Rumor: Rumors and Proposals Thread | You Need to Fire Kenny, You Bastards!

[CycloneSweep]

LOL.
“signing to the Oilers”
“Maybe later this week”
“More teams looking at him”
“NHL investigating but still Oilers”
*weeks later”
“Later this week”
“By the end of the weekend, still Oilers”
“Maybe Monday Tuesday, maybe Oilers”

These insiders clearly know shit.

 

[CycloneSweep]

It’s funny, we apparently were looking at Jones and then he gets absolutely slaughtered by Buffalo. Just what we need.

 

[Faelko]

It’s funny, we apparently were looking at Jones and then he gets absolutely slaughtered by Buffalo. Just what we need.

Jones would be such an Oiler thing to do, probably Samourkov going back…lol

 

[Beerfish]

LOL.
“signing to the Oilers”
“Maybe later this week”
“More teams looking at him”
“NHL investigating but still Oilers”
*weeks later”
“Later this week”
“By the end of the weekend, still Oilers”
“Maybe Monday Tuesday, maybe Oilers”

These insiders clearly know shit.

Almost like a Mike Smith day to day injury.

 

[Czechboy]

Jones would be such an Oiler thing to do, probably Samourkov going back…lol

Yup... We will eventually trade Samo and yamo for older shittier versions of them for more cap. Then wonder why we have no depth.

 

[Czechboy]

Almost like a Mike Smith day to day injury.

I'm telling you... He's getting ready for next year's training camp and should easily replicate that once in 4 year .923! No problem.

 

[Czechboy]

Turris cleared... Shocking I know.

It got me thinking how many guys on our roster could clear waivers if they were put on them... I think all of these guys would not be picked up because of cap or term or both...

Foegele
Shore
Keith
KK
Smith
Koskinen
Kassian
Rnh (I know he can't be waived)
Barrie
Nurse

Basically mcd, drai, JP, Bouch and yam would be claimed.

Just a thought experiment...

 

[Old Boys Club]

Vegas is gonna be royally f***ed this off season cap wise. Nic Roy would be an ideal target for 3C, he's got great numbers and an upcoming RFA. Additionally, vegas may look to trade him as they'll have Eichel-Karlsson-Stephenson down the middle.

 

[MoontoScott]

Turris cleared... Shocking I know.

It got me thinking how many guys on our roster could clear waivers if they were put on them... I think all of these guys would not be picked up because of cap or term or both...

Foegele
Shore
Keith
KK
Smith
Koskinen
Kassian
Rnh (I know he can't be waived)
Barrie
Nurse

Basically mcd, drai, JP, Bouch and yam would be claimed.

Just a thought experiment...

I went through the exact same thought experiment as you did (after the latest fiasco against the Panthers) and came up with the exact same lists except I would add McLeod to the 2nd list. He's good value for his ability and current contract. 6 players total--it's an eye opener isn't it?

Edit--forgot Ryan, he wouldn't be claimed either.

I think that Ryan, Shore and 4K could all start next season in the minors to gain a bit of cap space.

 

[Faelko]

Turris cleared... Shocking I know.

It got me thinking how many guys on our roster could clear waivers if they were put on them... I think all of these guys would not be picked up because of cap or term or both...

Foegele
Shore
Keith
KK
Smith
Koskinen
Kassian
Rnh (I know he can't be waived)
Barrie
Nurse

Basically mcd, drai, JP, Bouch and yam would be claimed.

Just a thought experiment...

Foegele, Nurse and RNH would never clear.
Barrie and Keith would based on age/cap hit.

‘The rest aren’t NHL players so no real surprise there. You can add Benson to that as well.

 

[Oilhawks]

Turris cleared... Shocking I know.

It got me thinking how many guys on our roster could clear waivers if they were put on them... I think all of these guys would not be picked up because of cap or term or both...

Foegele
Shore
Keith
KK
Smith
Koskinen
Kassian
Rnh (I know he can't be waived)
Barrie
Nurse

Basically mcd, drai, JP, Bouch and yam would be claimed.

Just a thought experiment...

You could say that for a lot of good players on other teams though…

 

[Czechboy]

I went through the exact same thought experiment as you did (after the latest fiasco against the Panthers) and came up with the exact same lists except I would add McLeod to the 2nd list. He's good value for his ability and current contract. 6 players total--it's an eye opener isn't it?

Edit--forgot Ryan, he wouldn't be claimed either.

I think that Ryan, Shore and 4K could all start next season in the minors to gain a bit of cap space.

Thank you... McLeod would be claimed for sure. Ryan would not.

Most of them are simply because of the stupid 2 year contracts. Eg. Ryan might be claimed if he was UFA at end of season. 4C on a strong team.

 

[Oilhawks]

Vegas is gonna be royally f***ed this off season cap wise. Nic Roy would be an ideal target for 3C, he's got great numbers and an upcoming RFA. Additionally, vegas may look to trade him as they'll have Eichel-Karlsson-Stephenson down the middle.

Indeed. They’ve certainly pushed all of the chips into the middle for this season. If they have another disappointing playoffs there could be bigger changes as well, considering they seem to make big moves every offseason as it is

 

[Old Boys Club]

Arizona and Seattle are prime places to dump off cap (Kassian, Barrie) and likely you could add picks/prospects to get decent players in return (Soucy, Donskoi, Johan Larsson).

Alas, Holland only makes trades if it involves players he picked while in DET.

 

[MoontoScott]

Thank you... McLeod would be claimed for sure. Ryan would not.

Most of them are simply because of the stupid 2 year contracts. Eg. Ryan might be claimed if he was UFA at end of season. 4C on a strong team.

It would be interesting to see this same basic analyses that we did (on the Oilers) to every other team in the league to see how efficient the management is at managing cap space.

Its a bit misleading because although every other team in the league would want to claim Mc-D how many teams would have the cap room of 12.5M per season? Of course they would be making a mad rush to try and do so because he's the best player in the world.

I agree that the addition of the 2nd year on these "retirement party" deals has been a real killer. It was the same for Turris as well--most of these guys should have gotten the "1 year--take it or leave it option." There's always Canada Post listings if you don't like it.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Additionally, the buzz of the Oilers being easy to play against is right, but there are some misplaced beliefs. Oldheads like Stauffer et. al talk about adding meatheads who check. Yes the Oilers need to be more physical, but having watched a lot of the top teams this year, the bigger factor is pace and competitive nature. The top teams are 4 lines deep of skilled players that also are relentless on the forecheck, finish their checks, but most importantly they WIN NEARLY EVERY BATTLE. The Oilers are the exact opposite and I suspect this comes from riding the top 6 too much every game and not playing the bottom 6 enough. Creating chaos is the biggest factor in generating offense. Teams rely heavily on structure and system play and will stifle offense if you cannot overcome this.

 

[Stoneman89]

It’s funny, we apparently were looking at Jones and then he gets absolutely slaughtered by Buffalo. Just what we need.

Jones has dropped off the face of the hockey world. Used to be a fairly competent goalie, if nothing else. Now, he's just plain bad. No idea why we would be interested. But then, nothing surprises me anymore with this group of incompetents. Watch them give up some good pieces for him, and then throw a multi year deal at him.

 

[MoontoScott]

Jones has dropped off the face of the hockey world. Used to be a fairly competent goalie, if nothing else. Now, he's just plain bad. No idea why we would be interested. But then, nothing surprises me anymore with this group of incompetents. Watch them give up some good pieces for him, and then throw a multi year deal at him.

Interesting that the chat on the board sounds like "next-years-ville" and I am starting to see it the same way but there is still 55% of the season to go and there is time to make a serious run. Of course, the owner has to decide when he has had enough and its 50/50 (in my mind) as to whether that happens. If its another blowout loss again tonight and nothing happens then you know that verdict has been rendered.

 

[Oilhawks]

Additionally, the buzz of the Oilers being easy to play against is right, but there are some misplaced beliefs. Oldheads like Stauffer et. al talk about adding meatheads who check. Yes the Oilers need to be more physical, but having watched a lot of the top teams this year, the bigger factor is pace and competitive nature. The top teams are 4 lines deep of skilled players that also are relentless on the forecheck, finish their checks, but most importantly they WIN NEARLY EVERY BATTLE. The Oilers are the exact opposite and I suspect this comes from riding the top 6 too much every game and not playing the bottom 6 enough. Creating chaos is the biggest factor in generating offense. Teams rely heavily on structure and system play and will stifle offense if you cannot overcome this.

Bang on.

Changing the coach to one that has a more modern system will show us what the roster really has. Holland has a lot of work to do as well, but coaching change and a legit starter would be a good start. Kane as a nice bonus (it had better not be the only change coming)

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Vegas is gonna be royally f***ed this off season cap wise. Nic Roy would be an ideal target for 3C, he's got great numbers and an upcoming RFA. Additionally, vegas may look to trade him as they'll have Eichel-Karlsson-Stephenson down the middle.

I’m a fan of Roy and have been for a little bit. I’d love this

 

[Czechboy]

It would be interesting to see this same basic analyses that we did (on the Oilers) to every other team in the league to see how efficient the management is at managing cap space.

Its a bit misleading because although every other team in the league would want to claim Mc-D how many teams would have the cap room of 12.5M per season? Of course they would be making a mad rush to try and do so because he's the best player in the world.

I agree that the addition of the 2nd year on these "retirement party" deals has been a real killer. It was the same for Turris as well--most of these guys should have gotten the "1 year--take it or leave it option." There's always Canada Post listings if you don't like it.

It would be.

I've said forever, ink dries on a contract here and the player is untradeable almost immediately. We just don't have many value contracts past our ELC's and those have limits or else we'd probably screw them up too!

I looked at the Leafs and they have so many million dollar guys that would be claimed ASAP... I know some took discounts and that is fair to say but they have a lot of good value at the bottom of the roster.

 

[Czechboy]

Interesting that the chat on the board sounds like "next-years-ville" and I am starting to see it the same way but there is still 55% of the season to go and there is time to make a serious run. Of course, the owner has to decide when he has had enough and its 50/50 (in my mind) as to whether that happens. If its another blowout loss again tonight and nothing happens then you know that verdict has been rendered.

I REFUSE to believe this is not a playoff team in this division and this season.

That would be catastrophic and I know the last month has been a catastrophe but I really believe we are better than this. Which is funny because far from an optimist about the Oilers.

 

[Old Boys Club]

Diving into the analytics, Barrie is the anchor on the defensive end (surprising to no one). He manages a >50% xGF only while paired with Nurse and comprises 4 of the bottom 5 defensive combinations with >15 min TOI 5v5 this season (Barrie with Russell 41% xGF, with Koekkeok 39% xGF, with Niemelainen 39% xGF, with Bouchard 27 xGF%). The only worse pairing was Russell Broberg with 6% xGF!!!!.

Nurse and Bouchard are the horses on the back-end, both while paired together and separately. I believe separating them is the best course of action as opposed to playing them together. Together they are pretty damn good tho (~59% xGF in over 350 min TOI 5v5). From simple eye test, Bouchard struggles to stop the cycle so ideally he is partnered with a more physically gifted player.

Ceci seems to be performing adequately (~50% xGF while playing top 4 minutes), but I believe he's better suited to as a #5 guy where I think he would excel (as he did in Pittsburgh).

In an ideal world Keith would retire and open up 9M in cap space, but banking on that is not realistic. He seems to perform better with a puck-mover on his pairing. If he is still here next season, I think you have to pair him with Bouchard, or have him and Ceci (~50 xGF% this year getting top 4 minutes) on the bottom pair getting ~15 min a game.

 

[MoontoScott]

I REFUSE to believe this is not a playoff team in this division and this season.

That would be catastrophic and I know the last month has been a catastrophe but I really believe we are better than this. Which is funny because far from an optimist about the Oilers.

Yes, this team does have enough talent to make the playoffs but without some changes in thinking it probably won't happen. Like I said, 55% of the season left and that's lots of runway.

 

[Czechboy]

Yes, this team does have enough talent to make the playoffs but without some changes in thinking it probably won't happen. Like I said, 55% of the season left and that's lots of runway.

Exactly and we still have a very good Top 6 and PP (not lately).

I"m more on the few tinkers train. Still am. No homerun needed. Other than replace Tipp as that would give us a 10 game spark to at least right the ship.. obviously I want woodcroft.