Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | You Need to Fire Kenny, You Bastards!

[RegDunlop]

Bang on.

Changing the coach to one that has a more modern system will show us what the roster really has. Holland has a lot of work to do as well, but coaching change and a legit starter would be a good start. Kane as a nice bonus (it had better not be the only change coming)

Just think
Under a proper system where McDrai play just under 20 mins a game how much more energy and push to their game they'd have.
Not to mention the while team being involved.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Additionally, the buzz of the Oilers being easy to play against is right, but there are some misplaced beliefs. Oldheads like Stauffer et. al talk about adding meatheads who check. Yes the Oilers need to be more physical, but having watched a lot of the top teams this year, the bigger factor is pace and competitive nature. The top teams are 4 lines deep of skilled players that also are relentless on the forecheck, finish their checks, but most importantly they WIN NEARLY EVERY BATTLE. The Oilers are the exact opposite and I suspect this comes from riding the top 6 too much every game and not playing the bottom 6 enough. Creating chaos is the biggest factor in generating offense. Teams rely heavily on structure and system play and will stifle offense if you cannot overcome this.

I think you ID'ed the correct issue, but missed on the main cause (though no doubt what you listed is an reason).

I see a team that has a lot of good forecheckers (Hyman, Yams, Pulju, Foegele), but they immediately fall back into a defensive structure the second they don't have the puck. That's on coaching.

And while I'm all for blaming Tippett, I can at least understand why he's doing it: it's his best attempt/answer to stop the bleeding at the other end of the ice. (and yes, that "best answer" is failing miserably).


They need to fix goaltending before they can get to anything else.

 

[DerpMorg]

So with Soderlund having his contract terminated, Holland looking like an even bigger idiot after that Keith trade.

 

[Rafters]

Vegas is gonna be royally f***ed this off season cap wise. Nic Roy would be an ideal target for 3C, he's got great numbers and an upcoming RFA. Additionally, vegas may look to trade him as they'll have Eichel-Karlsson-Stephenson down the middle.

Yeah, but unless Keith retires, the Oilers are also in cap hell

 

[MoontoScott]

Exactly and we still have a very good Top 6 and PP (not lately).

I"m more on the few tinkers train. Still am. No homerun needed. Other than replace Tipp as that would give us a 10 game spark to at least right the ship.. obviously I want woodcroft.

Yup, new coach and at least some attempt to upgrade the goalie position. No need to go chasing someone at the expense of good prospects and of course other teams will want a King's ransom for good players --knowing the position that the Oilers are in.

The good news is that there are lots of decent prospects waiting in the wings so if no upgrade this season then perhaps one next season as a few guys come of (NHL) age. No more super expensive UFAs or bone head trades---neither one has netted the team anything. We suck at it--period.

 

[Czechboy]

Diving into the analytics, Barrie is the anchor on the defensive end (surprising to no one). He manages a >50% xGF only while paired with Nurse and comprises 4 of the bottom 5 defensive combinations with >15 min TOI 5v5 this season (Barrie with Russell 41% xGF, with Koekkeok 39% xGF, with Niemelainen 39% xGF, with Bouchard 27 xGF%). The only worse pairing was Russell Broberg with 6% xGF!!!!.

Nurse and Bouchard are the horses on the back-end, both while paired together and separately. I believe separating them is the best course of action as opposed to playing them together. Together they are pretty damn good tho (~59% xGF in over 350 min TOI 5v5). From simple eye test, Bouchard struggles to stop the cycle so ideally he is partnered with a more physically gifted player.

Ceci seems to be performing adequately (~50% xGF while playing top 4 minutes), but I believe he's better suited to as a #5 guy where I think he would excel (as he did in Pittsburgh).

In an ideal world Keith would retire and open up 9M in cap space, but banking on that is not realistic. He seems to perform better with a puck-mover on his pairing. If he is still here next season, I think you have to pair him with Bouchard, or have him and Ceci (~50 xGF% this year getting top 4 minutes) on the bottom pair getting ~15 min a game.

I said last game that I liked the thought process behind Nurse - Ceci... I think I'd like to see this for our best chance:

Nurse - Ceci
Keith - Bouch
Russel - Barrie

I know Barrie is out tonight but I feel that is a good bet.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Definitely not something an 'insider' would tweet, but he's clearly referring to the old Wayne Brady/Dave Chapelle skit.

Weak attempt at humor.

Ah ok. I thought he was being serious. I hate it when men (and women) refer to women as “bitches”. So degrading.

 

[McDNicks17]

So with Soderlund having his contract terminated, Holland looking like an even bigger idiot after that Keith trade.

He was always a nothing piece. He hasn't scored in any league basically ever. Holland just got suckered into taking a contract back.

 

[XXIV97]

This team really got screwed by injuries (Sekera, Klefbom) and poor trades by Chiarelli.

After the 2016-2017 season, we should have paid assets to get rid of dead cap and overpaid players.

Holland comes and does nothing. Uses cap space to solve nothing

 

[Rafters]

This team really got screwed by injuries (Sekera, Klefbom) and poor trades by Chiarelli.

After the 2016-2017 season, we should have paid assets to get rid of dead cap and overpaid players.

Holland comes and does nothing. Uses cap space to solve nothing

He did use 5.6 mill to upgrade the 3LD position

 

[Jumptheshark]

Martin Jones looked like complete crap today

 

[Oilhawks]

So with Soderlund having his contract terminated, Holland looking like an even bigger idiot after that Keith trade.

I don’t think Soderlund was meant to be anything beyond a minor league throw in

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

He did use 5.6 mill to upgrade the 3LD position

Ahh oiler fan world… where bear is a top 4 and Keith is a bottom 6.

 

[Oilhawks]

Ahh oiler fan world… where bear is a top 4 and Keith is a bottom 6.

Even the advanced stats guys are saying (and showing) that Keith has been a solid 2nd pair defense man (and better than they expected). Maybe he didn’t get the memo.

The biggest problem with the defense is actually Barrie. I like the guy and he can put up some good numbers but his already so-so defensive game has eroded further this season. I think he will be on another team next season

 

[DerpMorg]

Maybe this should be its own thread, but maybe we all should take a moment, step back and remember that this team means - and meant - a lot for many people from all walks of life.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...hirt-fallen-soldier-afghanistan-war-1.6319812

 

[Jumptheshark]

So with Soderlund having his contract terminated, Holland looking like an even bigger idiot after that Keith trade.

He was always a project

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

I think you ID'ed the correct issue, but missed on the main cause (though no doubt what you listed is an reason).

I see a team that has a lot of good forecheckers (Hyman, Yams, Pulju, Foegele), but they immediately fall back into a defensive structure the second they don't have the puck. That's on coaching.

And while I'm all for blaming Tippett, I can at least understand why he's doing it: it's his best attempt/answer to stop the bleeding at the other end of the ice. (and yes, that "best answer" is failing miserably).


They need to fix goaltending before they can get to anything else.

This will never change under Tippett. Listen to what Keith is saying, basically saying they all need to commit to a patient, slow game, no mistakes.

they should be talking about upping their pressure and trying to overwhelm the other team

 

[Heavy Dee]

Spencer Martin?

 

[McShogun99]

Ahh oiler fan world… where bear is a top 4 and Keith is a bottom 6.

Top 4???? Try top pairing. Didn't you hear he's better then Nurse. The advanced stats show that he carried Nurse.

 

[Del Preston]

re: Varlamov

He's let in two terrible goals tonight.

 

[Skar]

All these goalies having shit games after hearing rumours that the Oilers are interested in their services

 

[Aerchon]

Even the advanced stats guys are saying (and showing) that Keith has been a solid 2nd pair defense man (and better than they expected). Maybe he didn’t get the memo.

The biggest problem with the defense is actually Barrie. I like the guy and he can put up some good numbers but his already so-so defensive game has eroded further this season. I think he will be on another team next season

The advanced stats people are showing that Duncan Keith was terrible and shouldn't have been traded for by any sane person.

The fact that he has been the single most improved player by advanced stats and still looks like a solid #3/4 is scarey. As is his cap hit and trading assets for said player.

The problem isn't that Keith is playing solid hockey or not. It's the over the top price we paid for a player that just should never have been traded for.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

All these goalies having shit games after hearing rumours that the Oilers are interested in their services

Ah, the good old "do the dishes bad enough you won't be asked to do them again" scheme.

They're pretending to suck until Oilers find their #1. Can't blame them.

 

[Oilhawks]

The advanced stats people are showing that Duncan Keith was terrible and shouldn't have been traded for by any sane person.

The fact that he has been the single most improved player by advanced stats and still looks like a solid #3/4 is scarey. As is his cap hit and trading assets for said player.

The problem isn't that Keith is playing solid hockey or not. It's the over the top price we paid for a player that just should never have been traded for.

So he’s vastly improved and playing as a top 4D but never should have been traded for?

Okay

You can say the overpaid for him, but saying he’s been good and never should have been traded for does not seem logical

 

[alphahelix]

So he’s vastly improved and playing as a top 4D but never should have been traded for?

Okay

You can say the overpaid for him, but saying he’s been good and never should have been traded for does not seem logical

Its very logical when you consider the price, and opportunity cost. Its not that difficult of a concept to grasp.