Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

[CycloneSweep]

It's gotta happen and I think it will happen... it just makes too much sense for it not to go down... especially if McDrai and Karlsson themselves are all on fully on-board and pushing for it.

Which is why it won’t happen

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I would have been very happy with Parayko as a target until he started having potentially serious back issues.

St. Louis Blues 2021-22 Question Marks: Colton Parayko’s Back

St. Louis Blues defender Colton Parayko had a somewhat debilitating back injury in 2021. One season later, the question is whether he's healed up.

bleedinblue.com

For me this is scary in a big guy whose game is built on mobility. As someone who deals with back issues and who has had a father go through multiple surgeries, I may be overly sensitive to this. And I know Karlsson has had his injury issues, but backs have a very nasty habit of just getting worse. Parayko is on year one of an 8 year deal. If St. Louis is willing to move on from him it's a bit of a red flag for me.

I don't disagree about the potential issue of back injury or any significant injury in a collision sport. Due diligence needs to be part of the process for any major acquisition that has had major or recurring issues or games lost to injury. I think some back channel informal conversation could also be held with Craig McTavish.

Parayko's injury was two seasons ago and since he's returned and been an absolute pillar in terms of durability and time on ice. An article also from last season: With Colton Parayko's previous back injury, a game off is reason for concern

"The Blues won without Parayko on Wednesday, but in 2021, they went 7-10-4 in the 21 games he missed from Feb. 15 to April 5. He played the final 16 games of the regular season, and all four of the team’s postseason games, getting stronger each game.

Still, Parayko’s back continued to be a concern. The Blues said that he wouldn’t need surgery and that an offseason of rest would help. Any question that they didn’t believe that themselves was erased when he was signed to an eight-year, $52-million contract extension in September 2021. There was still one year left on his previous deal, which meant he would be in the fold through the 2029-30 season.

At the time of the agreement, Blues general manager Doug Armstrong said the organization had done its due diligence.

“NHL players get injured. That’s just the reality of a physical sport,” Armstrong said. “We talked to our (medical staff), and we were comfortable to take this risk. I think there’s a risk with any player you sign at this age. The NHL lifestyle, on ice, it’s a physical game, it’s a fast game, and it doesn’t look like it’s slowing down.

“But for us, I know how Colton takes care of himself. I know his nutritional beliefs, his workout beliefs. He’ll do whatever he can do to give himself the best opportunity, and that’s really all you can ask for and hope for, good luck.”

St. Louis management with full details about the injury signed this player with confidence he would return to health. Two years later Parayko's time on ice this year is 23:15 which is more than his career average of 22:08. He played 80 games last year, all of their 12 playoff games last year and 51 of 54 games this year. Outside of his injury season two seasons ago (143 regular season and playoff games), Parayko is a durable workhorse who plays top minutes against elite competition.

We heard a similar fear with Adam Larsson and his back injury. Yes, I know, who knows if they are similar issues or not but he is an example of someone who has come back from an apparent recurring back injury who plays a tough, physical style of game and has been both excellent and durable.

Parayko's pedigree, elite size, skating and two-way ability not to mention contract relative to Karlsson makes him well worth investigating fully if the oldest team in the league is looking to retool deeper.

 

[BudBundy]

That Duncan Keith cap dump you refer to got the oilers to the WCF for the first time in almost 20 years. AA would have been qualified if the cap hadn’t become flat when the world stopped. The cap was set to go up almost 10 million dollars the following year or is that something you forgot? The 10 million would have meant a longer term deal for Nurse around 6-7 million. NJ,CHI and CBS set the new market value for top pairing d men that summer not Holland. He was forced to pay market value or let Darnell walk. Imagine our blue line without nurse for a second please. Campbell I will give you as he is far too streaky to justify his dollars but Skinners deal evens it out a bit more.

He added Hyman absolute beauty.
He signed Nuge to an absolute sweetheart deal.
He somehow found a way to keep Kane and ditch Kassian.
The oilers have been a perennial playoff team since he arrived .

The good far outweighs the bad IMO

Don’t forget adding Ceci at very reasonable cost.

 

[PositiveCashFlow]

So funny. Flames fans are starting to lose interest in their team while I’m on here checking every 5 seconds to see if we did something big even though I know that all we’re going to do is send down Holloway and Vin Diesel and activate the garden gnome.

And Marvel is very tough for me to watch after end game.

 

[Soundwave]

Don’t forget adding Ceci at very reasonable cost.

Ceci sucks.

 

[WaitingForUser]

Don’t forget adding Ceci at very reasonable cost.

I didn’t include Ceci because he hasn’t been very good this year. Not his fault as he is playing to high up but compared to last year when we had balance he’s not quite same player.

 

[Senor Catface]

Ceci sucks.

There needs to be an eyeroll emoji for posts.

 

[Mez]

You can also do Skip The Dishes and have Arby's come to you?

They apperantly hate SW edmonton and won't accept skip orders from here.

 

[Soundwave]

There needs to be an eyeroll emoji for posts.

I mean he hasn't been good this year, so I don't see the point in sugar coating it. Think he was the one that got caught high last game that forced Campbell to make that huge 2-on-1 stop too ... if that goes in, Ceci costs us a point.

 

[Paralyzer]

They apperantly hate SW edmonton and won't accept skip orders from here.

Well guess you'll have to move from there to a place they do love...like....say....Millwoods?

 

[Homesick]

You can also do Skip The Dishes and have Arby's come to you?

There's only two left in Calgary and too far away. How many are left in Edmonton?

 

[BudBundy]

I mean he hasn't been good this year, so I don't see the point in sugar coating it. Think he was the one that got caught high last game that forced Campbell to make that huge 2-on-1 stop too ... if that goes in, Ceci costs us a point.

He hasn’t been good? He has been our best performing RH side D since signing here. Including this year. He faces all the toughest competition. You’re really ignoring his body of work.

 

[McTonyBrar]

So Stauffer says that today will be an interesting day in Oil Country, Friedman says no it won't and how Rishaug says hold on a sec Elliott.

What did Rishaug say fully? I only caught a little bit of it

 

[CycloneSweep]

I don't disagree about the potential issue of back injury or any significant injury in a collision sport. Due diligence needs to be part of the process for any major acquisition that has had major or recurring issues or games lost to injury. I think some back channel informal conversation could also be held with Craig McTavish.

Parayko's injury was two seasons ago and since he's returned and been an absolute pillar in terms of durability and time on ice. An article also from last season: With Colton Parayko's previous back injury, a game off is reason for concern

"The Blues won without Parayko on Wednesday, but in 2021, they went 7-10-4 in the 21 games he missed from Feb. 15 to April 5. He played the final 16 games of the regular season, and all four of the team’s postseason games, getting stronger each game.

Still, Parayko’s back continued to be a concern. The Blues said that he wouldn’t need surgery and that an offseason of rest would help. Any question that they didn’t believe that themselves was erased when he was signed to an eight-year, $52-million contract extension in September 2021. There was still one year left on his previous deal, which meant he would be in the fold through the 2029-30 season.

At the time of the agreement, Blues general manager Doug Armstrong said the organization had done its due diligence.

“NHL players get injured. That’s just the reality of a physical sport,” Armstrong said. “We talked to our (medical staff), and we were comfortable to take this risk. I think there’s a risk with any player you sign at this age. The NHL lifestyle, on ice, it’s a physical game, it’s a fast game, and it doesn’t look like it’s slowing down.

“But for us, I know how Colton takes care of himself. I know his nutritional beliefs, his workout beliefs. He’ll do whatever he can do to give himself the best opportunity, and that’s really all you can ask for and hope for, good luck.”

St. Louis management with full details about the injury signed this player with confidence he would return to health. Two years later Parayko's time on ice this year is 23:15 which is more than his career average of 22:08. He played 80 games last year, all of their 12 playoff games last year and 51 of 54 games this year. Outside of his injury season two seasons ago (143 regular season and playoff games), Parayko is a durable workhorse who plays top minutes against elite competition.

We heard a similar fear with Adam Larsson and his back injury. Yes, I know, who knows if they are similar issues or not but he is an example of someone who has come back from an apparent recurring back injury who plays a tough, physical style of game and has been both excellent and durable.

Parayko's pedigree, elite size, skating and two-way ability not to mention contract relative to Karlsson makes him well worth investigating fully if the oldest team in the league is looking to retool deeper.

Parayko still has 8 years left on his contract so he will probably be close to as expensive as Karlsson while being not as good currently and his injury problems be even more of a question mark.

 

[McJadeddog]

It’s literally temporary. Shore is already down. VD is still sick and wouldn’t be playing today anyways. It’s clear they have a trade in the works but haven’t been able to pull the trigger yet.

Yeah Vinny still being sick makes me chance my mind. Didn't know that when I posted this comment. It makes sense now.

 

[MessierII]

They apperantly hate SW edmonton and won't accept skip orders from here.

You probably live in chapelle or somewhere ridiculous. I hate when people move to the furthest possible suburb the complain how there’s nothing around them.

 

[Da McBomb]

I've already prepared myself to be disappointed by today.. Stauffer probably just yanking our chains.

 

[Soundwave]

He hasn’t been good? He has been our best performing RH side D since signing here. Including this year. He faces all the toughest competition. You’re really ignoring his body of work.

He's been poor this year, yes.

Desharnais is the best Oiler defenceman at actual defence maybe outside of Nurse and even that isn't constant, there are times where Nurse is worse.

 

[MessierII]

He's been poor this year, yes.

Desharnais is the best Oiler defenceman at actual defence maybe outside of Nurse and even that isn't constant, there are times where Nurse is worse.

Disagree. Look at the minutes Ceci plays. He’s over his head but still doing a damn good job in his role.

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[Jumptheshark]

What is the over under for the move being sending 2 players down?

 

[Soundwave]

Disagree. Look at the minutes Ceci plays. He’s over his head but still doing a damn good job in his role.

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Hockey Analytics

www.puckiq.com

Which is basically the rub on Ceci ... he's a 4/5 d-man that shouldn't be on a top pair to begin with.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I wouldn't call it ridiculous. The retention they'd be taking on is unprecedented, and the guy is the Norris favourite this year.

Basing his value off this season alone and not factoring in his age, contract and past few seasons is ridiculous.

 

[Mez]

Well guess you'll have to move from there to a place they do love...like....say....Millwoods?

order for me from skip then send it same day courier ! will only be a 100-150$ meal

 

[McTonyBrar]

San Jose Sharks' Erik Karlsson the biggest riser on TSN's NHL Trade Deadline board | TSN

Erik Karlsson, sixth overall in NHL scoring with 73 points, is the biggest riser this week, moving up 19 slots from No. 25 in the wake of reports Edmonton has re-engaged with the Sharks in trade talks.

www.tsn.ca

Not sure if this could mean anything lol

 

[FlameChampion]

What is the over under for the move being sending 2 players down?

90 - 10 that they get sent down

Only thing that gives me pause is that JP wasnt at practice and Woodcroft knows something. Something I think will happen but not sure that it happens today.