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[Oilhawks]

Keep down your tone, im not insulting you(if you arent related to Holland)

Cant you take another posters opinion, you have a ignore tool you can use instead, then you dont need to be upset!

And your opinion is the whole truth, you just defending something you dont know anything about either!

Im not happy with Hollands off season and im not alone!

Im just express how

Considering your tone comes across as 100% rage all of the time, it's a bit ironic to ask me to 'watch mine'

It's pretty understandable that you have some irrational emotional response to the way the off-season went, it would seem that perhaps you have personal reasons for such?

Also, I'm sure you can find detractors towards even the best GM moves from "league darling" GMs, so you stating that other people aren't happy with the offseason is just more subjective nonsense, we all know that many people aren't happy with this offseason. And despite not being related to Holland (I'd ask you to stop such a personal attack please), I overall like the offseason but am skeptical of some moves and lack of moves in other regards (primarily goaltending)

The people debating you are showing facts with stats as well as accounts from people connected to the situation. It's your choice to ignore these stats and first hand accounts but you should not expect to not get called out on such irrational behaviour.

 

[Oilhawks]

It's pretty amusing that some posters will complain about how Edmonton has problems attracting free agents and have trouble keeping certain players (ex Larsson), yet have tantrums when things don't go perfectly. And then they wonder why top free agents don't sign here for a discount. Maybe the online toxicity doesn't help?

 

[McClelland]

Considering your tone comes across as 100% rage all of the time, it's a bit ironic to ask me to 'watch mine'

It's pretty understandable that you have some irrational emotional response to the way the off-season went, it would seem that perhaps you have personal reasons for such?

Not more rage then 100 times in a Gtd! You should use the tool if you get upset for a opinion who upsets you so much!

Have asked for a real starter for years, we finally got some space and spend it on a 40 year D on his way down(but hes the best signing of them all)

Throwing away McD/ Drais window makes me upset, no need for a Hyman when we arent ready for a run looking at our goalies and so many ? on D coming season!

Followed the team 20+ years, 10 in here! Seen all Gms and Coaches got slaughtered, was happy when Holland came despite all the warnings from Wing fans.

Im think the guy is over the hill, he cant handle the cap era either!

 

[bobbythebrain]

A week isnt a long time! Should had signed him last season, if not, they trade him, now they lost him for nothing or kept a 4th liner(expansion

It seems they was so sure on Larsson signing that they was surprised by he leaving, could had put pressure long before that and solved it in a trade for a RhD.

They gave him an offer mid -season.

So who could the Oil replaced him with?

 

[scotchtapejr]

I am not worried. With climate change, Edmonton is destined to become an ocean-side tropical paradise in a few hundred years and the Oilers will be able attract the top free agents in the game at discounted rates.

 

[belair]

Not more rage then 100 times in a Gtd! You should use the tool if you get upset for a opinion who upsets you so much!

Have asked for a real starter for years, we finally got some space and spend it on a 40 year D on his way down(but hes the best signing of them all)

Throwing away McD/ Drais window makes me upset, no need for a Hyman when we arent ready for a run looking at our goalies and so many ? on D coming season!

Followed the team 20+ years, 10 in here! Seen all Gms and Coaches got slaughtered, was happy when Holland came despite all the warnings from Wing fans.

Im think the guy is over the hill, he cant handle the cap era either!

What's preventing Edmonton from going on 'a run' when the largest hurdle last season was their depth at forward? They've got the exact same tandem that led them to 2nd in the North last season despite a poor year from Koskinen and the limited depth up front.

Hyman wasn't my favorite target, but the logic is pretty easy to decipher. A minimal upgrade in net wasn't going to make much of a difference in the long run if they didn't address their depth at forward.

 

[bobbythebrain]

What's preventing Edmonton from going on 'a run' when the largest hurdle last season was their depth at forward? They've got the exact same tandem that led them to 2nd in the North last season despite a poor year from Koskinen and the limited depth up front.

Hyman wasn't my favorite target, but the logic is pretty easy to decipher. A minimal upgrade in net wasn't going to make much of a difference in the long run if they didn't address their depth at forward.

 

[McClelland]

They gave him an offer mid -season.

So who could the Oil replaced him with?

Yeaah , cant replace him when we going for a playoffspot, but when he didnt signed, they could prepare to trading for a D off season, waiting to last minute and sign a Ufa doesnt seems well thought.

What if Ceci had signed elsewhere, cant know his offers!

But 3.25m and some term took away the competition!

I know that many wanted a winger for McD, but my list was first a starting goalie, then a younger twoway stud D on the right side, no to Barrie and no no to Ceci at that cap and playing 2 pair in all situations.

Nurse is the only one who can take care of Ceci but he nurding Barrie, Dont think Keith is the guy anymore, and its a whole new pair for the teamplay, like Keith alot, but not at a 5.5 cap.

Goaltending wins cups, thats why i have been against spending to the roof when we havent a goalie, feels like throw away McD /Drai window even if the ? in the backend turns out well.

 

[SK13]

There are plenty of fair criticisms to levy at the Oilers and Ken Holland but most of what @McClelland is posting is pretty incoherent and all over the place. No sane GM looks at their team that's well on track for home-ice advantage in the playoffs and trades their only second pairing defenseman to recoup, what, a second-round pick and a prospect?

Especially when that player has given you every indication he's willing to re-sign.

 

[McClelland]

What's preventing Edmonton from going on 'a run' when the largest hurdle last season was their depth at forward? They've got the exact same tandem that led them to 2nd in the North last season despite a poor year from Koskinen and the limited depth up front.

Hyman wasn't my favorite target, but the logic is pretty easy to decipher. A minimal upgrade in net wasn't going to make much of a difference in the long run if they didn't address their depth at forward.

Sure we can go on a run, but thats not likely, then need every ? turns out great and Smith/Koski being vezina like and Bouchard have a break out season.

Covid seasons and and a bad division, i dont take that as a sign for greatness, we got swept by Pegs, a poor hawks the year before.

Feels like luck with the ? determ our season!

Just sad that we couldnt do better when Holland wasnt handcuffed.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Not more rage then 100 times in a Gtd! You should use the tool if you get upset for a opinion who upsets you so much!

Have asked for a real starter for years, we finally got some space and spend it on a 40 year D on his way down(but hes the best signing of them all)

Throwing away McD/ Drais window makes me upset, no need for a Hyman when we arent ready for a run looking at our goalies and so many ? on D coming season!

Followed the team 20+ years, 10 in here! Seen all Gms and Coaches got slaughtered, was happy when Holland came despite all the warnings from Wing fans.

Im think the guy is over the hill, he cant handle the cap era either!

So you're upset that were "wasting" mcdavids window, but you're also upset when Holland tries to improve the forward depth with players like Hyman and Foegele.

So what you're saying is you're gonna be upset and angry no matter what.

 

[SK13]

Sure we can go on a run, but thats not likely, then need every ? turns out great and Smith/Koski being vezina like and Bouchard have a break out season.

Covid seasons and and a bad division, i dont take that as a sign for greatness, we got swept by Pegs, a poor hawks the year before.

Feels like luck with the ? determ our season!

Just sad that we couldnt do better when Holland wasnt handcuffed.

The "season" isn't really in doubt. The Pacific division sucks worse than the North division did. You have an expansion team, the worst team in the conference, and five other teams who may not compete for a playoff spot into spring in any other division. The Knights are #1 and the Oilers are #2 and, barring critical injuries, that seems fait accompli regardless of what happens with questionable goaltending and defense.

Regardless, I firmly believe forward was the Oilers biggest problem area. In particular their league-worst bottom-six and poor second line wingers. They're maybe the best PP team ever & are murderers row on the rush but are weak on the cycle and useless around the net. Hyman, Foegele and Ryan are important changes for the team. A team that, had they been only .5 GPG better in the playoffs, would have come back to Edmonton with a 2-2 series tie.

As for the goaltending, it's not as though there isn't a desire to fix it. If Grubauer stays in Colorado, Darcy Kuemper is probably an Oiler. Just knowing that Holland was willing to trade a first-round pick, something he is otherwise LOATHE to do, should communicate to you that this will eventually be addressed via trade. In the mean time, goaltending has NOT been a major issue for the Oilers during the Tippett era and you hope that doesn't blow up in their face just yet.

 

[belair]

Sure we can go on a run, but thats not likely, then need every ? turns out great and Smith/Koski being vezina like and Bouchard have a break out season.

Covid seasons and and a bad division, i dont take that as a sign for greatness, we got swept by Pegs, a poor hawks the year before.

Feels like luck with the ? determ our season!

Just sad that we couldnt do better when Holland wasnt handcuffed.

We got swept by Winnipeg because we couldn't score any goals when we needed them. Three one goal games decided in OT.

You're also speaking as if we aren't returning to a 'bad division'.

Fact of the matter is that the Oilers were already an offensive power in terms of goal production and now their depth is improved beyond the top two lines. They didn't step back on D, in goal or did they give up futures in the off-season. They spent money, that's it.

 

[McClelland]

So you're upset that were "wasting" mcdavids window, but you're also upset when Holland tries to improve the forward depth with players like Hyman and Foegele.

So what you're saying is you're gonna be upset and angry no matter what.

You again, seems that you dont reading what posting or dont understand!

Its a waste to spend to the roof when we havent a goalie and a questionable RhD side.

Had started with that before adding a longterm W with a 5.5m cap!

How far we will go this year? Whats your expectation, when we have spended to the roof?

2 round ? Conference final ? Just curious?

My is, if lucky 2 round!

 

[McClelland]

The "season" isn't really in doubt. The Pacific division sucks worse than the North division did. You have an expansion team, the worst team in the conference, and five other teams who may not compete for a playoff spot into spring in any other division. The Knights are #1 and the Oilers are #2 and, barring critical injuries, that seems fait accompli regardless of what happens with questionable goaltending and defense.

Regardless, I firmly believe forward was the Oilers biggest problem area. In particular their league-worst bottom-six and poor second line wingers. They're maybe the best PP team ever & are murderers row on the rush but are weak on the cycle and useless around the net. Hyman, Foegele and Ryan are important changes for the team. A team that, had they been only .5 GPG better in the playoffs, would have come back to Edmonton with a 2-2 series tie.

As for the goaltending, it's not as though there isn't a desire to fix it. If Grubauer stays in Colorado, Darcy Kuemper is probably an Oiler. Just knowing that Holland was willing to trade a first-round pick, something he is otherwise LOATHE to do, should communicate to you that this will eventually be addressed via trade. In the mean time, goaltending has NOT been a major issue for the Oilers during the Tippett era and you hope that doesn't blow up in their face just yet.

Lots of good thoughts! I dont think the division is so bad

Flames can bounce back, Marky showed in Vancouver that he could win games by him self!

Nucks is much improved and with Their star C back from injurys.

La showed glimts of future last season, also much improved and 1 year older youngsters.

Vegas a clear no 1!

Dont think Seattle will be a punchbag, will be hard to play against, Fw doesnt look elite though.

Im not happy with a 2 round exit when spending to the roof, had higher hopes on the off season.

We got swept by Winnipeg because we couldn't score any goals when we needed them. Three one goal games decided in OT.

You're also speaking as if we aren't returning to a 'bad division'.

Fact of the matter is that the Oilers were already an offensive power in terms of goal production and now their depth is improved beyond the top two lines. They didn't step back on D, in goal or did they give up futures in the off-season. They spent money, that's it.

I had higher hopes on the off season, thought that we could improve very much! To many ? Not fun going into a season with a big stomack pain.

What is Holland doing if it goes south?

Throw away top prospects and picks to save the season!

We have a normal season i assume with games against the better teams in Nhl, will be a good indication!

 

[Paralyzer]

Yeaah , cant replace him when we going for a playoffspot, but when he didnt signed, they could prepare to trading for a D off season, waiting to last minute and sign a Ufa doesnt seems well thought.

What if Ceci had signed elsewhere, cant know his offers!

But 3.25m and some term took away the competition!

I know that many wanted a winger for McD, but my list was first a starting goalie, then a younger twoway stud D on the right side, no to Barrie and no no to Ceci at that cap and playing 2 pair in all situations.

Nurse is the only one who can take care of Ceci but he nurding Barrie, Dont think Keith is the guy anymore, and its a whole new pair for the teamplay, like Keith alot, but not at a 5.5 cap.

Goaltending wins cups, thats why i have been against spending to the roof when we havent a goalie, feels like throw away McD /Drai window even if the ? in the backend turns out well.

So tell me, which Goalie in the FA market would have won us a cup this year? You tell me. You seem to know EXACTLY which Goalie would win us a Cup this year. I'll even help you with the answer. NONE. There was not ONE clear winning goalie this off-season that could win us a cup. The only goalie that COULD be available that is a sure-fire winner, is Gibson, and we aren't gonna be paying through our noses to get him here, unless we can find a reasonable offer for him. I agree with Oilhawks, you need to calm down and relax. Or find another team to cheer for if it makes you this irate.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

You again, seems that you dont reading what posting or dont understand!

Its a waste to spend to the roof when we havent a goalie and a questionable RhD side.

Had started with that before adding a longterm W with a 5.5m cap!

How far we will go this year? Whats your expectation, when we have spended to the roof?

2 round ? Conference final ? Just curious?

My is, if lucky 2 round!

I understand your stance just fine.

And it seems like im not the only one who understands your stance of continuing to be angry no matter what.

 

[Cloned]

The Oilers cross-seam is McDavid to Draisaitl from left to right. From right to left, Draisaitl cycles into the bumper and McDavid will occasionally walk right down the middle of the slot. RNH is actually a pretty consistent scorer on the PP from right to left as well.

They're the best PP in the NHL by a lot. In the conversation for best ever. So I doubt they will mess with it that much.

They should sign Sean Whyte for the PP.

 

[SK13]

They should sign Sean Whyte for the PP.

It's the definite key to getting over 30%

 

[Cloned]

It's the definite key to getting over 30%

30%? Pfft, Whyte is used to getting over 80%.

 

[McClelland]

I understand your stance just fine.

And it seems like im not the only one who understands your stance of continuing to be angry no matter what.

Im not going after the poster and insulting posters for a opinion which you done before!

So tell me, which Goalie in the FA market would have won us a cup this year? You tell me. You seem to know EXACTLY which Goalie would win us a Cup this year. I'll even help you with the answer. NONE. There was not ONE clear winning goalie this off-season that could win us a cup. The only goalie that COULD be available that is a sure-fire winner, is Gibson, and we aren't gonna be paying through our noses to get him here, unless we can find a reasonable offer for him. I agree with Oilhawks, you need to calm down and relax. Or find another team to cheer for if it makes you this irate.

You can skip the last part, its not a voting decision, you cant love them all

You can use the ignore bottom, im not going anywhere and im not buying everything the org sells to me, that has the last decade tought me!

Well we were after Marky last season, and heard also buzz about Lehner!

Has been on Gibson for some time, hes cap is a problem!

You dont need to win a cup, just have a chance is enough for me!

Holland gambling on Smith because of a good regular last season, thats scaring in my mind!

 

[Stoneman89]

30%? Pfft, Whyte is used to getting over 80%.

People on the football thread still bitch about him not being able to kick the 50 plus yarders consistently.

 

[bobbythebrain]

You can skip the last part, its not a voting decision, you cant love them all

You can use the ignore bottom, im not going anywhere and im not buying everything the org sells to me, that has the last decade tought me!

Well we were after Marky last season, and heard also buzz about Lehner!

Has been on Gibson for some time, hes cap is a problem!

You dont need to win a cup, just have a chance is enough for me!

Holland gambling on Smith because of a good regular last season, thats scaring in my mind!

 

[Cloned]

People on the football thread still bitch about him not being able to kick the 50 plus yarders consistently.

Most CFL kickers have trouble kicking 50+ yard FGs consistently anyway, so he's not alone there.

 

[McClelland]

You are real funny, is it a highschool heritage, mocking people!

Why else bother, you have a tool you can use!