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[K1984]

Honestly, by the end of the year I expect Bouchard to look like a younger version of Dougie Hamilton.

NOT AS GOOD A PLAYER everyone, but with that skill, poise and positive impact.

Edit: If Bouchard's play pushes Ceci, and even Barrie, down the lineup, just means the team is better.

I feel he gets criminally underrated by prospect analysts and folks in general.

His only real fault is defensive reads (which d man doesn't have these problems to some degree at this age), while his offensive ability is light years ahead of many others that continually get ranked higher. Maybe there is something they see that I'm missing, but in my opinion I don't see any way he isn't a top pairing lock not too long into the future.

 

[Oilhawks]

I feel he gets criminally underrated by prospect analysts and folks in general.

His only real fault is defensive reads (which d man doesn't have these problems to some degree at this age), while his offensive ability is light years ahead of many others that continually get ranked higher. Maybe there is something they see that I'm missing, but in my opinion I don't see any way he isn't a top pairing lock not too long into the future.

It’s true.

Wheeler has him at 31 of 50 in his recent top prospects article, in his “third tier” of prospects. This was his write up

“It’s going to start to become a bit of a disservice to Bouchard if the Oilers can’t find a way to get him into any kind of regular offensive-zone usage this year. I still believe in him as a capable second-pairing defender at even strength who can really make an impact on the power play. He’s never going to be a late-in-games, shutdown type but he has made progress in some important areas (defensively, in his intensity levels and focus and in a couple different elements of his skating), should be able to hold his own against NHL competition, and has clear value with the puck, in particular as an outlet passer and shot generator. They need to find a way to give him an opportunity to showcase that in a role that suits his skill level, which doesn’t mean having him bounce in and out of the press box and limited minutes.”

The “I still believe in him as a capable 2nd pairing defender” is really selling him short IMO. I wasn’t so sure that all of the D ranked ahead of him are going to be that much better at defending to justify a lower ranking as well.

Interestingly he had Holloway 33rd and is really high on him (in description).

 

[CornKicker]

It’s true.

Wheeler has him at 31 of 50 in his recent top prospects article, in his “third tier” of prospects. This was his write up

“It’s going to start to become a bit of a disservice to Bouchard if the Oilers can’t find a way to get him into any kind of regular offensive-zone usage this year. I still believe in him as a capable second-pairing defender at even strength who can really make an impact on the power play. He’s never going to be a late-in-games, shutdown type but he has made progress in some important areas (defensively, in his intensity levels and focus and in a couple different elements of his skating), should be able to hold his own against NHL competition, and has clear value with the puck, in particular as an outlet passer and shot generator. They need to find a way to give him an opportunity to showcase that in a role that suits his skill level, which doesn’t mean having him bounce in and out of the press box and limited minutes.”

The “I still believe in him as a capable 2nd pairing defender” is really selling him short IMO. I wasn’t so sure that all of the D ranked ahead of him are going to be that much better at defending to justify a lower ranking as well.

Interestingly he had Holloway 33rd and is really high on him (in description).

i thought it was interesting in the DFO interview when tippet said they asked Bouchard if he wanted to go to bakersfield because he wasnt playing and he said no he wanted to practice at the NHL speed.

Last season i put a futures bet on bouchard to win the calder because i believe as soon as hes given the chance he will explode.

 

[K1984]

It’s true.

Wheeler has him at 31 of 50 in his recent top prospects article, in his “third tier” of prospects. This was his write up

“It’s going to start to become a bit of a disservice to Bouchard if the Oilers can’t find a way to get him into any kind of regular offensive-zone usage this year. I still believe in him as a capable second-pairing defender at even strength who can really make an impact on the power play. He’s never going to be a late-in-games, shutdown type but he has made progress in some important areas (defensively, in his intensity levels and focus and in a couple different elements of his skating), should be able to hold his own against NHL competition, and has clear value with the puck, in particular as an outlet passer and shot generator. They need to find a way to give him an opportunity to showcase that in a role that suits his skill level, which doesn’t mean having him bounce in and out of the press box and limited minutes.”

The “I still believe in him as a capable 2nd pairing defender” is really selling him short IMO. I wasn’t so sure that all of the D ranked ahead of him are going to be that much better at defending to justify a lower ranking as well.

Interestingly he had Holloway 33rd and is really high on him (in description).

This is exactly what predicated my post.

The tone of it is almost in the light of "I don't know, he's got to get ice that he hasn't seemed to earn yet to become an NHL player," which doesn't really capture the context of what happened last season. Everyone and their dog (probably including the Oilers Management if you asked them) that knows the team would tell you that he got short changed and deserved to be in the lineup way more than he was. He got burned on that one goal against the Leafs when Bear came back from injury (while playing on his off side) and that was pretty much curtains for his season. Then we got to watch Bear struggle repeatedly in the same role without any real consequence from there on out, which frustrated the hell out of me.

The guy we saw in the NHL this time vs. his first 7 games was a completely different player. These guys are talking about him like his growth has kind of stunted and his path as a top 4 NHL d is uncertain. I would be absolutely stunned if he was anything other than a solid #3 d man at the very worst.

 

[48g90a138pts]

@CornKicker absolutely amazing your still rockin that avatar.

 

[Draiskull]

So how much cap do we have left to give Yama?
We have already chomped into Klefbom's LTIR money using up 3.25M of $4.1.

Stalock + Turris + Russell waived to AHL will free up ~3M leaving us with a 22 man roster. Maybe Holland is looking to wait til Klefbom can be put on LTIR before signing Yama. We cannot get below the cap counting Klefbom's contract AND adding Yama's new deal.

 

[McDNicks17]

So how much cap do we have left to give Yama?
We have already chomped into Klefbom's LTIR money using up 3.25M of $4.1.

Stalock + Turris + Russell waived to AHL will free up ~3M leaving us with a 22 man roster. Maybe Holland is looking to wait til Klefbom can be put on LTIR before signing Yama. We cannot get below the cap counting Klefbom's contract AND adding Yama's new deal.

They can if they waive Turris, Russell, Koekkoek and Stalock and send down Bouchard.

That gives them $2.2M in space with a 12F/6D/2G roster.

 

[48g90a138pts]

So how much cap do we have left to give Yama?
We have already chomped into Klefbom's LTIR money using up 3.25M of $4.1.

Stalock + Turris + Russell waived to AHL will free up ~3M leaving us with a 22 man roster. Maybe Holland is looking to wait til Klefbom can be put on LTIR before signing Yama. We cannot get below the cap counting Klefbom's contract AND adding Yama's new deal.

Yams deal might be partially dependant on how Holland can juggle the players sending some on waivers and others that are waiver exempt, then bringing up Holloway and/or Broberg because of their bonuses. Also if Holland can bring in another LHD or not.

He's got to try to be as close as possible to Klefbom's max LTIR relief, as it's obvious we need to use it for day 1. I wouldn't be surprised if Yamamoto doesn't get signed until training camp. They might even have a deal in place already...who knows.

My speculative guess is he comes in under 2 mil, maybe 1.75 AAV for 2 years.

 

[CornKicker]

@CornKicker absolutely amazing your still rockin that avatar.

haha what is it, i've had avs off for a decade because i post from work lol

 

[48g90a138pts]

haha what is it, i've had avs off for a decade because i post from work lol

It's the 2017 playoff avatar. Yours is the fly on the camera in the Saddledome

 

[CornKicker]

They can if they waive Turris, Russell, Koekkoek and Stalock and send down Bouchard.

That gives them $2.2M in space with a 12F/6D/2G roster.

thats gonna be a no from me dawg

 

[CornKicker]

It's the 2017 playoff avatar. Yours is the fly on the camera in the Saddledome

hahahahahahahahahaha

 

[48g90a138pts]

thats gonna be a no from me dawg

No no no... not for good, just to adjust team salary cap on day 1 to get as close as possible to Klefbom's $4,167,000 LTIR relief

 

[McClelland]

Duncan Keith almost blocked as many shots as Larsson last year. Keith/Ceci together will block more.

You know what i mean, his overall psysical style ,keeping the house clean!

We will see how it goes, those minutes away from McD, will be a unpleasant surprise for especially our Rhd.

You sounds like we got better on the defensive side!

You know that Holland wanted to keeping Larsson for a reason

, he was to sure on him and lost him in the last minute when all good on the market was taken.

So he ended up overpaying Cody Ceci! That screams bad managing!

 

[Canovin]

You know what i mean, his overall psysical style ,keeping the house clean!

We will see how it goes, those minutes away from McD, will be a unpleasant surprise for especially our Rhd.

You sounds like we got better on the defensive side!

You know that Holland wanted to keeping Larsson for a reason

, he was to sure on him and lost him in the last minute when all good on the market was taken.

So he ended up overpaying Cody Ceci! That screams bad managing!

You probably didn't watch the video of Holland before the expansion draft? Holland said it was up to Larsson to stay or leave at this point.

 

[PULSATING]

So what you're saying is we need to sign Martin Gerber

Sign me up bro

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[YakDavid]

Debatable. Until we see at least a full year with Ceci and the results, we can't really say it's downgrade based on performance. They are somewhat two different D with different set of skillsets.

If you meant downgraded in Shutdown ability because Ceci is not known to have the physical edge to his game, then yes for sure,
but you have upgraded in puck-moving ability, two-way skill, and the main option on the 2nd powerplay.

Basically, downgraded in Physicality and toughness but upgraded in puck-moving and mobility

Good point. I guess the really thing is to wait and see. If he can win some puck battles and transition quicker then it could be a positive move

 

[bone]

i thought it was interesting in the DFO interview when tippet said they asked Bouchard if he wanted to go to bakersfield because he wasnt playing and he said no he wanted to practice at the NHL speed.

Last season i put a futures bet on bouchard to win the calder because i believe as soon as hes given the chance he will explode.

He's not eligible for Calder anymore, so that bet won't pay off.

 

[Da McBomb]

Looks like Draisaitl might already be back in town? He had a picture of Rogers place and video of inside Rogers Place on his IG.

 

[bobbythebrain]

You probably didn't watch the video of Holland before the expansion draft? Holland said it was up to Larsson to stay or leave at this point.

How dare you let reality get in the way of a good ol Holland bashing.

 

[Draiskull]

No no no... not for good, just to adjust team salary cap on day 1 to get as close as possible to Klefbom's $4,167,000 LTIR relief

Dont you need a 23 man roster ? If you just need 20 then sure maybe this is what Holland is doing

 

[DynamiteKid]

Dont you need a 23 man roster ? If you just need 20 then sure maybe this is what Holland is doing

Minimum of 20 players.

• 20 Players: the maximum number of players that can be dressed for each game
• 23 Players: the maximum number of players on the roster for each team
• 50 Players: the maximum number of players a team can have under contract in the whole organization
• 90 players: the maximum number of players on it’s reserve list

 

[bobbythebrain]

This is exactly what predicated my post.

The tone of it is almost in the light of "I don't know, he's got to get ice that he hasn't seemed to earn yet to become an NHL player," which doesn't really capture the context of what happened last season. Everyone and their dog (probably including the Oilers Management if you asked them) that knows the team would tell you that he got short changed and deserved to be in the lineup way more than he was. He got burned on that one goal against the Leafs when Bear came back from injury (while playing on his off side) and that was pretty much curtains for his season. Then we got to watch Bear struggle repeatedly in the same role without any real consequence from there on out, which frustrated the hell out of me.

The guy we saw in the NHL this time vs. his first 7 games was a completely different player. These guys are talking about him like his growth has kind of stunted and his path as a top 4 NHL d is uncertain. I would be absolutely stunned if he was anything other than a solid #3 d man at the very worst.

Imo it wasn't anything he did.
The team was winning and didn't need his offense, especially on the PP.

My guess is he was shutdown do to Barrie playing so well and the ED

 

[bone]

Imo it wasn't anything he did.
The team was winning and didn't need his offense, especially on the PP.

My guess is he was shutdown do to Barrie playing so well and the ED

Pretty much. He was shut down as our top 3 defensemen last year didn't miss a single game due to injury (2 of which on the right side), they were concerned about putting a rookie on his offside, and Bear was a little more experienced and an option on PK which they wanted as Barrie wasn't an option from the right side.

ED had nothing to with this as he wasn't eligible anyways.

 

[ManofSteel55]

So how much cap do we have left to give Yama?
We have already chomped into Klefbom's LTIR money using up 3.25M of $4.1.

Stalock + Turris + Russell waived to AHL will free up ~3M leaving us with a 22 man roster. Maybe Holland is looking to wait til Klefbom can be put on LTIR before signing Yama. We cannot get below the cap counting Klefbom's contract AND adding Yama's new deal.

We will bury Turris, Stalock and Lagesson (not Russell IMO), and probably Perlini, saving us 3.385M, so that brings us even with the cap without using LTIR. We can also still send down McLeod and Bouchard on paper transactions to get under the cap if we need to, although we would need to call them back up and use some of that Klefbom LTIR afterwards. So we have a little bit for Yamamoto. We can give him just under 1.7M without having to worry too much about going over the cap because of ELC send downs, but then will need to dip into LTIR to bring up McLeod, Bouchard, and Benson, if he makes the big club. After last year, I think he's worth about what we have available for him.