilers apparently taking development and analytics/scouting way more seriously. We’ll need it to fill out the roster in the future. We’ll see what they have in store.

Anything will be better than whatever the f*** Wright was doing.

Bowman actually mentioned it too later on in the show. Basically said stay tuned they’re gonna announce some hirings

I’m wondering if this is Bowman bringing in “his guys”. JJ already brought in his guys, now it’s time for Bowman to pull out the Rolodex.

Something related to player safety would be a good move too.

 

[TheNumber4]

I still think throwing Giordano a PTO for some regular season depth isn't the worst thing in the world. You could run

Ek Bouchard
Nurse Kulak
Giordano Emberson/Stetcher

In stretches where Stetcher or Emberson are struggling. His defensive metrics in Toronto were still solid.

You probably can't expect like 60+ games from him now, but the regular season is a long marathon. He's also likely still be good on the PK.

That’s the worst thing in the world. He tried to take McDavids leg out.

 

[foshizzle]

Offensively, of course not. He’s an absolute offensive dynamo.

He is not by any means a defensive stalwart. He lacks intensity on the boards and in his own zone at times. His playoff performance was outstanding defensively as well, but it was a short sample size. He needs to carry a pairing on both ends of the ice to warrant 10 million + and he needs to do it consistently.

Whether he is “appreciated” or not, you simply can’t pay two defensemen 20+ million if both of them can’t carry their own pairing.

I’m a Bouch fan and asking for consistency on both ends of the ice is not outrageous by any means.

How do you know what his “intensity” is?

A lot of what you said is your “perceived” notion of him is. In reality, he is one of the best zone entry defenders in the league. He is one of the best zone exit defenders in the league. He is excellent at puck retrievals. He is excellent playing traditional zone defence. The notion that Ekholm carries him is ridiculous as Ekholm was considered a d man on the backside of his career. Playing with Bouchard, he is hitting career highs in the everything. Bouchard carries an 88% xGAR (meaning he measures in the 88th percentile for d men playing his role across all metrics). Ekholm is 82%. He had better defensive metrics than Hughes and Makar last year. To say Bouchard can’t play both ends of the ice is completely not supported by actual facts and numbers.

Correct. Nurse deserved the 9M per deal coming out of his last RFA year more than Bouchard does right now.
Nurse was looking like a legit all around top pairing Dman at that time putting up big numbers for someone who got no PP time.
Bouchard still has 2 more RFA yrs after next season before he burns his UFA yrs.

Nurse is not a comparable. Makar, Heiskenen and Hughes are better comparables for Bouchard.

Hahahahahaha what? Stopped reading there, completely ridiculous post

July 1 for McDavid.

July 1 , 2025 for McDavid and Jan 1, 2025 for Bouchard.

 

[Spawn]

July 1 , 2025 for McDavid and Jan 1, 2025 for Bouchard.

Since Bouchard’s last contract was a 2 year deal he could sign an extension at any point. Even today if they wanted.

Jan 1st would be if he had signed a one year deal earlier this summer.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

I mean Holland scouted based on feelings or whether you played for Detroit or not, just like Chia and Boston

We were so poorly run

Don’t forget the NHL Guide and Record Book.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

What you are all going to whine about now Draisaitl is signed? This is going to be a very boring September...

Matthews luring McD to the Leafs

 

[PuckG]

How do you know what his “intensity” is?

A lot of what you said is your “perceived” notion of him is. In reality, he is one of the best zone entry defenders in the league. He is one of the best zone exit defenders in the league. He is excellent at puck retrievals. He is excellent playing traditional zone defence. The notion that Ekholm carries him is ridiculous as Ekholm was considered a d man on the backside of his career. Playing with Bouchard, he is hitting career highs in the everything. Bouchard carries an 88% xGAR (meaning he measures in the 88th percentile for d men playing his role across all metrics). Ekholm is 82%. He had better defensive metrics than Hughes and Makar last year. To say Bouchard can’t play both ends of the ice is completely not supported by actual facts and numbers.

And yet, he is guilty of not closing the gap to his man quick enough, missing his mark, shying away from contact and losing board battles. Outright looking at statistics isn’t the only modality of assessing a defenceman. That pairing was as good as it was because it’s a perfect fit.

Demanding accountability on both ends of the ice consistently and for extended periods of time is not an outrageous ask from someone you intend to pay 10+ million for.

What I don’t understand is how you find anything I’m saying to be outrageous, yet here you are.