Rumor: Rumors & Proposals: "But it was not, an interesting day" - the narrator

[Dazed and Confused]

I don't not like Karlsson, though I'm sceptical of the math and worried about the cost, but a Parayko and ROR addition IMHO would be a much better package for the team.

Normally I do think the best move is to get the best piece (Karlsson) in this situation, but the Oil already have a/the top offence in the league. How much more can that needle be moved forward?

Meanwhile this is a team that often bends and breaks defensively, Parayko and ROR would make this a team that is actually capable of consistently shutting other teams down.

 

[foshizzle]

Explain then.

Sure- this is taking a mathematical look (McCurdy is a mathematician I believe) looks at the impact of Jesse what happens with Jesse on the ice with whoever he plays with and whatever the opposition is. It reflects that when he is on the ice- him and his line mates generate offense at a higher rate than the opposition (by a lot). He may not finish (or never score a goal like McCurdy says) but he will have a positive impact on xGF- I.e he will assist on generating high danger chances even if he doesn’t score himself, he will assist his linemates in scoring.

On the defensive side- it shows he is excellent at surprising shots no matter who he plays with and who plays against. That means suppression of high danger chances.

Overall, it shows Jesse is a very strong defensive forward who plays a significant role in generating offense for his line mates. We see this when he plays with Connor. He takes responsibility defensively allowing Connor to cheat and in the offensive zone he is good at creating space and time for him. If you read the comments, McCurdy goes on to say elite centres need a better finisher on both wings than Jesse- but he is an excellent 3/4th liner.

What I can deduce from this is he is on a line with McLeod and Holloway- they would be excellent

 

[foshizzle]

Normally I do think the best move is to get the best piece (Karlsson) in this situation, but the Oil already have a/the top offence in the league. How much more can that needle be moved forward?

Meanwhile this is a team that often bends and breaks defensively, Parayko and ROR would make this a team that is actually capable of consistently shutting other teams down.

The thought that Karlsson is only an offensive d-man and you need a shut down dman is completely wrong. Teams that have won over the past decade have had strong 2 way defensemen. Tampa and Colorado in particular have focused d-men who can skate and move the puck up the middle. The oilers struggle with teams that cut off the walls- LA, Montreal, etc because no one can move the puck up the middle (except Bouchard). This is resulting in pucks being turned over in the neutral zone or worse, their own end- that’s why see waves of attack against the Oilers.

People want EK because he is McDavid on the back end. He drives possession and can move the puck. He also has strong possession numbers. He’ll be a huge get for the team and you will see Connor outscore the opposition and have the puck going the right way

Spoiler Alert

Quantumania Sucks

You think everyone and everything sucks

Isn’t that what most of the reviews were saying anyway?

Critics didn’t like it but audience scores are high 80s

I'm only watching because of Kang and because Jonathan Majors is bringing the work and heat in Hollywood now.

He's going to kill it in Creed 3 too

Creed 3 premier happened and the word is Jonathon Majors steals the show

 

[foshizzle]

Asking this again - if we send Vinny/Desharnais “down”, can it be a paper transaction? Or do they have to report to Bakersfield?

Can be paper

Who knows, it could also be a power play from the sharks GM to let Holland know his initial offer wasn’t even worth consideration.

Seems like nobody has a clue what’s going on. I just hope we come out of this a better team.

Holland is going to send down Vinny and Holloway to make room for Yamo- so legit making the team worse

 

[WaitingForUser]

Lol speedy turtle? Not a chance.

Those were some fun times though.

Speedy turtle didn't beat around the bush. Direct to the point and accurate. The legend.

Speedy we need you one more time for old time sake

 

[Fourier]

I speculated months back that if St. Louis went sideways, the league's oldest team might prospectively look to move out Parayko. Little bit of smoke rising: Insider Trading: Could the St. Louis Blues also move a defenceman? | TSN

EK65 is the electric offenseman option. If available, Parayko would be an eclipse sized two-way option who could stabilize Nurse's game with shutdown ability and veteran Cup champion experience. Would be curious if both might be legitimately available.

I would have been very happy with Parayko as a target until he started having potentially serious back issues.

St. Louis Blues 2021-22 Question Marks: Colton Parayko’s Back

St. Louis Blues defender Colton Parayko had a somewhat debilitating back injury in 2021. One season later, the question is whether he's healed up.

bleedinblue.com

For me this is scary in a big guy whose game is built on mobility. As someone who deals with back issues and who has had a father go through multiple surgeries, I may be overly sensitive to this. And I know Karlsson has had his injury issues, but backs have a very nasty habit of just getting worse. Parayko is on year one of an 8 year deal. If St. Louis is willing to move on from him it's a bit of a red flag for me.

 

[McFlyingV]

Normally I do think the best move is to get the best piece (Karlsson) in this situation, but the Oil already have a/the top offence in the league. How much more can that needle be moved forward?

Meanwhile this is a team that often bends and breaks defensively, Parayko and ROR would make this a team that is actually capable of consistently shutting other teams down.

There's a pretty good argument that having a D who controls the game like Karlsson equates to a lot less time spent defending, and less opportunity to make mistakes or give up scoring chances. Makar was a solid example of this last year, and the defensive games of Makar and Karlsson are not all that different.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Blows my mind that we are linked to everyone imaginable but Timo Meier.

Meier would potentially be the piece that puts this team over the top. A 5v5 driver with physicality that could finally answer the Draisaitl winger question.

But no. Only the top 5 teams in the league are linked to him so.

 

[Dakinjor]

Blows my mind that we are linked to everyone imaginable but Timo Meier.

Meier would potentially be the piece that puts this team over the top. A 5v5 driver with physicality that could finally answer the Draisaitl winger question.

But no. Only the top 5 teams in the league are linked to him so.

While Meier would be nice, We aren't really lacking in top 6 depth. We lack bottom 6 depth/ D
The only player who he replaces in the top 6 is Yamamoto, and pushing Yams into a bottom 6 driver role doesn't work as we have seen in the past. All this ignoring the fact he will probably be another 10M+ forward next year.

Let us stick to a Defensive 3C or a big fish Defenseman.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Blows my mind that we are linked to everyone imaginable but Timo Meier.

Meier would potentially be the piece that puts this team over the top. A 5v5 driver with physicality that could finally answer the Draisaitl winger question.

But no. Only the top 5 teams in the league are linked to him so.

I've had him top of my list of pieces to acquire.

Easily the best forward on the market.

Karlsson + Meier would be a great 1-2 punch of acquisitions for the Oilers at this deadline.

 

[EchoesoftheEighties]

I'm boarding a flight to Toronto and when I land EK65 better be an Oiler

Booooo fire Kenny

 

[Paralyzer008]

While Meier would be nice, We aren't really lacking in top 6 depth. We lack bottom 6 depth/ D
The only player who he replaces in the top 6 is Yamamoto, and pushing Yams into a bottom 6 driver role doesn't work as we have seen in the past. All this ignoring the fact he will probably be another 10M+ forward next year.

Let us stick to a Defensive 3C or a big fish Defenseman.

EK is next to impossible to acquire without massive retention and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if we're out on Chychrun - the rest of the D is basically ass who are available. CBJ is going to con someone into paying the world for Gavrikov.

I do agree that Edmonton is going to need even more pieces to fix the PK. Desharnais is huge for it, McLeod/Yamamoto are good PK pieces. Kulak/Broberg can PK. The numbers show the penalty kill is improving in terms of chances against but another forward who can PK would help. It might be there internally (Foegele, Kane, I miss RNH/Hyman being elite at this, McDavid sometimes is fine) but a guy like Lafferty would go a long way.

Then there's the elephant in the room nobody wants to discuss...

Edmonton's biggest Pacific Division problem is Vegas - and they can beat Vegas. Vegas has a mediocre PK themselves. Edmonton seems to match okay with them and Mark Stone is likely out.

The issue is going to be when Edmonton runs into Dallas, Winnipeg, or Colorado - and all three teams have big matchup advantages on Edmonton. Hellebuyck or Oettinger vs Campbell/Skinner, that's lopsided in a seven-game series. Oettinger has a .904 save percentage ON THE PK (crazy) and we know Hellebuyck can steal a series. Avs are the Avs.

I like Skinner, but his .853 save percentage on the PK is good for 47th among goalies with at least 10 starts. Campbell is even worse, at 63rd. A big part of the penalty kill improving depends on your goalie. Mike Smith made this PK look adequate and sometimes great somehow last season. Of course, Smith is frustrating as hell otherwise but he battles at 5v4.

Now it's interesting to note that Georgiev also looks awful on the PK for the Avs but - elephant in the room is the goalies are possibly not going to be good enough again and that dates back to the summer in terms of "tried to fix it already."

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Blows my mind that we are linked to everyone imaginable but Timo Meier.

Meier would potentially be the piece that puts this team over the top. A 5v5 driver with physicality that could finally answer the Draisaitl winger question.

But no. Only the top 5 teams in the league are linked to him so.

The 2 teams most heavily linked with him are NJ and CAR and both apparently have some desire to sign him to an extension and every team that wanted to only rent him seems to have fallen by the way side, I think this is pretty telling as to where negotiations have gone. Our need for him is less than other teams and we have no real capacity to extend him, so it doesn't make sense that we would outbid everyone else.

It kind of sounds like you just want to be involved as an acknowledgement that he is a great player worth pursuing, but to me it seems like a fruitless endeavor like collecting a participation ribbon when our efforts are better spent on players we actually want or in feigning interest in comparable players so as not to give sellers the impression that it's a captive market.

 

[Fourier]

Blows my mind that we are linked to everyone imaginable but Timo Meier.

Meier would potentially be the piece that puts this team over the top. A 5v5 driver with physicality that could finally answer the Draisaitl winger question.

But no. Only the top 5 teams in the league are linked to him so.

He would be a pure rental for the Oilers and would probably be very expensive. Most likely he is traded to a team that wants to extend him right away given his QO.

 

[Paralyzer008]

The 2 teams most heavily linked with him are NJ and CAR and both apparently have some desire to sign him to an extension and every team that wanted to only rent him seems to have fallen by the way side, I think this is pretty telling as to where negotiations have gone. Our need for him is less than other teams and we have no real capacity to extend him, so it doesn't make sense that we would outbid everyone else.

It kind of sounds like you just want to be involved as an acknowledgement that he is a great player worth pursuing, but to me it seems like a fruitless endeavor like collecting a participation ribbon when our efforts are better spent on players we actually want or in feigning interest in comparable players so as not to give sellers the impression that it's a captive market.

Pierre LeBrun says Carolina is interested even if he won't extend. Claude Lemieux hasn't even let Meier talk to teams.

I want to be involved because he could be the piece that puts us over the top. As of right now, Leon Draisaitl has had a rotation of guys on line two and nothing seems to fit long-term for him - and then we end up defaulting to throwing him with Connor in times of need. Meier could be the ticket to having an unstoppable top six this playoffs.

Nobody compares in my eyes to his impact potentially except MAYBE - Chychrun (not in on that), ROR (been quiet on that), and Karlsson (hard to do).

Patrick Kane - hip seems pretty injured, and his 5v5 numbers especially defensively are abysmal. I think he's only going to help a team needing PP help, which we don't.

Vladislav Gavrikov - not convinced he's better than Brett Kulak even, and the price is hilarious

Tyler Bertuzzi - seems to be coming on of late, but he's slow - would be a weird fit for our style of play. Also, injury prone.

Joel Edmundson - haha, come on

Shayne Gostisbehere - Small Barrie who isn't built for playoffs?

Anyone else we're linked to that fixes a problem and is legit a good player and not just a name that some GM is hyping to be helpful? I'd have time for Conor Garland if the Canucks considered that, but I don't think it makes sense with our cap structure. As I said above though - elephant in the room is our goaltending will have to beat Oettinger, Hellebuyck or the Avs, regardless.

 

[McBooya42]

I would have been very happy with Parayko as a target until he started having potentially serious back issues.

St. Louis Blues 2021-22 Question Marks: Colton Parayko’s Back

St. Louis Blues defender Colton Parayko had a somewhat debilitating back injury in 2021. One season later, the question is whether he's healed up.

bleedinblue.com

For me this is scary in a big guy whose game is built on mobility. As someone who deals with back issues and who has had a father go through multiple surgeries, I may be overly sensitive to this. And I know Karlsson has had his injury issues, but backs have a very nasty habit of just getting worse. Parayko is on year one of an 8 year deal. If St. Louis is willing to move on from him it's a bit of a red flag for me.

Back issues always get worse - agreed. Add in his style of play, and them trying to sell in year one of 8 (also agreed) = bad news.

 

[Oilslick941611]

im warming up to the idea of trading for Karlsson, as long it doesn't take away our forward depth, or we a a forward back if we add one or two for the contracts to work out, still not keen on his age, but oh well. We have 3 years to win.

 

[Paralyzer008]

LeBrun today saying Orlov and the Caps are not close to a new deal and while a trade isn't likely, it could happen closer to the deadline.

If Orlov is available, there is my new Oilers target.

 

[NewEraGM]

Damn would live to see a big karlsson to Edmonton trade. Let’s goooooo!

Puujujarvi + 1st + (Bourgault or Holloway) + Cap dump for Karlsson at 4M retained.

 

[joestevens29]

LeBrun today saying Orlov and the Caps are not close to a new deal and while a trade isn't likely, it could happen closer to the deadline.

If Orlov is available, there is my new Oilers target.

I'll be a little surprised if he gets dealt. Almost seems like it's the agent leaking this to Lebrun to put some pressure on the Caps.

I also don't know what Washington would do without him. Even with a healthy Carlson, Orlov has lead them at ESTOI/GP this year and last.

Although who knows at soon to be 32 he's looking for 8 years and a lot of money.

 

[LevelingSolo]

Spoiler Alert

Quantumania Sucks

MCU is toast, that was there one chance to win people back and it looks like they are blowing it

 

[joestevens29]

New target anyone that has a scary voice like Ken Daneyko. He yells a couple time in the locker room and guys have to respond. I mean they might shit themselves first, but after that.

If you aren't sure what I'm talking about listen to his segment with Struds and Gregor yesterday.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Blows my mind that we are linked to everyone imaginable but Timo Meier.

Meier would potentially be the piece that puts this team over the top. A 5v5 driver with physicality that could finally answer the Draisaitl winger question.

But no. Only the top 5 teams in the league are linked to him so.

Gimme fuel, Gimme fire,
Gimme Timo f***ing Meier!!!!

 

[Jumptheshark]

MCU is toast, that was there one chance to win people back and it looks like they are blowing it

If DCEU continues down the dark path, I can see them stumbling. No problem with Batman being dark and gritty, but not all have be like that.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]