Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: “I’d buy that for a dollar!!!” Edition

[Darkwinter]

I know Holland like to keep his cards close to his chest, but damn this trade season is so up in the air and can go either way.
I haven't the foggiest F@#$ on what's going to happen Friday

 

[McDoused]

Desharnais is going to get paid this off-season, good for him. I wonder if they makes Walker more moveable as well?

I loved seeler at 800k. Seeler at 3.33 x 4 years is one of the worst contracts in the NHL.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

The NHL Edge stats are pretty cool.

Here's Derek Ryan(dark line) vs. Dowd(grey line):

Is some GM actually going to be dumb enough to give up a 1st or 2nd for a guy that's slower than Ryan and in the bottom 1% of the entire league in offensive zone time? The only thing Dowd brings in an unsustainable shooting percentage.

Not sure about your conclusions comparing Ryan and Dowd.

Comparing Capitals and Oilers zone time differences is significant. Capitals have 44% defensive zone time while Edmonton is at 38.4%: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Comparisons.

Dowd's offensive zone time is largely irrelevant as he is a defensive specialist which is reflected in his zone time. Hockey Reference shows him at 89.8% defensive zone starts which is massive. His shooting % last year was 21% with 13 goals and year before, 11% on 11 goals.

Another conclusion might be Dowd is an elite defensive specialist who is trusted for hard ice time and match ups but is also able to keep his head above water offensively. Offensive zone time measure alone can distort against players whose role and deployment is goal suppression.

On a team with -33 goal share, Dowd is +8 despite his zone starts and deployment. And $50,000 difference in salary.

 

[Jet Walters]

Vinny only played 2 seasons. He getting a small marginal upgrade in payday.

This is his chance to set himself up financially for life. Someone will offer him 2-3 million per as a free agent. He might have priced himself off the team, but if he stays he’d be doing us a solid and taking a discount.

 

[oXo Cube]

Not an expert on the player but that contract for Seeler doesn't look justifiable.

I don't think Desharnais will be playing for the Oilers next year.

 

[FlameChampion]

Desharnais is going to get paid this off-season, good for him. I wonder if they makes Walker more moveable as well?

Wish Oilers were more proactive on re-signing guys like Desharnais, Pickard etc assuming they were willing to resign earlier for lower deals.

I am guessing Desharnais will get paid more than are expecting. Lots of bottom pairing guys get paid.

Its also part of the reason when you hear Ceci is a cap dump is pretty dumb.

 

[BlackDogg]

All I see so far is that they re-signed mike smith for goal.

 

[Paralyzer]

Not an expert on the player but that contract for Seeler doesn't look justifiable.

I don't think Desharnais will be playing for the Oilers next year.

Doubt it. I think we see him re-signed for 900k for 2 years. Then if he keeps improving, could be in the 1.5-2M range. He's been great, but I can't see us overpaying him.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Vinny only played 2 seasons. He getting a small marginal upgrade in payday.

Then why hasn't he re-signed? He's going to get paid. Probably $2.5M-ish for 3 or 4 years. The Oilers won't pay him that.

 

[McSpecial DraiBlend]

Agreed. To Replace Brown ffs.

Can't trade for him again within a certain timeframe I heard.

 

[AddyTheWrath]

 

[Canovin]

Then why hasn't he re-signed? He's going to get paid. Probably $2.5M-ish for 3 or 4 years. The Oilers won't pay him that.

Cause Oilers have other priority. He's probably getting a 1 year show me deal and then the 2.5Mavv deal

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Cause Oilers have other priority. He's probably getting a 1 year show me deal and then the 2.5Mavv deal

You understand he's a UFA right?

 

[Canovin]

You understand he's a UFA right?

Yeah I know. He's not getting 2.5M+avv next season anywhere lol

 

[McDNicks17]

Not sure about your conclusions comparing Ryan and Dowd.

Comparing Capitals and Oilers zone time differences is significant. Capitals have 44% defensive zone time while Edmonton is at 38.4%: NHL EDGE Puck and Player Tracking Statistics - Comparisons.

Dowd's offensive zone time is largely irrelevant as he is a defensive specialist which is reflected in his zone time. Hockey Reference shows him at 89.8% defensive zone starts which is massive. His shooting % last year was 21% with 13 goals and year before, 11% on 11 goals.

Another conclusion might be Dowd is an elite defensive specialist who is trusted for hard ice time and match ups but is also able to keep his head above water offensively. Offensive zone time measure alone can distort against players whose role and deployment is goal suppression.

On a team with -33 goal share, Dowd is +8 despite his zone starts and deployment.

That's how you end up with a bottom six where at best you hope they do nothing. Boyd Gordons PKing at 5v5.

The only thing keeping Dowd's head above water is his bonkers PDO.

Also having the worst offensive zone time 4th line is hockey might have something to do with the Caps having a worse offensive zone time than the Oilers.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

That's how you end up with a bottom six where at best you hope they do nothing. Boyd Gordons PKing at 5v5.

The only thing keeping Dowd's head above water is his bonkers PDO.

Also having the worst offensive zone time 4th line is hockey might have something to do with the Caps having a worse offensive zone time than the Oilers.

Think your conclusion is faulty.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Yeah I know. He's not getting 2.5M+avv next season anywhere lol

Nick Seeler is looking like he's getting over $3M per for 4 years.

Desharnais is absolutely starring at those kind of dollars. A giant defenseman who plays very physical, doesn't take many penalties and is an elite PKer, someone will pay him.

 

[oXo Cube]

Nick Seeler is looking like he's getting over $3M per for 4 years.

Desharnais is absolutely staring at those kind of dollars. A giant defenseman who plays very physical, doesn't take many penalties and is an elite PKer, someone will pay him.

I think this is correct.

I think that team will also very quickly be complaining about that contract for all the same reasons we complain about Ceci.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Nick Seeler is looking like he's getting over $3M per for 4 years.

Desharnais is absolutely staring at those kind of dollars. A giant defenseman who plays very physical, doesn't take many penalties and is an elite PKer, someone will pay him.

That's the contract and player comp to keep an eye on.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Carrier, Walker (is an UPGRADE), Chychrun (even as a LHD), Jensen, TVR (on the low end). etc.

You have been spiraling for a while now. Assuming the team will somehow trade for Jarred Smithson and Brandon Manning, and they slap themselves on the back.

Chill the f*** out. Let things Actually happen, before you declare everything a f***ing failure.

lol in what world is Duclair and Edmundson Smithson and Manning?

Carrier not available.
Walker could be available, so one.
Chychrun came out and said the rumor about him not liking Ottawa is BS.
Jensen is awful this year, he has taken a massive step back and his contract won't age well.
TVR is a bad bottom pairing D on a bad team this year, also not an upgrade.

I get we hate Ceci but looking at worse players as options is wild.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

 

[Canovin]

Nick Seeler is looking like he's getting over $3M per for 4 years.

Desharnais is absolutely staring at those kind of dollars. A giant defenseman who plays very physical, doesn't take many penalties and is an elite PKer, someone will pay him.

Nick Seeler was an UFA and got extended 775k avv x 2 years (2022-2024). You're panicking for no reason lol

 

[Faelko]

Then why hasn't he re-signed? He's going to get paid. Probably $2.5M-ish for 3 or 4 years. The Oilers won't pay him that.

And they can’t honestly, that’s too much for a 3rd pairing Dman on a cap strapped team.

 

[CycloneSweep]

And they can’t honestly, that’s too much for a 3rd pairing Dman on a cap strapped team.

Not unless they think he is the real Ceci replacement

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

And they can’t honestly, that’s too much for a 3rd pairing Dman on a cap strapped team.

I agree completely. If he wants to sign closer to $1M, there's a conversation. That said, I expect Vinny to go explore the market.