Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Pre season edition

[belair]

Yzerman is stepping aside currently. Might be ideal to court him.

He's staying on as an advisor. Brisebois was being courted by other teams.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Is there an Oiler trade imminent?

With Chiarelli bringing in Upshall and Chiasson for a look this camp does this mean Kassian, a $1.95 million dollar cap hit on the fourth line, expendable?

Does the lag in the Nurse signing mean anything?

There are rumors something is brewing... Kurt Leavins on the Cult of Hockey has been speculating for a while about this kind of move. LHD + Kassian + Cags for a RHD?

depends who you want to believe

Personally--I think our current depth chart on the wing we are needing something

Top line maybe Nuge-McDavid-Pizza Boy
Second Line- Lucic-Leon D-Reider


the fun starts with the third and fourth line

We pretty much only know 2 things

3C-Strome
4C-Brodziuk

where all the other wingers fall into place is where the fun begins

my guess for the 4th line will be Upshall-Broadziuk-Kassian

that leaves fighting it out for the 3rd line

Caggs, Rattie, Adberg and Khaira

Khaira brings more toughness to the game---that leaves 3 fighting it out for the last spot

I know Rattie had a good run late in the season--but like most I see him as a inbetweener who could slide up and down the roster or not be there--like Adberg and then you have the whipping boy Caggs

If Chaisson can get back to the form he had with the flames 2 years ago a third line of him-Strome-Khaira could be interesting

 

[joestevens29]

my problem with a GM like Chia is he overpays guys like Strome and Russell, then say trades a heart and soul type player like Kassian bcz of salary issues. 500,00 here and there makes a big difference. He is not good at managing a proper salary structure.

Kassian isn't a heart and soul player. First time I've ever heard him referred as that

If I was Katz, I'd throw a truck full of money at Yzermans way. If you could pry him out of his advisory role in Tampa, you do it, and you'd do it soon.

Yzerman would transform this franchise into what it's supposed to be with connor.

I don't want to speculate, but you have to think he's stepping aside due to something that is causing him not to have time. That and Yzerman has made a ton of money. Not your typical GM that needs money

 

[frag2]

Stevie why?

Maybe Melnyk convinced him with a brinks truck and a free liver

 

[StevenF1919]

Brisebois, Dubas, and Fenton were the three guys I wanted to replace Chia and they were all snapped up. Now we'll be stuck with Keith Gretzky for 3 years

 

[Little Fury]

I mean adding Faulk and Nylander would be great..

But those trade proposals are so bad I just.. Why even bother?

Thanks for the constructive feedback I guess.

my problem with a GM like Chia is he overpays guys like Strome and Russell, then say trades a heart and soul type player like Kassian bcz of salary issues. 500,00 here and there makes a big difference. He is not good at managing a proper salary structure.

I mean, Zack was an overpay himself.

 

[Little Fury]

He's staying on as an advisor. Brisebois was being courted by other teams.

Brisebois was #1 on my list to replace Chia, so this is too bad.

 

[McFlash97]

Kassian isn't a heart and soul player. First time I've ever heard him referred as that

I don't want to speculate, but you have to think he's stepping aside due to something that is causing him not to have time. That and Yzerman has made a ton of money. Not your typical GM that needs money

What I mean to say is He is still more valuable to us then level 60 IQ hockey intelligence Strome with little to no skill playing a key role as a 3rd line center. Kassian or Strome to go into battle with in the playoffs ....... ? Kassian when he is on is intense, dialed in . Strome is the antithesis of this personality.

 

[Jumptheshark]

So who will be the poster who starts the thread "Yserman to the Oilers"?

 

[StevenF1919]

What I mean to say is He is still more valuable to us then level 60 IQ hockey intelligence Strome with little to no skill playing a key role as a 3rd line center. Kassian or Strome to go into battle with in the playoffs ....... ? Kassian when he is on is intense, dialed in . Strome is the antithesis of this personality.

Kassian was one of the worst players on the team last year and is barely (if at all) better than your average replacement-level player. He gets outscored, outshot, and takes more penalties than he draws. He's useless.

I don't like Strome either but Strome is a decent enough 3rd liner, Kassian is barely good enough to be a 13th forward.

 

[Little Fury]

What I mean to say is He is still more valuable to us then level 60 IQ hockey intelligence Strome with little to no skill playing a key role as a 3rd line center. Kassian or Strome to go into battle with in the playoffs ....... ? Kassian when he is on is intense, dialed in . Strome is the antithesis of this personality.

I'm no Strome fan, but he's legitimately a better player than Kassian.

 

[McFlash97]

I'm no Strome fan, but he's legitimately a better player than Kassian.

So playoffs come up, someone like Brodziak has firmly grasped the 3rd line center role, Strome has been supplanted, would you rather have Strome heading into the playoffs with or Kassian. Bigger,faster , stronger, more intense, willing to do whatever it takes as we have seen before. Im just saying. I have no faith in Strome, if he proves me wrong great , but I just don't see it with him. Very meh type of individual.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I wonder when Stevie Y heads back to Detroit

 

[StevenF1919]

I wonder when Stevie Y heads back to Detroit

Didn't they just extend Holland for 2 years?

Something is weird about this. I'm not sure that Yzerman stepped down for a position elsewhere given the timing.

 

[Little Fury]

So playoffs come up, someone like Brodziak has firmly grasped the 3rd line center role, Strome has been supplanted, would you rather have Strome heading into the playoffs with or Kassian. Bigger,faster , stronger, more intense, willing to do whatever it takes as we have seen before. Im just saying. I have no faith in Strome, if he proves me wrong great , but I just don't see it with him. Very meh type of individual.

Again, I'm no Strome fan, he's as vanilla as can be. But vanilla Strome is better than Kassian especially given Zack's tendency to completely vanish for extended periods of time. I don't care how much intensity you bring to the table if you can't be counted on to do so.

 

[A91]

Yzerman stepping down is the biggest WTF of this offseason.

He built one hell of a team in Tampa

 

[booyakasha]

I wonder when Stevie Y heads back to Detroit

There won't be a lack of suitors that's for sure.
DET,MON,EDM to name a few

 

[Stud Muffin]

Back to Detroit? Edmonton is a pretty high profile job, I could see it happening if Chiarelli is fired, he had a strong relationship with Nicholson. Also dosen’t hurt to go to the team with the best player in the world.

 

[belair]

Yzerman stepping down is the biggest WTF of this offseason.

He built one hell of a team in Tampa

He's going to sit back and collect the rest of his salary as a senior advisor. GM is a stressful position.

 

[StevenF1919]

Again, I'm no Strome fan, he's as vanilla as can be. But vanilla Strome is better than Kassian especially given Zack's tendency to completely vanish for extended periods of time. I don't care how much intensity you bring to the table if you can't be counted on to do so.

People are still enamored with Kassian over that one playoff game against the Sharks. He's probably been the worst regular player on the team since then but it doesn't matter because he's tough and plastered a couple guys once two years ago.

 

[Little Fury]

People are still enamored with Kassian over that one playoff game against the Sharks. He's probably been the worst regular player on the team since then but it doesn't matter because he's tough and plastered a couple guys once two years ago.

He was a solid fourth liner in 16-17 when it seemed like this was his last chance at a career. Then he cashed in and got some security and his give a s**t level dropped to zero when he's just not good enough to coast.

 

[StevenF1919]

He was a solid fourth liner in 16-17 when it seemed like this was his last chance at a career. Then he cashed in and got some security and his give a s**t level dropped to zero when he's just not good enough to coast.

Yup. There are league players available for league minimum that would perform just as well as him but take less penalties.

 

[McFlash97]

Again, I'm no Strome fan, he's as vanilla as can be. But vanilla Strome is better than Kassian especially given Zack's tendency to completely vanish for extended periods of time. I don't care how much intensity you bring to the table if you can't be counted on to do so.

So your telling me Strome doesn't ? lets call spade a spade. Strome tends to vanish for extended periods of time too playing higher up in the lineup with better players. for me ..Playoff Kassian definitely can be different as we have seen. Hes been through the trenches in Windsor, he seems to know when to raise the intensity when it counts in April and May, but can we hope to get the same type of game from Strome ? Don't see it. Not the type of player you go to war with. He might pop in a few here and there, and people start hyping him up like hes the missing link on the third line. Brodziak supplants him on the third line within a month. Book it.

 

[A91]

He's going to sit back and collect the rest of his salary as a senior advisor. GM is a stressful position.

Thats the obvious conclusion, that it is too stressful/time consuming especially for someone who had a long career like he has.
But why now? When his team is poised for a cup. If I did all that work in building up a team I would want to see the job through as the GM. I'm sure at his new role he will still be an important piece but its just weird for him to step down now.

 

[Little Fury]

So your telling me Strome doesn't ? lets call spade a spade. Strome tends to vanish for extended periods of time too playing higher up in the lineup with better players. for me ..Playoff Kassian definitely can be different as we have seen. Hes been through the trenches in Windsor, he seems to know when to raise the intensity when it counts in April and May, but can we hope to get the same type of game from Strome ? Don't see it. Not the type of player you go to war with. He might pop in a few here and there, and people start hyping him up like hes the missing link on the third line. Brodziak supplants him on the third line within a month. Book it.

I don't believe in keeping ineffective and overpaid players who are a liability on the ice over the course of a long season on the off chance they get their s**t together in the playoffs. That's a good way to not make the playoffs in the first place.

As for Strome, whether he's a 3C or 4C...he's still better than Kassian.