Proposal: Rumors and Proposals Thread: Chia's Quest For D and WINNING!

[frag2]

Anyone else catch Eberle's post game last night. I'm excited.. hopefully.. for the new building. I wonder if Chiarelli has been honest with him that he could be traded.

What did he say?

 

[suddeninterest]

Any deal that involves kelfbom or Davidson would have to include a bonified #1 dman, otherwise it is a net zero effect on this team imo so I would be totally against trading kelfbom in that deal.

However, I disagree with a couple things you said, Hamonic is the better player right now and has proved that long term as opposed to s very short series of games that Klefbom has displayed.

Hamonic has the better contract.

I dunno I mean you could argue that 7 years of Klefbom at 4.17 is better than 4 of Hamonic at 3.9 when Klef has a higher ceiling (especially offensively). Only 300k in the difference. Plus you know you have him for 7 years instead of 4 with Hamonic, because who knows what Hamonic is gonna do when his contract is up, I'd guess go to Winnipeg. Plus I doubt he signs for less than 4M AAV again if he hits FA/needs to be resigned. Even if Klef continues his play at the level he was before he went down and doesn't improve I think I'd rather his contract.

 

[grindline]

Columbus fan here.

If Dreger is to be believed (which I'm sure you will say is a mistake) then Taylor Hall is going to be your 2nd line centre and Leon Draisatl gets shifted to the wing. I'm trying to gauge interest in a trade for him with the Columbus pick.

Assuming Columbus doesn't win the lottery what is the perceived value for Draisatl versus 2nd overall or 3rd etc?

In my head a straight swap for 3rd overall, add a lower Edmonton pick for the 2nd overall and Columbus adds a small plus with 4th overall.

Would any of you guys trade him for a lower pick if the plus was bigger and you could draft Chychrun or Juolevi?

Oh and don't ask for any of our blue chip youth; this is only an exercise in acquiring Draisatl for a pick with minor adjustments either side as required.

 

[Arpeggio]

Columbus fan here.

If Dreger is to be believed (which I'm sure you will say is a mistake) then Taylor Hall is going to be your 2nd line centre and Leon Draisatl gets shifted to the wing. I'm trying to gauge interest in a trade for him with the Columbus pick.

Assuming Columbus doesn't win the lottery what is the perceived value for Draisatl versus 2nd overall or 3rd etc?

In my head a straight swap for 3rd overall, add a lower Edmonton pick for the 2nd overall and Columbus adds a small plus with 4th overall.

Would any of you guys trade him for a lower pick if the plus was bigger and you could draft Chychrun or Juolevi?

Oh and don't ask for any of our blue chip youth; this is only an exercise in acquiring Draisatl for a pick with minor adjustments either side as required.

Well Hall isn't moving to center, and there's no point in moving Draisaitl for another young player. So I guess I would do Draisaitl for 2nd overall, but I wouldn't do it for 3rd or lower.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Columbus fan here.

If Dreger is to be believed (which I'm sure you will say is a mistake) then Taylor Hall is going to be your 2nd line centre and Leon Draisatl gets shifted to the wing. I'm trying to gauge interest in a trade for him with the Columbus pick.

Assuming Columbus doesn't win the lottery what is the perceived value for Draisatl versus 2nd overall or 3rd etc?

In my head a straight swap for 3rd overall, add a lower Edmonton pick for the 2nd overall and Columbus adds a small plus with 4th overall.

Would any of you guys trade him for a lower pick if the plus was bigger and you could draft Chychrun or Juolevi?

Oh and don't ask for any of our blue chip youth; this is only an exercise in acquiring Draisatl for a pick with minor adjustments either side as required.

I think you meant Nugent-Hopkins, which is a reasonable-ish mistake. No, the Oilers aren't looking to move Draisaitl for a pick. Even a high pick won't be what they want, they are also very high on the player himself.

Honestly, I would expect the Oilers to have McDavid and Draisaitl as their #1 and #2 centers respectively.

 

[oXo Cube]

Columbus fan here.

If Dreger is to be believed (which I'm sure you will say is a mistake) then Taylor Hall is going to be your 2nd line centre and Leon Draisatl gets shifted to the wing. I'm trying to gauge interest in a trade for him with the Columbus pick.

Assuming Columbus doesn't win the lottery what is the perceived value for Draisatl versus 2nd overall or 3rd etc?

In my head a straight swap for 3rd overall, add a lower Edmonton pick for the 2nd overall and Columbus adds a small plus with 4th overall.

Would any of you guys trade him for a lower pick if the plus was bigger and you could draft Chychrun or Juolevi?

Oh and don't ask for any of our blue chip youth; this is only an exercise in acquiring Draisatl for a pick with minor adjustments either side as required.

Pretty sure your pick can't step right in and play on the right side of a top defense pair next season.

So no.

Also we tried Taylor Hall at center and I can promise you he will never play center in the NHL again. I think you meant RNH.

 

[McJadeddog]

Any deal that involves kelfbom or Davidson would have to include a bonified #1 dman, otherwise it is a net zero effect on this team imo so I would be totally against trading kelfbom in that deal.

However, I disagree with a couple things you said, Hamonic is the better player right now and has proved that long term as opposed to s very short series of games that Klefbom has displayed.

Hamonic has the better contract.

the "who is better" is pretty subjective, so fair enough if that is your assessment

the contract though is much less subjective.... klefbom is 7 more years at 4.167 and hamonic is 4 more years at 3.857... so the cap hit difference is essentially non-existent, but klef is signed for 3 more years (until he is 29 years old).... i really don't know how having an asset locked up for almost twice as long, during what should be the best years of his career, is somehow worse?

 

[Jet Walters]

Say Edmonton ends up with the 3rd pick and CBJ have the 6th.

Would anyone be open to trading down and picking up one of their solid two way forwards like Dubinsky or Foligno and still grabbing a Jolevi/Dubois level prospect?

Even a bigger deal sending them RNH, 3rd, Korpi, Fayne for 6th, Dubinsky, Foligno. I know those two are probably not leaving the Jacket's as they are part of their leadership core, but they would be a perfect compliment to our skill.

 

[suddeninterest]

Yeah I'd say the only deal involving Drai and CBJ would have to include Jones coming back which puts CBJ back to where they started basically. In terms of pure value, 2nd overall (Laine) might be fair, but Drai is a more known quantity plus plays centre so no real reason for Edm to do that.

 

[bucks_oil]

Columbus fan here.

If Dreger is to be believed (which I'm sure you will say is a mistake) then Taylor Hall is going to be your 2nd line centre and Leon Draisatl gets shifted to the wing. I'm trying to gauge interest in a trade for him with the Columbus pick.

Assuming Columbus doesn't win the lottery what is the perceived value for Draisatl versus 2nd overall or 3rd etc?

In my head a straight swap for 3rd overall, add a lower Edmonton pick for the 2nd overall and Columbus adds a small plus with 4th overall.

Would any of you guys trade him for a lower pick if the plus was bigger and you could draft Chychrun or Juolevi?

Oh and don't ask for any of our blue chip youth; this is only an exercise in acquiring Draisatl for a pick with minor adjustments either side as required.

Draisaitl was 4th in a draft that was 4 deep, he'd likely have beeen third or 4th in this draft (before showing his chops at the NHL level). He's just had a breakout year as a sophomore and is a big, skilled, center who is strong defensively and on the draw. This has greatly reduced the "development risk" that applies to ANY prospect. Edmonton is deep on Wing and deep on LD. On the basis of the foregoing, how are the following at all plausible:

1) Taylor Hall moves to C after not playing it regularly since junior?
2) We trade an emerging star/franchise C for a 2nd/3rd potential star winger?
3) We trade an emerging star/franchise C for a LD prospect?

 

[OILSLICK94]

If not Backes, I hope we do go after a real 3C that embodies the checking line role. If we put RNH or Draisaitl there, they will languish there with few points. RNH probably gets injured there. I don't want Letestu or Lander there either.

But as someone in favour of adding Backes, I will just say that the Blues are the best team in the west and Backes is a big reason for that. He's their workhorse center. Leads in TOI and faceoffs, and is a physical presence that takes tough assignments. There's a good chance a couple expensive forwards are leaving this offseason anyway, so we're probably going to have the cap space

Sign me up for the Backes train game. Team needs a "BIG" veteran center to handle other teams top guys and dude is a force on the PP in front of the net. Letestu is a 4th line tween-er that can move up the depth charts for a couple of games max. The Oilers need more "MEAN" character players in there lineup, Kassian and Maroon are a start. That way RNH becomes expendable not that I hate RNH in any way, BUT someone has to go for a D man.

Maroon McDavid Eberle
Hall Matthews Draisaitl (kidding kidding, who says the Oil will win another lottery )
Pouliot Backes Kassian
Hendricks Letestu Korpikoski
EX. Lander/Pakarinen

Klefbom "RNH TRADE"
Nurse Sekera
Davidson Fayne
EX. Resign Gryba (Ideally Davidson and/or Gryba are here, and they add another bottom 4 D thru FA)

Talbot
Brossiot (might need another 1 year stop gap Backup)

-RNH used as centerpiece for the top flight D, not that I hate RNH but.....
-Yakupov moved for someone else's prospect D? or use Yak as a sweetener on a deal, face it the value is LOW
-Reinhart used as a sweetener in a large deal? with RNH
-Try and move Fayne in the offseason, tough sledding with that tho

 

[suddeninterest]

Say Edmonton ends up with the 3rd pick and CBJ have the 6th.

Would anyone be open to trading down and picking up one of their solid two way forwards like Dubinsky or Foligno and still grabbing a Jolevi/Dubois level prospect?

Even a bigger deal sending them RNH, 3rd, Korpi, Fayne for 6th, Dubinsky, Foligno. I know those two are probably not leaving the Jacket's as they are part of their leadership core, but they would be a perfect compliment to our skill.

I'd be willing to move 3rd down to 4th because I'd rather Chychrun than Puljujarvi, but I doubt he's there at 6 so probably not. Not sure what the plus would be for moving down 1 spot. And I'd rather Jenner from CBJ in any of those scenarios but I also doubt that happens.

 

[doubledown99]

I remember reading reports earlier in the year that Backes wanted over $6 mil per year on long term deal from STL. The reports said that he signed a team friendly contract last time (@ $4.5) and wanted to be compensated this time. So for him to the come here he'd want at least that if not more. Do you really want to pay him that much to eventually be our 3rd line C?

I also think some of you are living in fantasy world when you say "lets sign Lucic, Backes, Okposo, or Eriksson". Why would any of them come to the team that has lost the most over the last decade? The travel is the 2nd worst in the league (which is super hard on there bodies). The weather is one of the worst in the NHL. What incentive is there to sign here?

And if I was them I would look at the players that have signed here and how bad things have worked out for those players and there is no way I'm signing in EDM unless it's an extreme overpay. EDM is getting the reputation of "that's where careers go to die".

 

[molsonmuscle360]

I am really starting to think Yak just may be back next season depending on how things pan out. If Chia doesn't get what he sees as an acceptable offer and does get trades for 2 of RNH/Hall/Eberle, they might just keep him around based on the last 15 games of the season. He's been very effective, especially for a 2.5 million dollar player.

 

[Jet Walters]

I am really starting to think Yak just may be back next season depending on how things pan out. If Chia doesn't get what he sees as an acceptable offer and does get trades for 2 of RNH/Hall/Eberle, they might just keep him around based on the last 15 games of the season. He's been very effective, especially for a 2.5 million dollar player.

Doubtful. Last night was a microcosm of Yak's tenure in Edmonton. Sure he scored a goal, but he also had multiple turnovers that gave the Canucks a few point blank chances.

 

[Birdperson]

Draisaitl being moved for a draft pick is as likely as Kevin Lowe not working for the Oilers.

 

[grindline]

Thanks for the response. I misread Dreger and assumed he was going back to centre which was my mistake.

Bucks oil makes some very valid points so I suppose moving Draisatl is unlikely.

 

[alphahelix]

I'd be willing to move 3rd down to 4th because I'd rather Chychrun than Puljujarvi, but I doubt he's there at 6 so probably not. Not sure what the plus would be for moving down 1 spot. And I'd rather Jenner from CBJ in any of those scenarios but I also doubt that happens.

They are both kind of slipping in some scouts perception vs. Pierre Luc-Dubois and in some cases even Matthew Tkachuk... If you want Chychrun you might be able to drop down to like 10th and still get him. There are some teams that would take Sergachev or Juolevi over him.

 

[Zaddy]

I am really starting to think Yak just may be back next season depending on how things pan out. If Chia doesn't get what he sees as an acceptable offer and does get trades for 2 of RNH/Hall/Eberle, they might just keep him around based on the last 15 games of the season. He's been very effective, especially for a 2.5 million dollar player.

I just wanna fast-forward 2-3 months and see what happens.

 

[Zaddy]

They are both kind of slipping in some scouts perception vs. Pierre Luc-Dubois and in some cases even Matthew Tkachuk... If you want Chychrun you might be able to drop down to like 10th and still get him. There are some teams that would take Sergachev or Juolevi over him.

At the end of the day I don't think Chychrun is going to drop very far, if at all. There's just some vocal guys in the media and outside scouts that have him falling. For all we know NHL teams are still very high on him. I even think Brock Otten said as much. Not to mention he has picked up his play significantly in the last 2 months or so. I'd be surprised if he is not a top5 pick at the end of the day.

 

[alphahelix]

At the end of the day I don't think Chychrun is going to drop very far, if at all. There's just some vocal guys in the media and outside scouts that have him falling. For all we know NHL teams are still very high on him. I even think Brock Otten said as much. Not to mention he has picked up his play significantly in the last 2 months or so. I'd be surprised if he is not a top5 pick at the end of the day.

You're probably right, but it just depends on whoever it is that winds up holding those picks I think. He could very easily slip to 6-7 if we get teams that are hot on forwards. Dubois, for one, is going to be drafted very high indeed.

If someone in those slots wants a D-man you'd have to think his chances are quite good - but there is still that outside possibility that they take Juolevi.

 

[oilinblood]

I remember reading reports earlier in the year that Backes wanted over $6 mil per year on long term deal from STL. The reports said that he signed a team friendly contract last time (@ $4.5) and wanted to be compensated this time. So for him to the come here he'd want at least that if not more. Do you really want to pay him that much to eventually be our 3rd line C?

I also think some of you are living in fantasy world when you say "lets sign Lucic, Backes, Okposo, or Eriksson". Why would any of them come to the team that has lost the most over the last decade? The travel is the 2nd worst in the league (which is super hard on there bodies). The weather is one of the worst in the NHL. What incentive is there to sign here?

And if I was them I would look at the players that have signed here and how bad things have worked out for those players and there is no way I'm signing in EDM unless it's an extreme overpay. EDM is getting the reputation of "that's where careers go to die".

I think you can get Lucic...and not do a significant overpay. The others wont come here period. With Marroon, Pou, Ebs, Yak, Hall, and more free agency. You only really need a Lucic signing to finish a reshaping of the top end of your forward corps.

 

[oilinblood]

Draisaitl was 4th in a draft that was 4 deep, he'd likely have beeen third or 4th in this draft (before showing his chops at the NHL level). He's just had a breakout year as a sophomore and is a big, skilled, center who is strong defensively and on the draw. This has greatly reduced the "development risk" that applies to ANY prospect. Edmonton is deep on Wing and deep on LD. On the basis of the foregoing, how are the following at all plausible:

1) Taylor Hall moves to C after not playing it regularly since junior?
2) We trade an emerging star/franchise C for a 2nd/3rd potential star winger?
3) We trade an emerging star/franchise C for a LD prospect?

Drais, right now (and in my opinion ALWAYS WAS) untouchable. He is in his second year from draft and has proven himself able to play pivot in the NHL at a top line role. He stood tall when McD went down. He can cycle or play on the rush


Fact is big bodied skilled centres DO NOT get moved. They are essential assets to any championship team and teams that have them do not part with them willingly (unless their GM wants to set his own franchise back a decade and get firedd)

 

[Aceboogie]

I am really starting to think Yak just may be back next season depending on how things pan out. If Chia doesn't get what he sees as an acceptable offer and does get trades for 2 of RNH/Hall/Eberle, they might just keep him around based on the last 15 games of the season. He's been very effective, especially for a 2.5 million dollar player.

Yup, guy is relentless on forcheck. If you could turn him in a Marchand type player (Marchand before this year) that a big win.

I think hes learning to accept his role as that pest who has to go 100% at all times. Its a big change from being that go to goal scorer that can do whatever they want

Id love for Yak to be back next year if we could return a Vatenan type guy for Yak + picks.

Hed be a good 3rd line player that can forecheck and get the puck back, plus hes got a tremendous shot and would come super cheap.

 

[Aceboogie]

What about this scenerio.

Edmontons wins the 3rd overall pick, Puljujarvi is still on the board. Chiarelli goes to Carolina and offers them a deal around 3rd overall for Faulk.

Reason Carolina does it: Unite Puljujarvi and Aho who play on same FEL team and dominated WJCs together. After Staal left they are weak on forwards. They build a strong top 6. They lose Faulk but have Hanifin and Fluery on the back end. Plus could get a good D at 10 this year

Reason Edmonton does it: Simple, Faulk is a young top pairing RHD on a discount deal

Bonus: trade Eberle for Hamonic

Klefbom-Faulk
Sekera-Hamonic
Nurse-Davidson