Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "Looking for a trade to happen, making stops along the way."

[LTIR]

Because he is.

Ask Carolina fans.

 

[McDNicks17]

We can do something better than Strome AND get strome.
There are more than one hole to fill on this team

We don't have the cap space to throw $3M at someone that might end up on the 4th line.

 

[Mr Positive]

This. Give me RNH or Hall all day every day over that Hyman contract.

He's a glorified 3rd winger

Nuge is legit 2nd line player who plays on all special teams.

Hall is still a top line player. I also feel he would give everything he had on the ice to win a cup in Edmonton.

Nuge is the same age as Hyman and there is no proof that players like Nuge age better. Both him and Hyman are wingers who will be 3rd liners very soon.

But at least with Hyman, it's someone new to try out with McDavid. RNH is awful with McDavid. Our team views chemistry with McDavid as a major factor in all its decisions. Personally if I had to pick who gets the awful contract, it is Hyman, not RNH

 

[Mr Positive]

I would love Hyman but 6x6? Hell no.

I hope this gives some of our own fans perspective on RNH. When it comes to keeping RNH, there are biases at play. People are fearful of losing what we have, because the perception is that to build your team, you need to keep what you have or else risk taking a step back. People are also biased to keep RNH because of his history here, and how you remember him.

However 6x6 for Hyman is no worse than 6x6 for RNH. We just have more clarity on Hyman because we have no biases in judging him.

 

[KingKhron]

Here’s my off-season prediction:

Tatar signed for 1 year
Hyman signs for 6x6
Nuge walks
Smith signs for 2 years, 2.5mil per
Koskinen returns as the back-up
Larsson signs 4x4
Neal bought out

That’s a wrap.

Sounds more like what’s a few hours after eating a wrap.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Ask Carolina fans.

I'd rather not. It's like asking Oiler fans for their opinion on Hall it Nuge.

 

[LTIR]

I'd rather not. It's like asking Oiler fans for their opinion on Hall it Nuge.

Yup, look beyond the stat line and Hamilton is not a top pairing Dman let alone be a #1.

 

[LTIR]

We don't have the cap space to throw $3M at someone that might end up on the 4th line.

We actually do have the cap space this year. Even if we didnt you buyout Neal and free up the 3M.

You acquire Strome if the cost are the fringe NHLer names like Lagesson or Jones being thrown is the cost. You pass if CHI asks for Bouchard or Yama.
We may laugh at these names being involved but expect the same from CHI fans if you say Jones or Benson is a fair value.

 

[Smartguy]

We actually do have the cap space this year. Even if we didnt you buyout Neal and free up the 3M.

You acquire Strome if the cost are the fringe NHLer names like Lagesson or Jones being thrown is the cost. You pass if CHI asks for Bouchard or Yama.
We may laugh at these names being involved but expect the same from CHI fans if you say Jones or Benson is a fair value.

Agreed Strome would be a great pickup for cheap just to try through the lineup for a year. Not to mention him and Mcdavid are very good friends.

Holland did say he was going to meet with his core, so probably mostly Mcdavid, and see what they thought they needed to help make this team better. On the chance that I believe strome and Mcdavid are good friends, and Strome has fallen out of favor their, I could see Mcdavid advocating for a deal.

 

[McDNicks17]

We actually do have the cap space this year. Even if we didnt you buyout Neal and free up the 3M.

You acquire Strome if the cost are the fringe NHLer names like Lagesson or Jones being thrown is the cost. You pass if CHI asks for Bouchard or Yama.
We may laugh at these names being involved but expect the same from CHI fans if you say Jones or Benson is a fair value.

That cap is going to go quick. Before re-signs, you're pretty much looking at needing three top six wingers, 2/3rd of a third line, three top4 defensemen and a starting goalie.

Strome is maybe worth looking at later on if Holland strikes out hard and has some cap leftover.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Yup, look beyond the stat line and Hamilton is not a top pairing Dman let alone be a #1.

I think sometimes people forget the stat line is still a very important measure.

Draisaitl would suck if he had 80 fewer points per year...

 

[LTIR]

I think sometimes people forget the stat line is still a very important measure.

Draisaitl would suck if he had 80 fewer points per year...

Yes, but then you have Barrie and RNH with good numbers but Barrie is no top pairing Dman despite his TOI+ production and Nuge isnt worth 5M per.
EDM fans know it but other fan bases may not

 

[NotAVacuumSalesman]

Strome could be a late bloomer like his brother Ryan, but the issue is that we need players that are in the win now mode.

I don't think Dylan is prepared for it. Guy looks content on being able to play hockey, win or lose.

The better question is... does he move the needle in terms of compete and ability to battle when it matters? To me the answer is not right now, but he could be that player in the future. I'm not sure if fans are patient enough for him to be an impact player. He's only 24, still young and has a lot to improve on(especially his skating, fking yikes ).

We wouldn't have this conversation say if he was 1.5M but 3M for a soft, vanilla player. I'm just done with passengers on the team. If Chicago trades him, this will be the 2nd time that a team gave up on him. Let that sink in.

 

[Anarchism]

Strome could be a late bloomer like his brother Ryan, but the issue is that we need players that are in the win now mode.

I don't think Dylan is prepared for it. Guy looks content on being able to play hockey, win or lose.

The better question is... does he move the needle in terms of compete and ability to battle when it matters? To me the answer is not right now, but he could be that player in the future. I'm not sure if the fans are patient to wait for him to be an impact player. He's only 24, still young and has a lot to improve on(especially his skating, fking yikes ).

We wouldn't have this conversation say if he was 1.5M but 3M for a soft, vanilla player. I'm just done with passengers on the team. If Chicago trades him, this will be the 2nd time that a team gave up on him. Let that sink in.

Slow
He seems unwilling or uninterested alot of the time.
Next stop scrap heap maybe Europe.

 

[Anarchism]

Really having trouble finding much video on Filip Berglund.
Whats there has me thinking about him.
NOt sure his offensive ability will translate all that well at the NHL level.
But i think he can be a defensive defenseman that can transition the puck really very well.
Switch him to LD. Change his mentality a bit and restrict him from offensive zone starts as much as reasonable.
I dont think he is that far away either if you do that.
He has this shot from the point that seems very deceptive and gets through alot and think everyone including his coaches seem to focus on this. But what video i can see he looks excellent in his zone and can skate makes good decisions and can headman the puck.
There is something here. its just not what we think it is.
Maybe he can become what Larsson started out to be.

 

[XXIV97]

Nuge is the same age as Hyman and there is no proof that players like Nuge age better. Both him and Hyman are wingers who will be 3rd liners very soon.

But at least with Hyman, it's someone new to try out with McDavid. RNH is awful with McDavid. Our team views chemistry with McDavid as a major factor in all its decisions. Personally if I had to pick who gets the awful contract, it is Hyman, not RNH

Hyman has also suffered more major injuries than Nuge. In April 2019, he tore his ACL. At the beginning of this season, he stated he is "trying to find a new normal" with his knee due to daily soreness. Then he sprained his MCL this year.

 

[Patch101]

Hyman is this years big fa mistake signing, no doubt

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Yes, but then you have Barrie and RNH with good numbers but Barrie is no top pairing Dman despite his TOI+ production and Nuge isnt worth 5M per.
EDM fans know it but other fan bases may not

No the issue is fan bases being too hard on their own players when the team underachievs.

Barrie for example isn't a #1 dman but I bet a lot of teams see him as a #2 on their top pair right now.

There will also be several teams who will pay the Nuge if we don't.

 

[Zaddy]

OEL is nightmare fuel.

One of the worst defensemen in the league last year and he's got $50M left on his contract.

How does OEL's numbers compare to Barrie's over the last couple of seasons? Genuinely curious.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Because he is.

No he's not. I hope you are joking

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Dazed and Confused]

One name I'm liking as a Nuge replacement is Tierney.

Seems like he's on the outs with Sens fans, and while he is bland AF, for 3.5 mil he'll likely cover a lot of the roles RNH brought this past season: look like a functional passenger on the LW with McDavid or Drai, or centre a line that doesn't get caved defensively (nor create a ton offensively) when McDrai are together. It kooks like the hopeful asking price is a mid-round pick, so something like Marody/Kahun/Jones and a 3rd or 4th could cover the spread.

My hope would be to get something like him and say Rekall (even if he costs you a first), which would add two top 6'ers for nearly the same price as RNH and Kahun this season.

Then round out the forwards by signing a defensive 4th line centre like Sheahan, Zajac, Sutter, Glendening, Richardson, Thompson, Nash; or Bonino or Cizikas if you're willing to spend a little more. (or add someone like Grant into the Rakell trade... Basically there's a lot in the way of options out there).


Tierney-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Rakell-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
Benson-McLeod-Neal
Kassian-Sheahan-Archibald

 

[SDig14]

Whoever is trading for OEL is praying that he's been basically pulling a Blake Griffin. The guy didn't dunk the ball for like 2 years, played like shit on an awful team just for force a buyout. Goes to Brooklyn and all of a sudden doesn't suck anymore.

OEL is younger and probably had a higher overall peak as well. Bit the contract stinks and the underlying numbers the last few years are just as bad.

So has he given up on a team going nowhere for the rest of his career? Or is he just in a steep decline?

 

[McDNicks17]

One name I'm liking as a Nuge replacement is Tierney.

Seems like he's on the outs with Sens fans, and while he is bland AF, for 3.5 mil he'll likely cover a lot of the roles RNH brought this past season: look like a functional passenger on the LW with McDavid or Drai, or centre a line that doesn't get caved defensively (nor create a ton offensively) when McDrai are together. It kooks like the hopeful asking price is a mid-round pick, so something like Marody/Kahun/Jones and a 3rd or 4th could cover the spread.

My hope would be to get something like him and say Rekall (even if he costs you a first), which would add two top 6'ers for nearly the same price as RNH and Kahun this season.

Then round out the forwards by signing a defensive 4th line centre like Sheahan, Zajac, Sutter, Glendening, Richardson, Thompson, Nash; or Bonino or Cizikas if you're willing to spend a little more. (or add someone like Grant into the Rakell trade... Basically there's a lot in the way of options out there).


Tierney-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Rakell-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
Benson-McLeod-Neal
Kassian-Sheahan-Archibald

The team is doomed if the bottom six looks like that, IMO.

 

[McShogun99]

Whoever is trading for OEL is praying that he's been basically pulling a Blake Griffin. The guy didn't dunk the ball for like 2 years, played like shit on an awful team just for force a buyout. Goes to Brooklyn and all of a sudden doesn't suck anymore.

OEL is younger and probably had a higher overall peak as well. Bit the contract stinks and the underlying numbers the last few years are just as bad.

So has he given up on a team going nowhere for the rest of his career? Or is he just in a steep decline?

The difference is that OEL likes playing in Phoenix.