Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes miracles
That's true, but when both parties are up against it, sometimes those prices become alot more flexible. Hopefully some stuff starts happening.
Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread: “I’d buy that for a dollar!!!” Edition
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Going to be a lot of disappointed guys on here when we grab a couple of vanilla players
McDrai
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Ekholm wasn’t exactly a vanilla player last year. The X factor is that this could be Holland’s last year as Oilers GM before he passes the torch. If I was in his position I would put all of the chips on the table.
FlameChampion
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brentashton
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I get what you’re saying but ownership meddling should start and stop at the management ranks.
If, as an owner, you feel the need to insert yourself into the micro level machinations of player transactions, except for those truly occasional, generational level players, then as an owner you are an abysmal failure in hiring management personnel to run your business or to pull the chute on the person if it has to happen.
Chiarelli was an example of the latter - he never should have had the rope he had.
joestevens29
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Interesting listening to Lawton yesterday and he mentioned Vancouver has also tried to talk to Lindholm about a contract but it went no where.
Mentioned between that and his poor play it's not a surprise to him that they are already looking to flip him
Mentioned between that and his poor play it's not a surprise to him that they are already looking to flip him
brentashton
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Hearing on GYB today that they heard Lindholm to Boston and Boston and Van move picks to Pens for Guentzel to Van. The original move for Lindholm was all part of a power play to act as insurance and/or pressure to get EP to make a decision. Suggesting that Lindholm isn’t fitting in on the quick fly as well, which is influencing things. Who knows. One thing for sure, Jim Rutherford is a mover and shaker.
Ritchie Valens
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I wholeheartedly agree, my post was made in jest as those were all franchise-torpedoing trades and extensions that made zero sense.
If I was a GM and the owner pulled nixed a trade in me, I’d give him the keys to the office and my business cell phone and say “You do it then” and waltz out.
joestevens29
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Wonder if PIT ends up retaining on both guys to make the deal easier for both.
Taken from the old thread...
@Roof Daddy
"You’ve got your work cut out for you explaining how Guentzel would be a big mistake. PPG in the playoffs (34 goals in 58 games). Over the last 6 seasons has 385 points in 381 games (181 goals). The guy just knows how to find open ice. And he has a cup ring. And he’s still in his prime. I don’t think there’s a better player available this deadline. If you have to trade multiple 1sts plus prospects you do it and don’t think twice."
I generally hate trading a haul for rentals especially ones that have zero chance of re-signing. You might strengthen your win this season window but you really narrow it to just this season especially in this case with it costing not one but two prime assets. Also, Guentzel is coming off an injury so that's a concern as well.
I don't know, I don't think the Oilers need a top line forward. They can sure use some forward depth but this seems like a heavy price for a luxury.
Henrique I prefer for a few reasons. He has the C/W versatility to give the Oilers multiple options and he wouldn't come at near the cost. In fact, I think it's possible that they can get him without giving up a 1st. Something like a 2nd+3rd+3rd or 4th for the 2nd retention while Guentzel will likely cost 1st+Holloway+other prospect or pick at minimum.
I also think there's a slight possibility that they can re-sign Henrique for a few years if the fit works with Foegele coming off the books and him being Canadian.
@Roof Daddy
"You’ve got your work cut out for you explaining how Guentzel would be a big mistake. PPG in the playoffs (34 goals in 58 games). Over the last 6 seasons has 385 points in 381 games (181 goals). The guy just knows how to find open ice. And he has a cup ring. And he’s still in his prime. I don’t think there’s a better player available this deadline. If you have to trade multiple 1sts plus prospects you do it and don’t think twice."
I generally hate trading a haul for rentals especially ones that have zero chance of re-signing. You might strengthen your win this season window but you really narrow it to just this season especially in this case with it costing not one but two prime assets. Also, Guentzel is coming off an injury so that's a concern as well.
I don't know, I don't think the Oilers need a top line forward. They can sure use some forward depth but this seems like a heavy price for a luxury.
Henrique I prefer for a few reasons. He has the C/W versatility to give the Oilers multiple options and he wouldn't come at near the cost. In fact, I think it's possible that they can get him without giving up a 1st. Something like a 2nd+3rd+3rd or 4th for the 2nd retention while Guentzel will likely cost 1st+Holloway+other prospect or pick at minimum.
I also think there's a slight possibility that they can re-sign Henrique for a few years if the fit works with Foegele coming off the books and him being Canadian.
Lambasting him for what, wanting to get off that sinking ship? Seems like he's done his job on the ice this year, and has been pretty good for the Flames overall. And he makes less that 5M/year. They have no reason to be bitching.
A portion of HFOil is like this too.
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes miracles
Gross, they can do a lot better
I wonder if this might affect the availability of Jensen or TVR
Parayko or Zub are the only upgrade on Ceci I want and they're not available. So better off just using our assets on forwards.
Henrique is most likely an Oiler this weekend. Now we need 2 more impactful forwards.
Holloway, McLeod, Foegele, Ryan, Brown don't move the needle most nights.
Henrique is most likely an Oiler this weekend. Now we need 2 more impactful forwards.
Holloway, McLeod, Foegele, Ryan, Brown don't move the needle most nights.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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Lmao the Devils are a mess. You're hopelessly out of it. Good thing you waited so long to do anything of worth.
oilers4life5
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Me and my friend have done exactly that starting 10 years ago. We got fed up and put our money where our mouth was. We use draft guides to make our picks live with the Oilers. Overall we always do better in the first round, second round is a wash. 3-5 rounds they have done better. We did better is the latest rounds. The first round is the most disappointing we would have had so many good players.
Right?
Also you gave him an NTC. You literally granted him the right to do this in negotiations.
If you didn't want him to have this power, you shouldn't have signed that contract. Dragging him through the media and pouting that he's exercising his properly bargained for right to exercise his NTC is absurd.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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I’ve seen some people say that they don’t want to add a D because we can’t get a Ekholm level jump up from Ceci, and I think that’s crazy.
Would I love to upgrade the position hugely? Of course. But if the best we can do with the players available is a small upgrade, I still want it.
So if you think walker (or someone like that) is a slight upgrade, then go get him. In my opinion Ceci is the weak link and needs to be improved even if only a little bit.
And we can still do this and go bigger fish hunting for a forward.
Would I love to upgrade the position hugely? Of course. But if the best we can do with the players available is a small upgrade, I still want it.
So if you think walker (or someone like that) is a slight upgrade, then go get him. In my opinion Ceci is the weak link and needs to be improved even if only a little bit.
And we can still do this and go bigger fish hunting for a forward.
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes miracles
Honestly, Jack Campbell could solve everything and he would be SO cheap to acquire.
CantHaveTkachev
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McDNicks17
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The NHL Edge stats are pretty cool.
Here's Derek Ryan(dark line) vs. Dowd(grey line):
Is some GM actually going to be dumb enough to give up a 1st or 2nd for a guy that's slower than Ryan and in the bottom 1% of the entire league in offensive zone time? The only thing Dowd brings in an unsustainable shooting percentage.
Here's Derek Ryan(dark line) vs. Dowd(grey line):
Is some GM actually going to be dumb enough to give up a 1st or 2nd for a guy that's slower than Ryan and in the bottom 1% of the entire league in offensive zone time? The only thing Dowd brings in an unsustainable shooting percentage.
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