Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | All Star Break Edition

[LTIR]

I'd still love to see more of a Holloway-McLeod-Foegele line. If you can get a very fast line like that going then a top 6 winger addition is an obvious choice.

Konecny would probably my top target if he was available especially with him having a 2nd year left on his deal. I'd give up 2 1sts and a prospect not on the roster for 50% retention. Would basically fill a spot for next year that you don't need to add at the deadline. Not really sure why the Flyers would deal him though.

Guentzel, Tarasenko or Jenner would be my next targets depending on the price. I'm becoming less and less inclined to look for a Ceci upgrade whereas I previously was. The market of RHD outside of Tanev (who obviously carries injury risk and is starting to slow down) is very marginal upgrades on Ceci. Nurse is also playing very well with him this year so I don't know if its worth finding him a new partner.

Holloway-McLeod-Foegele line sounds great but it would bump Perry down to 4th line and Brown into PB. Not that I have an issue with any of that.

Make it so!!

Jonathan Toews for league minimum + McDavid's all-star winnings.

He was washed up last season and is likely much worse now.

 

[guymez]

You do not want him

Well...he just went on injured reserve yesterday.
In any event as it was pointed out already there really isnt room for both Maroon and Perry and Im good with Perry.

 

[Sanchez]

Go get Guentzel or Konecny!

 

[K1984]

I don't know how I feel about Eberle as a fit. If other options are too expensive or we miss out on them then I'd be ok with him as a backup plan, but definitely not first option.

 

[mkatcherin00]

I don't know how I feel about Eberle as a fit. If other options are too expensive or we miss out on them then I'd be ok with him as a backup plan, but definitely not first option.

He wouldn't be the first option, but depth never hurts in the playoffs after what our top 6 did against vegas

 

[CornKicker]

Whether he comes back is likely irrelevant as he is due a QO in the next 6 months. There seems no way the trial can possibly finish by then, and I just cannot see Philly giving him a QO with all the publicity. Hence he will be a UFA if he ever comes back to the league. Not something you trade for.

you do if you want to dump campbell and then you are free and clear of cap space

 

[guymez]

Bruce Curlock on Borberg and other players....

 

[OilerTyler]

All of this talk of adding another RW after already adding Perry makes me think the Oilers are going to dump Brown so that his bonus isn't on our cap next season.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

All of this talk of adding another RW after already adding Perry makes me think the Oilers are going to dump Brown so that his bonus isn't on our cap next season.

There's, as we understand it, No way to do this.

 

[K1984]

He wouldn't be the first option, but depth never hurts in the playoffs after what our top 6 did against vegas

That's part of why I'm not sure if he's a fit. Our problems against Vegas were related to getting killed on the walls (Yamamoto especially), and I see Eberle as a guy that is at risk of being killed on the walls (at least he did in the 2017 playoffs that resulted in him being run out of town).

His game has made strides in the playoffs since, but I'm still not necessarily convinced he's our guy.

 

[OilerTyler]

There's, as we understand it, No way to do this.

I haven't found a source that confirms that though.

And I have yet to find an example of a player (including ELCs and 35+ contracts) that had the cap hit from their performance bonuses stay with their original team after being traded mid-season. I don't doubt that the Oilers are on the hook for paying the money, but it could be like a signing bonus in that a player can be traded after and the entire cap hit moves with him.

What I have found is an old reddit post that claims Florida took on the cap hit of Jagr's performance bonus (which he hit with NJ) when he was traded in 2015.

 

[Jet Walters]

Adding a 2nd line RW would probably bump Janmark or Ryan off the 4th line, with Foegele moving back to 3LW and Holloway to 4th line LW or C. Ideally Janmark and Ryan are our 13th and 14th forwards going into the playoffs, so that would mean adding a bottom 6 center as well as a top 6 RW. Dowd and Konecny would be ideal as they can take Janmark and Ryan’s pk roles and are much better 5v5 players.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I haven't found a source that confirms that though.

And I have yet to find an example of a player (including ELCs and 35+ contracts) that had the cap hit from their performance bonuses stay with their original team after being traded mid-season.

What I have found is an old reddit post that claims Florida took on the cap hit of Jagr's performance bonus (which he hit with NJ) when he was traded in 2015.

The source is a contract from a decade ago? Yeah, they can't.

 

[OilerTyler]

The source is a contract from a decade ago? Yeah, they can't.

It's still the same CBA

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It's still the same CBA

From a Decade ago? I'm not so sure, I'd have to look that up though.

Nevermind, they extended in because Covid, still probably can't really happen in reality.

Might be a waste of time, man power, resources and assets to try and get it to work.

 

[guymez]

Curlock on Campbell..."never makes the same save the same way twice. It creates some chaos.
If it were a choice between Pickard and Campbell I would pick Pickard."

Interesting quote and IMO it nicely encapsulates Campbells game...his game is erratic.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Curlock on Campbell..."never makes the same save the same way twice. It creates some chaos.
If it were a choice between Pickard and Campbell I would pick Pickard."

Interesting quote and IMO it nicely encapsulates Campbells game...his game is erratic.

Damn that's a hell of quote.

 

[Soundwave]

Curlock on Campbell..."never makes the same save the same way twice. It creates some chaos.
If it were a choice between Pickard and Campbell I would pick Pickard."

Interesting quote and IMO it nicely encapsulates Campbells game...his game is erratic.

Kinda makes you wonder if it's so obvious, why or how our scouting department and manager didn't see that. Because I doubt he just developed that overnight.

 

[Duke74]

Curlock on Campbell..."never makes the same save the same way twice. It creates some chaos.
If it were a choice between Pickard and Campbell I would pick Pickard."

Interesting quote and IMO it nicely encapsulates Campbells game...his game is erratic.

Like Elon Musks behavior.

 

[K1984]

I haven't found a source that confirms that though.

And I have yet to find an example of a player (including ELCs and 35+ contracts) that had the cap hit from their performance bonuses stay with their original team after being traded mid-season. I don't doubt that the Oilers are on the hook for paying the money, but it could be like a signing bonus in that a player can be traded after and the entire cap hit moves with him.

What I have found is an old reddit post that claims Florida took on the cap hit of Jagr's performance bonus (which he hit with NJ) when he was traded in 2015.

It depends on who pays the cash and when.

In Brown's case he was paid the cash when his bonus hit, but its possible to structure deals so that the bonus wouldn't be payable until a later date, in which case his new team would be paying the cash and they would eat the hit.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I haven't found a source that confirms that though.

And I have yet to find an example of a player (including ELCs and 35+ contracts) that had the cap hit from their performance bonuses stay with their original team after being traded mid-season. I don't doubt that the Oilers are on the hook for paying the money, but it could be like a signing bonus in that a player can be traded after and the entire cap hit moves with him.

What I have found is an old reddit post that claims Florida took on the cap hit of Jagr's performance bonus (which he hit with NJ) when he was traded in 2015.

This article says otherwise.

Panthers get Jagr from Devils for two picks

The Florida Panthers have acquired five-time NHL scoring champion Jaromir Jagr from the New Jersey Devils for a second-round draft pick in the 2015 NHL draft and a conditional third-round draft pick in the 2016 draft.

www.espn.com

“
The Panthers will pick up the full prorated remainder of Jagr's $3.5 million salary, but the Devils are responsible for his $2 million games-played bonus, which he has already achieved, Lamoriello confirmed to ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun.”

 

[OilerTyler]

This article says otherwise.

Panthers get Jagr from Devils for two picks

The Florida Panthers have acquired five-time NHL scoring champion Jaromir Jagr from the New Jersey Devils for a second-round draft pick in the 2015 NHL draft and a conditional third-round draft pick in the 2016 draft.

www.espn.com

That article says that the Devils are on the hook for paying his bonus, NOT that the cap hit will stay with them. Like I said, I don't doubt that the Oilers will have to pay Brown the money. The question is whether the cap hit can be moved still. I wish I could dig up old salary cap information to see if the reddit post above is accurate but it's impossible to find.

I think if the cap hit stayed with the original team we would be seeing a lot more 35+ contracts that are almost entirely bonuses so that those players could be traded at the deadline (with a 775k cap hit) for massive assets.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Curlock on Campbell..."never makes the same save the same way twice. It creates some chaos.
If it were a choice between Pickard and Campbell I would pick Pickard."

Interesting quote and IMO it nicely encapsulates Campbells game...his game is erratic.

It's a quote that's been used before to describe Campbell. Notably Brian Lawton who said he would not have made the big money play on Campbell.

Pretty clear watching Campbell that he's a player drafted on athletic ability but over time his game would go through elevator rides of play. He's not a good technical goalie but crushing it further is a weak mental aptitude that unravels.

 

[guymez]

Damn that's a hell of quote.

It really is and it accurately describes what we saw with the Oilers.
He may have a good game or 2 but you never had the sense that he was a goalie that played a style that the team could actually rely on.

The really troubling part for me is what in the world was Holland and his underlings thinking that motivated them to not only sign Campbell for big money but also to include term.
Massive failure.

It's a quote that's been used before to describe Campbell. Notably Brian Lawton who said he would not have made the big money play on Campbell.

Pretty clear watching Campbell that he's a player drafted on athletic ability but over time his game would go through elevator rides of play. He's not a good technical goalie but crushing it further is a weak mental aptitude that unravels.

Absolutely.
When you couple his game with his weak mental ineptitude its a fatal combination.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It really is and it accurately describes what we saw with the Oilers.
He may have a good game or 2 but you never had the sense that he was a goalie that played a style that the team could actually rely on.

The really troubling part for me is what in the world was Holland and his underlings thinking that motivated them to not only sign Campbell for big money but also to include term.
Massive failure.

Holland is old and will still fall into the sunk cost. It's actually "good" the Oilers can't bring him up because of the cap. Kinda saves them from themselves.